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Discussion in 'Interfaith Dialogues' started by richard o, Jun 18, 2004.

  1. richard o

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    I have heard it claimed somewhere that there is an uneasy understanding of peace between Sikhs and Muslims.

    I am curious - is there any truth to this perception, and what is the basis for it?

    Is it a political decision, ie, set alliance against larger ideological oppressors or foes? Or is it that there are close parallels in faith between Sikhs and Muslims?
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  3. Neutral Singh

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    Fateh Ji,

    Every now and then claims and counter-claims are made about Guru Nanak professing Hinduism or Islam. Vishva Hindu Parishad is the protogonist of the first proposition: the Ahmadiya Sect of Muslims advance the second theory. For enlightment of our readers, we reprint the late Bhai Sahib Sirdar Kapur Singh's response to an enquiry from the Haji of Mosul (Iraq) first published in the Missionary, January-March, 1963.

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    This article will show how Sikhism is completely different from Islam and that there is not an uneasy understanding of peace between Sikhs and Muslims.

    1) In Sikhism everyone is equal. All people of different color, religion, caste, creed, race and sex are equal in the eyes of God. No one is high or low. All are children of God created by God and God loves them all. Sikhism teaches that everyone should live a peaceful life and love each other as human beings. Sikhism teaches love, humility, equality, humbleness and how to live a peaceful life.

    "The temple or the mosque are the same, the Hindu worship or the Musalman prayer are the same; all men are the same; it is through error they appear different. Deities, demons, Yakshas, heavenly singers, Musalmans and Hindus adopt the customary dress of their different countries. All men have the same eyes, the same ears, the same body, the same build, a compound of earth, air, fire, and water. Allah and Abhekh are the same, the Purans and the Quran are the same; they are all alike; it is the one God who created all. The Hindu God and the Muhammadan God are the same; let no man even by mistake suppose there is a difference." (Guru Gobind Singh, Akal Ustat, pg. 275)

    First, Allah created the Light; then, by His Creative Power, He made all mortal beings. From the One Light, the entire universe welled up. So who is good, and who is bad? ||1|| (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, page 1349)

    This clearly shows that from one light of God everyone came into existence. So if everyone comes from the same creator who will you call good and bad?

    On the other hand, Islam does not teach equality. Islam teaches hatred, inequality and killing of those who do not believe in Islam and the Prophet Mohammad. Islam teaches that only Muslims, who believe in Mohammad being the last prophet, are superior beings to others. Muslims are taught to live with love with each other but not with others. The following is a passage from the Quran.

    "Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrongdoers." (5:49, Quran)

    "Mohammed is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." (48:29, Quran)

    "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and pay the alms-tax, let them go their way. Allah is forgiving and merciful." (9:4, Quran)

    2) Again, Sikhism teaches equality of all human beings including women. Women are given very high status in Sikhism by the Sikh Gurus. Women are given not only equality but they are also given rights to do everything that men can. For example, women can participate and lead the congregation. Women can go to Sikh temple and worship there. Women can play a role of priest, lecturer, singer and whatever there may be. The third Guru, Guru Amardaas Ji, appointed many missionary priests that were sent all over India to preach Sikhism and fifty two of them were women. Read the following points and see it yourself how Sikhism is proved to be lot better than Islam when it comes to women’s rights.

    Sikhism says this:

    "We are born of woman, we are conceived in the womb of woman, we are engaged and married to woman. We make friendship with woman and the lineage continued because of woman. When one woman dies, we take another one, we are bound with the world through woman. Why should we talk ill of her, who gives birth to kings? The woman is born from woman; there is none without her. Only the One True Lord is without woman" (Guru Nanak Dev, Var Asa, pg. 473)

    "Woman is one half the complete personality of man, and is entitled to share
    secular and spiritual knowledge equally." (Bhai Gurdas Ji, Var 5, Pauri 16:59)

    Quran says this:

    "Man have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them." (4:34, Quran)

    Even beating of women is permitted in Islam, and men are given a higher status.

    Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, beat them; but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means: For Allah is Most High, great (above you all). (Quran, 4:34)

    Sikh women can go to Sikh Temple (Gurdwara), say their prayers and worship accordingly. Women can also take the role of a priest and any other role. Women can lead the congregation and are encouraged more to participate in congregations. But Islam teaches totally the opposite. Women not only have fewer rights than men, but they are also prohibited to go to a Muslim church, called mosque, and worship. Women cannot say their prayers at mosque which explains why women are not allowed to go to Mecca (holiest place of Muslims). Women can go to some graves of holy saints to pray there. When they are at home they have to stand behind men to say their prayers.

