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ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
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Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
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Gurbani (323-330)
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Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
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Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
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Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="Harjas Kaur Khalsa" data-source="post: 84563" data-attributes="member: 2125"><p>You are misunderstanding the nature of an avataar. Everything is <em>ultimately</em> Him. But in manifestation, we are individual jivs. Avataaras are sargun saroop of the nirguna. Not all avataaras are complete and shine the same degree of Jyot. But all avataaras are incarnations of the One Uncreated. While we may say every being is the One Divine Beloved, this is correct in a certain sense. But also, a chela is not equal to his Guru, until he becomes enlightened. The sargun saroop are enlightened Guru's who guide the world of darkness back to light.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Because Gurbani says that He incarnates. Why is Gurbani using this term,<span style="color: Blue"><strong> ਅਵਤਾਰੁ </strong></span>?</p><p></p><p><span style="color: Teal"><p style="margin-left: 20px">ਨਾਨਕ ਸੇਵਾ ਕਰਹੁ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਰ ਸਫਲ ਦਰਸਨ ਕੀ ਫਿਰਿ ਲੇਖਾ ਮੰਗੈ ਨ ਕੋਈ ॥੨॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Teal">naanak saevaa karahu har gur safal dharasan kee fir laekhaa mangai n koee ||2||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Teal">O Nanak, serve the Guru, the Lord Incarnate; the Blessed Vision of His Darshan is profitable, and in the end, you shall not be called to account. ||2||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Teal">~SGGS Ji p. 306</p><p></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><p style="margin-left: 20px">ਨਾਥ ਨਰਹਰ ਦੀਨ ਬੰਧਵ ਪਤਿਤ ਪਾਵਨ ਦੇਵ ॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">naathh narehar dheen bandhhav pathith paavan dhaev ||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">O Lord, Man-lion Incarnate, Companion to the poor, Divine Purifier of sinners;</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ਭੈ ਤ੍ਰਾਸ ਨਾਸ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਲ ਗੁਣ ਨਿਧਿ ਸਫਲ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਸੇਵ ॥੧॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">bhai thraas naas kirapaal gun nidhh safal suaamee saev ||1||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">O Destroyer of fear and dread, Merciful Lord Master, Treasure of Excellence, fruitful is Your service. ||1|| </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ਹਰਿ ਗੋਪਾਲ ਗੁਰ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">har gopaal gur gobindh ||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">O Lord, Cherisher of the World, Guru-Lord of the Universe.</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">~SGGS Ji p. 508</p><p></span></p><p><span style="color: Purple"><p style="margin-left: 20px">ਜਗ ਅਉਰੁ ਨ ਯਾਹਿ ਮਹਾ ਤਮ ਮੈ ਅਵਤਾਰੁ ਉਜਾਗਰੁ ਆਨਿ ਕੀਅਉ ॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">jag aour n yaahi mehaa tham mai avathaar oujaagar aan keeao ||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">In the great darkness of this world, the Lord revealed Himself, incarnated as Guru Arjun.</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">~SGGS Ji p. 1409</p><p></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"><p style="margin-left: 20px">ਇਹ ਪਧਤਿ ਤੇ ਮਤ ਚੂਕਹਿ ਰੇ ਮਨ ਭੇਦੁ ਬਿਭੇਦੁ ਨ ਜਾਨ ਬੀਅਉ ॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">eih padhhath thae math chookehi rae man bhaedh bibhaedh n jaan beeao ||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">O mortal being, do not leave this path; do not think that there is any difference between God and Guru.</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">ਪਰਤਛਿ ਰਿਦੈ ਗੁਰ ਅਰਜੁਨ ਕੈ ਹਰਿ ਪੂਰਨ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਿ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ਲੀਅਉ ॥੫॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">parathashh ridhai gur arajun kai har pooran breham nivaas leeao ||5||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">The Perfect Lord God has manifested Himself; He dwells in the heart of Guru Arjun. ||5||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">ਜਬ ਲਉ ਨਹੀ ਭਾਗ ਲਿਲਾਰ ਉਦੈ ਤਬ ਲਉ ਭ੍ਰਮਤੇ ਫਿਰਤੇ ਬਹੁ ਧਾਯਉ ॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">jab lo nehee bhaag lilaar oudhai thab lo bhramathae firathae bahu dhhaayo ||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">As long as the destiny written upon my forehead was not activated, I wandered around lost, running in all directions. </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">ਕਲਿ ਘੋਰ ਸਮੁਦ੍ਰ ਮੈ ਬੂਡਤ ਥੇ ਕਬਹੂ ਮਿਟਿ ਹੈ ਨਹੀ ਰੇ ਪਛੁਤਾਯਉ ॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">kal ghor samudhr mai booddath thhae kabehoo mitt hai nehee rae pashhuthaayo ||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">I was drowning in the horrible world-ocean of this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, and my remorse would never have ended.</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">ਤਤੁ ਬਿਚਾਰੁ ਯਹੈ ਮਥੁਰਾ ਜਗ ਤਾਰਨ ਕਉ ਅਵਤਾਰੁ ਬਨਾਯਉ ॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">thath bichaar yehai mathhuraa jag thaaran ko avathaar banaayo ||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">O Mat'huraa, consider this essential truth: to save the world, the Lord incarnated Himself.</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">~SGGS Ji p. 1409</p><p></span></p><p></p><p>Because you are misunderstanding the nature of the created sansaara. In the world of three gunas and Maya and duality, we are separated from God. It requires a Guru, who is the sargun saroop of the nirgun Jyot to lead us to mukti, so we can experience merging into the One All-pervading. He is right here with us. Our true nature is That. But we can't perceive it. That's why we need a Guru. Otherwise, to recklessly misapply the Advaitist teaching of the All-pervading is to assume we have no need for a Guru.</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: Teal"><p style="margin-left: 20px">ਜਪ੍ਯ੍ਯਉ ਜਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਅਰਜੁਨ ਦੇਵ ਗੁਰੂ ਫਿਰਿ ਸੰਕਟ ਜੋਨਿ ਗਰਭ ਨ ਆਯਉ ॥੬॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Teal">japyo jinh arajun dhaev guroo fir sankatt jon garabh n aayo ||6||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Teal">Whoever meditates on Guru Arjun Dayv, shall not have to pass through the painful womb of reincarnation ever again. ||6||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Teal"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Teal">ਕਲਿ ਸਮੁਦ੍ਰ ਭਏ ਰੂਪ ਪ੍ਰਗਟਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮ ਉਧਾਰਨੁ ॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Teal">kal samudhr bheae roop pragatt har naam oudhhaaran ||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Teal">In the ocean of this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Lord's Name has been revealed in the Form of Guru Arjun, to save the world.</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Teal">~SGGS Ji p. 1409</p><p></span></p><p>Gurbani clearly states we need a Guru. That is why we have an avataar.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harjas Kaur Khalsa, post: 84563, member: 2125"] You are misunderstanding the nature of an avataar. Everything is [I]ultimately[/I] Him. But in manifestation, we are individual jivs. Avataaras are sargun saroop of the nirguna. Not all avataaras are complete and shine the same degree of Jyot. But all avataaras are incarnations of the One Uncreated. While we may say every being is the One Divine Beloved, this is correct in a certain sense. But also, a chela is not equal to his Guru, until he becomes enlightened. The sargun saroop are enlightened Guru's who guide the world of darkness back to light. Because Gurbani says that He incarnates. Why is Gurbani using this term,[COLOR="Blue"][B] ਅਵਤਾਰੁ [/B][/COLOR]? [COLOR="Teal"][indent]ਨਾਨਕ ਸੇਵਾ ਕਰਹੁ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਰ ਸਫਲ ਦਰਸਨ ਕੀ ਫਿਰਿ ਲੇਖਾ ਮੰਗੈ ਨ ਕੋਈ ॥