    The Gurus gave Sikh men and women the same dress. Five symbols Kes (hair covered with turban), Kara (an iron bracelet), Kirpan (sword), Kangha (wooden comb) and Kacherra (an under short) are give to both men and women. Both are required to say the same prayers, live same way of life and wear the same dress. Everything is exactly the same. Sikh women are also not required or forced to wear a veil.

    "Stay, stay, O daughter-in-law - do not cover your face with a veil. In the end, this shall not bring you even half a shell." (Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, page 484)

    But in Islam it is different. In Saudi Arabia, women cannot even drive cars. Women have to cover themselves up from head to toe. Women cannot go out without asking their husbands and when they do, they have to be accompanied by someone else (a male). In other words, women cannot walk freely outside their house. Women are considered to be property of men. If Islam teaches equality then why don’t men have to cover themselves up from head to toe as well? One incident that is worth mentioning follows: A few years ago, an eleven years old girl was raped by an old man. However, even though that innocent girl was raped, the man did not receive any punishment, because according to Islamic law, it was the girl who provoked it by not covering herself up. Thus it was claimed that if she had properly covered herself, this incident would not have happened. This is but one real world example of the equality Islam teaches.

    Islam teaches that women are not only inferior by birth but impure due to their monthly cycles. The Quran says women are impure during menstruation and men are forbidden to go near them until they purify themselves. Read some Ayeh (quotes or lines) yourself and see how ridiculous it sounds.

    They ask thee concerning women's courses. Say: They are a hurt and a pollution: So keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until they are clean. But when they have purified themselves, ye may approach them in any manner, time, or place ordained for you by Allah. Surely Allah loves those who turn much (to Him), and He loves those who purify themselves. (Quran, 2:222)

    This entire Ayeh does not make sense and states that women are dirty for a natural occurrence. Menstruation is part of the female anatomy and completely natural. This is an important function for women to bear children. How can such an event be dirty? If women are impure because of their monthly cycles then how can they purify themselves because it is part of their body? If women are impure then so are all men because it is women who gave birth to all humankind. Muslims like other religions believe that God created men and women. Therefore, why should God tell his prophet Mohammed that men should avoid women during their menstruation period? Why would anyone consider his own creation bad and dirty? God told Mohammed that his own creation, women are filthy and must be avoided seven to ten days a month during a good portion of their life. Frankly, I don’t understand what does a woman's menstruation have to do with the last sentence. Surely Allah loves those who turn much (to Him), and He loves those who purify themselves. Does this mean that God loves women who clean themselves or men that go into women after they are cleaned? It is not clear.

    Your wives are a filth for you, so go into your filth when you like, and do good beforehand for yourselves; and be careful (of your duty) to Allah, and know that you will meet Him, and give good news to the believers. (Quran, 2: 223)

    This entire Ayeh is senseless. First it says that women are dirt for men, and men can go into their dirt or mud anyway they want and then it talks about Allah and the fact that people will see him, and then says give good news to believers. What is the good news that he has to give to the believers? Could the good news be the clause “your wives are filth for you”. So men can abuse women as they want?

    Those who swear that they will not go in to their wives should wait four months; so if they go back, then Allah is surely Forgiving, Merciful. (Quran, 2: 226)

    Does this mean that if a man got angry at his wife, he should not sleep with her for four months and if he does sleep with her in those months then Allah will forgive him? For what? Why is it the business of Allah if a husband or wife sleep with each other or not?

    On the other hand, Sikhism says women are as pure as men. The Gurus teachings say that one cannot be pure by washing his body but purity of mind is the real pureness. I think only one quote would do the job but you can find many if you want to do more research.

    They are not called pure, who sit down after merely washing their bodies. Only they are pure, O Nanak, within whose minds the Lord abides. ||2|| (Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, page 472)

    3) Marriage Beliefs and Policies.

    The Gurus regarded marriage a very spiritual state of life. Marriage is given very high respect by the Gurus.

    They are not said to be husband and wife, who merely sit together. They alone are called husband and wife, who have one light in two bodies. ||3|| (Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, page 788)

    Furthermore, a man and woman can have only one partner at a time. The only way for someone to remarry is if his/her marriage partner has died or he/she is divorced. In Sikhism, the marriage ceremony is very simple and the same every time. It does not matter whether it is ones first or fifth marriage.

    But in Islam it is not only different but very unfair to women. A man can have up to four wives at the same time.

    Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice. (Quran, 4:3)

    Muslims say this is true only during wartime but I do not see anything that mentions or implies this from the quote. Also, why cannot women fight? In Sikhism women have always fought alongside with men. This has been true since the times of the Gurus. Not only that, women have led the Sikh armies into the battle field and received martyrdom with glory. The message of Islam clearly shows that women are considered weak and incapable of fighting. But the Sikh Gurus gave women equal rights and made men and women both saints and warriors at the same time. If men are given sword to fight for themselves then women are given a sword too so they will not have to look upon men to protect them. Sikh Gurus taught Sikhs to be prepared to fight oppression and injustice at all times. Thus, Sikhism is totally different than Islam.

    If we investigate further, we find that not only polygamy is permitted in Islam but also marriage with your adopted son’s wife is also permitted. Prophet Mohammad himself asked his adopted son to leave his wife so prophet could marry her himself. When his followers questioned him by saying that he was his son and his son’s wife his daughter so he could not marry her. But Mohammad said, it was not his real son but adopted. In Islam marrying your biological son’s wife is prohibited, but marrying your adopted son’s wife is acceptable. Prophet Mohammad married anywhere from 38-45 women, the youngest being 6 years old, who became pregnant at the age of nine. Her name was Ayesah.

    Behold! Thou didst say to one who had received the grace of Allah and thy favour: "Retain thou (in wedlock) thy wife, and fear Allah." But thou didst hide in thy heart that which Allah was about to make manifest: thou didst fear the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear Allah. Then when Zaid had dissolved (his marriage) with her, with the necessary (formality), We joined her in marriage to thee: in order that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the Believers in (the matter of) marriage with the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And Allah.s command must be fulfilled. (Quran, 33:37)

    In Sikhism, divorce in marriage is done with the consent of both couples and it is very straight forward. But in Islam there are hard rules for women. All a man has to say is Talaak (divorce) three times and they are divorced. If he wants to remarry her then his wife has to marry someone else and spend a night with her other husband. Then if her newly husband gives her divorce by saying the word divorce three times she can remarry her old husband. Now you can see, what a woman has to go through in a marriage life. Such a ridiculous way of marriage in Islam does not fit the modern way of life.

    4) In Sikhism God is all pervading and is in all directions. God is omniscient, omnipotent and loves all. Sikhs do not face any particular direction to say their prayers. But in Islam Muslims face west to say their prayers because according to Islam God lives in the west due to the fact that their holiest place Mecca is in west. Sikhism rejects all of this foolishness.

    If the Lord Allah lives only in the mosque, then to whom does the rest of the world belong? According to the Hindus, the Lord`s Name abides in the idol, but there is no truth in either of these claims. ||1|| (Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, page 1349)

    The God of the Hindus lives in the southern lands, and the God of the Muslims lives in the west. So search in your heart - look deep into your heart of hearts; this is the home and the place where God lives. ||2|| (Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, page 1349)

    5) Sikhism does not believe in fasting or pilgrimages.

    "The mind is not softened by fasting or austerities. Nothing else is equal to worship of the Lord's Name." (Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, page 905)

    "The pilgrimage to shrines, fasting, cleanliness and self-mortification are not of any avail, nor are the rituals, religious ceremonies and hollow adoration's. Deliverance, O! Nanak! is in the devotional service of God. Through duality the mortal is engrossed in worldliness. (Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, page 75)

    I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines. I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2|| (Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, page 1136)

    I do not keep fasts, nor do I observe the month of Ramadaan. I serve only the One, who will protect me in the end. ||1|| The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah. He adminsters justice to both Hindus and Muslims. ||1||Pause|| (Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, page 1136)

    Contrary to Sikhism, Islam teaches Muslims to fast during the special month of Ramadan. It is this month that Muslims have the opportunity to get closer to God. But my question is: why this special month? If this is the only month to get closer to God then what is point for Muslims doing five prayers a day for the rest of the eleven months?