੨॥ naanak saevaa karahu har gur safal dharasan kee fir laekhaa mangai n koee ||2|| O Nanak, serve the Guru, the Lord Incarnate; the Blessed Vision of His Darshan is profitable, and in the end, you shall not be called to account. ||2|| ~SGGS Ji p. 306[/indent][/COLOR] [COLOR="Blue"][indent]ਨਾਥ ਨਰਹਰ ਦੀਨ ਬੰਧਵ ਪਤਿਤ ਪਾਵਨ ਦੇਵ ॥ naathh narehar dheen bandhhav pathith paavan dhaev || O Lord, Man-lion Incarnate, Companion to the poor, Divine Purifier of sinners; ਭੈ ਤ੍ਰਾਸ ਨਾਸ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਲ ਗੁਣ ਨਿਧਿ ਸਫਲ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਸੇਵ ॥੧॥ bhai thraas naas kirapaal gun nidhh safal suaamee saev ||1|| O Destroyer of fear and dread, Merciful Lord Master, Treasure of Excellence, fruitful is Your service. ||1|| ਹਰਿ ਗੋਪਾਲ ਗੁਰ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ॥ har gopaal gur gobindh || O Lord, Cherisher of the World, Guru-Lord of the Universe. ~SGGS Ji p. 508[/indent][/COLOR] [COLOR="Purple"][indent]ਜਗ ਅਉਰੁ ਨ ਯਾਹਿ ਮਹਾ ਤਮ ਮੈ ਅਵਤਾਰੁ ਉਜਾਗਰੁ ਆਨਿ ਕੀਅਉ ॥ jag aour n yaahi mehaa tham mai avathaar oujaagar aan keeao || In the great darkness of this world, the Lord revealed Himself, incarnated as Guru Arjun. ~SGGS Ji p. 1409[/indent][/COLOR] [COLOR="DarkGreen"][indent]ਇਹ ਪਧਤਿ ਤੇ ਮਤ ਚੂਕਹਿ ਰੇ ਮਨ ਭੇਦੁ ਬਿਭੇਦੁ ਨ ਜਾਨ ਬੀਅਉ ॥ eih padhhath thae math chookehi rae man bhaedh bibhaedh n jaan beeao || O mortal being, do not leave this path; do not think that there is any difference between God and Guru. ਪਰਤਛਿ ਰਿਦੈ ਗੁਰ ਅਰਜੁਨ ਕੈ ਹਰਿ ਪੂਰਨ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਿ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ਲੀਅਉ ॥੫॥ parathashh ridhai gur arajun kai har pooran breham nivaas leeao ||5|| The Perfect Lord God has manifested Himself; He dwells in the heart of Guru Arjun. ||5|| ਜਬ ਲਉ ਨਹੀ ਭਾਗ ਲਿਲਾਰ ਉਦੈ ਤਬ ਲਉ ਭ੍ਰਮਤੇ ਫਿਰਤੇ ਬਹੁ ਧਾਯਉ ॥ jab lo nehee bhaag lilaar oudhai thab lo bhramathae firathae bahu dhhaayo || As long as the destiny written upon my forehead was not activated, I wandered around lost, running in all directions. ਕਲਿ ਘੋਰ ਸਮੁਦ੍ਰ ਮੈ ਬੂਡਤ ਥੇ ਕਬਹੂ ਮਿਟਿ ਹੈ ਨਹੀ ਰੇ ਪਛੁਤਾਯਉ ॥ kal ghor samudhr mai booddath thhae kabehoo mitt hai nehee rae pashhuthaayo || I was drowning in the horrible world-ocean of this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, and my remorse would never have ended. ਤਤੁ ਬਿਚਾਰੁ ਯਹੈ ਮਥੁਰਾ ਜਗ ਤਾਰਨ ਕਉ ਅਵਤਾਰੁ ਬਨਾਯਉ ॥ thath bichaar yehai mathhuraa jag thaaran ko avathaar banaayo || O Mat'huraa, consider this essential truth: to save the world, the Lord incarnated Himself. ~SGGS Ji p. 1409[/indent][/COLOR] Because you are misunderstanding the nature of the created sansaara. In the world of three gunas and Maya and duality, we are separated from God. It requires a Guru, who is the sargun saroop of the nirgun Jyot to lead us to mukti, so we can experience merging into the One All-pervading. He is right here with us. Our true nature is That. But we can't perceive it. That's why we need a Guru. Otherwise, to recklessly misapply the Advaitist teaching of the All-pervading is to assume we have no need for a Guru. [COLOR="Teal"][indent]ਜਪ੍ਯ੍ਯਉ ਜਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਅਰਜੁਨ ਦੇਵ ਗੁਰੂ ਫਿਰਿ ਸੰਕਟ ਜੋਨਿ ਗਰਭ ਨ ਆਯਉ ॥੬॥ japyo jinh arajun dhaev guroo fir sankatt jon garabh n aayo ||6|| Whoever meditates on Guru Arjun Dayv, shall not have to pass through the painful womb of reincarnation ever again. ||6|| ਕਲਿ ਸਮੁਦ੍ਰ ਭਏ ਰੂਪ ਪ੍ਰਗਟਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮ ਉਧਾਰਨੁ ॥ kal samudhr bheae roop pragatt har naam oudhhaaran || In the ocean of this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Lord's Name has been revealed in the Form of Guru Arjun, to save the world. ~SGGS Ji p. 1409[/indent][/COLOR] Gurbani clearly states we need a Guru. That is why we have an avataar. [/QUOTE]
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