    “Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong). So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting, but if any one is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (Should be made up) by days later. Allah intends every facility for you; He does not want to put to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful.” (Quran, 2:185)

    “The Brahmins observe twenty-four fasts during the year, and the Muslims fast during the month of Ramadaan. The Muslims set aside eleven months, and claim that the treasure is only in the one month”. ||3|| (Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, page 1349)

    6) Sikhism rejects the idea of dowry which is a common practice in Islam.

    “Any dowry which the perverse offer for show, is only false egotism and a worthless display. O my father, please give me the Name of the Lord God as my wedding gift and dowry”. (Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, page 79)

    “You have lost your self-discipline, you fool, and you have accepted an offering under false pretenses. The daughter of the alms-giver is just like your own; by accepting this payment for performing the wedding ceremony, you have cursed your own life.” (Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, page 435)

    7) Islam teaches that Mohammad is the last prophet and there will be no one else after him. Also, the Quran is considered the only true book. On the other hand, Sikhism does not believe that any Holy Book takes precedence over all others or any religion’s prophet is the final messenger of God.

    "Say not that the Vedas and Muslim books are false. False is he, who reflects not on them." (Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, page 1350)

    "The followers of the Vedas, the Bible and the Koran, standing at Your Door, meditate on You. Uncounted are those who fall at Your Door." (Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, page 518)

    "And many have been orthodox amongst the Muslims, and men of miracles, and Ashvini Kumaras, and the part-incarnations of Vishnu, all O all went the way of death. And many were the prophets and spiritual guides, yea, countless were they: they sprang from the dust and to dust they returned." (Guru Gobind Singh Ji, Akal Ustat)

    8) Sikhism is not merely a religion but a way of life. This way of life is filled with love of God. The Gurus taught Sikhs to follow and worship God out of love. Sri Guru Granth Sahib places greater emphasis on love of God as the main motivation for man. But the Quran puts more emphasis on fear of God. Quran teaches you to follow God not out of love but out of fear because otherwise He will get angry, and you will burn in the fire of hell.

    "Truly, none will take heed but the wise: those who keep faith with Allah and do not break their pledge; who join together what He has bidden to be united; who fear their Lord and dread the terrors of Judgement-day; who for the sake of Allah endure with fortitude..." (13:18, Quran)

    "Allah's reward is great. Therefore fear Him with all your hearts and be attentive, obedient, and charitable. That will be best for you." (64:13, Quran)

    "Within my heart, I sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, and celebrate the Word of the Lord's Shabad. The Lord Himself is pervading and permeating the world; so fall in love with Him!" (Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, page 790)

    "Remembering Him in meditation, one abides in peace; one becomes happy, and suffering is ended. Celebrate, make merry, and sing God's Glories. Forever and ever, surrender to the True Guru." (Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, page 386)

    9) Sikh Gurdwaras (Temples) are open to everyone regardless of color, race, caste, creed, gender and religion. Free food is served to everyone on a daily basis. There is no discrimination. Everyone is treated the same way with love and equality. Non-Sikhs are allowed to visit and enter the most sacred shrine of the religion, The Golden Temple. But this is not true in Islam. Non-muslims cannot even go to a mosque let alone going to Mecca.

    "Believers, know that the idolaters are unclean. Let them not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year is ended" (9:26, Quran)

    "Blessed is the place, and blessed are those who dwell there, where God's Name is meditated upon. The sermons and songs of God's praises are sung there and there is nothing but peace, poise and tranquillity." (Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, page 816)

    "If the Lord Allah lives only in the mosque, then to whom does the rest of the world belong? “The God of the Hindus lives in the southern lands, and the God of the Muslims lives in the west. So search in your heart - look deep into your heart of hearts; this is the home and the place where God lives." (Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, page 1349)

    10) In Sikhism eating meat is prohibited. Sikhism rejects the killing of any animal by evoking a prayer or by slow death. But it is permitted in Islam.

    "Yet holding the knife, the world they butcher. Wearing blue the rulers approval they seek; With money derived from mlechhas the Puranas they worship. Goats slaughtered over the unapproved Muslims texts they eat." (Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, page 472)

    “Make virtue your bread, good conduct the ghee, and modesty the meat to eat. As Gurmukh, these are obtained, O Nanak; partaking of them, one`s sins depart.” (Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, page 553)

    "Kabeer, the dinner of beans and rice is excellent, if it is flavored with salt. Who would cut his throat, to have meat with his bread?

    11) Sikhism rejects the idea of circumcision. Sikhs believe in living a natural way of life the way God created us. Muslims believe that one can only be a Muslim through circumcision. This means a woman cannot become a Muslim. This is why women are considered property of men.

    "Because of the love of woman, circumcision is done; I don't believe in it, O Siblings of Destiny. If God wished me to be a Muslim, it would be cut off by itself. If circumcision makes one a Muslim, then what about a woman?" (Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, page 477)

    Above points show that without any doubts Sikhism is a separate religion and differs from Islam not only by beliefs but by practice, philosophy and way of life.

    Sikhism and Islam
    by Sirdar Kapur Singh


    This article was first published in The Missionary, March 1963. Noted Sikh scholar, Sirdar Kapur Singh answers Quadi of Mosul (Iraq). --Editor

    Q: have heard it said that (Hazrat) Baba Nanak was a true Moslem believer, or, at least he was a great admirer of the Holy Prophet of Islam and a staunch supporter of the Koranic Revelation. I request for authoritative comments from some eminent Sikh theologian and scholar on this matter.

    A: Guru Nanak, the founder of Sikhism, was born in the 15th Century in the North of India that had already been politically integrated to the organized world of Islam for almost 500 years. Arabic was already the official and cultural language at Lahore, a place only a few miles from the birth-place of the Sikh Prophet. Islam and its culture, was not only the dominant strain of the world civilization and culture of those days, but had also percolated into the common idioms and modes of thought of the North-Western Punjab. It was in this milieu that the oecumenical religion of Sikhism took birth.

    Guru Nanak not only was in intimate contact with the Moslem learned men and centers of religion of Islam of those days, but he also made a close study of the basic Islamic literature. His knowledge of the fundamental Hindu sacred texts now being revealed through a critical study of the Sikh Scripture, is not only pleasantly surprising but it also impresses. Needless to say that Guru Nanak was thoroughly conversant with the texts and the teachings of the Koran.

    Since Guru Nanak was a Prophet in his own right and according to his own claim, he neither gives direct quotation nor makes precise references to Hindu and Muslim texts, as a mere scholar would be expected to make, and it is, therefore, only a trained scholar of Comparative Religion who can spot out and pin-point the exact sacred texts which Guru Nanak had in mind when delivering a particular Revelation.

    When such a critical study of the Revelations of Guru Nanak is made, there is left no doubt in the mind of a balanced scholar that even when apparently affirming or repudiating a particular doctrine or text, the Guru almost always amplifies his own statement by added nuances of critical exposition. An appraisal of this character alone can make it clear that Guru Nanak had a definite and positive attitude towards the Koran.

    The Koran has three distinct elements in its texts:

    i. Dissertations on the nature of God and man's relation to Him

    ii. Pronouncements on Social organization and ethics

    iii. Statements on Judaic mythology

    Guru Nanak ignores the last as irrelevant to the message that he has to preach to the mankind. He also considers this as uninteresting, for, he makes very sparse, if at all, even passing references to it. With regard to the second element in the Koran, namely, the laws and principles of social organisation and social ethics, Guru Nanak would seem to reject most of them as contingent and non-perennial.

    It is the first element in the Koran which the Guru takes seriously and on which he has made a large number of pronouncements. The space and scope of this answer forbids any detailed discussion of this point and I would, therefore, just state that Guns Nanak seems to find most of it as worthy of consideration and even assent and he has explicitly incorporated its essentials in the Sacred Book of the Sikhs, the Guru Granth, though only after a personal digestion and re-interpretation.

    I must make this statement slightly clearer.

    In sura 2, called Albaqr, the Cow, for instance, amid brief disquisitions on a multitude of subjects, including pilgrimages, divorce, menstruation, the rights of women, proposals of marriage, and the need for killing the adversaries of Islam, there appears, quite unexpectedly, one of the grandest verses of the Koran the famous throne-verse.

    There is no God save Him, the living the eternal;
    Slumber overtaketh Him not, nor doth sleep weary Him.
    Unto Him belongeth all things in Heaven and on the earth.
    Who shall intercede with Him save by His will.
    His throne is as vast the Heavens and the earth.
    And the keep of them wearieth Him not.
    He is exalted, the mighty One.

    It is this beautiful and noble text which claims the attention and general assent of Guru Nanak and it is this text which he has matched by his own famous text, the Sodar, that Gate, or The Gate, as there being no definite article in the Indo-Sanskrit languages, it can only be expressed as that:

    Like what is that Gate?
    With what compares that Abode?
    By visiting where He sustains All?

    Then in this text Guru Nanak goes to imply that the formal nature of this "Throne" is best comprehensible by human mind through reference to those areas of Reality that pertain to sound and feeling rather than those that pertain to visual and spatial aspects of Reality, as is implicated by the Koranic text.

    Herein Guru Nanak has the advantage of his acquaintance with the categories of the Samkhya school of Hindu Philosophy that categorises sound as the subject element of sensibilia and perception. It is only by a careful and critical analysis of such parallel texts in the Koran and the Guru Granth, that the true interrelationship between Islam and Sikhism can be properly understood.

    Another grand verse, sura 24 in the Koran goes under the name of mishkatul-anwar. The tabernacle. This is the text to which the Mohamedan mystics and Sufis have returned again and again, never tiring of the mysterious Lamp whose rays bathe the whole universe:

    God is the Light of the heavens and earth.
    The similitude of His Light is a niche wherein is a lamp.
    And the lamp is within a glass.
    And the glass, as it were a pearly star.
    This lamp is lit from a blessed tree.
    An olive neither of the east nor of the west;
    Almost this oil would shine though no
    fire touched it.
    Light upon Light, God guideth whom He will to His Light,.
    And He speaketh in parables to men, for He knoweth all things.

    Now, Guru Nanak has taken an unmistakable note of this text. Guru Nanak was also familiar with certain Hindu sacred texts (Vaikunth, and Dipaparijvalanam in the Guradudapauranam) that speak of the Lamp that guides men here and hereafter, Guru Nanak has revealed a text which not only takes note of all these Moslem and Hindu sacred texts but which constitutes the Guru's own disquisition on the Lamp that guides. Guru Nanak opens by declaring:

    My Light is the Name of One and only God.
    And its oil is the pain and suffering:
    The former is consumed and the latter is then done away with.
    And, lo! there is no-doing between I and Death.

    A large number of similar texts in the Guru Granth, are, in this manner, grounded in the Islamic and Hindu sacred texts but invariably the former have the content and identity of their own.

    This is true and correct relationship between Islam and Sikhism. As for Guru Nanak's attitude towards the Muslim Prophet Mohammed, it has to be a matter of inference, for, nowhere in the voluminous Guru Granth, the name of the Moslem Prophet occurs, directly or indirectly, though Koran is mentioned by name more than once.

    The Sikh doctrine on the subject is sharp and clear, the born is perishable, and all praise is due to the Timeless. In so far as the Guru perceived excellence in Mohammed, he attributed it exclusively to the grace of God, and whatever was contingent, unenduring in the words and deeds of Mohammed he deemed as merely human and impermanent trait.

    There is no other way of answering the question put by the learned Quadi from Mosul.
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    I have seen through my personal experiences that the fight of the Khalsa against the Mughals is taken by most muslims to be against 'muslims'. Most of them think of sikhs as a warrior race who stemmed the tide of Islam in the Indian Sub continent.

    "Sunnat Hoti Sab Ki .. Agar na Hote Guru Gobind Singh"

    Also, Islam has a very strong concept of religious war where the person under the influence thinks he is fighting for the cause of God - even though he is by and large ignorant of what that cause is. The truth however is that the said person is fighting for obtaining heaven and nothing more.

    The fight is also more in the name of Mohammed and NOT Allah. Prof of this is that even thogh some plytheists of Mecca admitted that there was only one God, Mohammed would not take it till they admitted him as the Prophet of God.

    Sikhism on the other hand has strong martial traditions rooted in spirtuality (saint and soldier). Hence the 'Jihad' element was easily countered by infinte energy and Josh of the Khalsa stemming from Akal himself and channeled by the Gurus.

    For that is why when the Khalsa meets it says:

    Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh and their war cry is:
    Jo Bole So Nihal, Sat Sri Akal which counters .. the muslim Takbeer ..

    The above, in addition to the numerous battles sikhs have fought and prooved their mettle in, has led to an awe and terror in the minds of the orthodox islamists..and I am of the personal opinion that they are very much afraid of the Philosophy of sikhism.

    That is the ONLY reason why countless times muslims, will not argue about religion BUT merely state that sikhs are a part of them. The same then holds true for Hinuds, albeith because they believe they survivied because of sikhi.

    However more on that later as that my digress from the topic.

    Akal Sahai

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  6. truth_seeker

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    Here is another article, which shows that Islam is unlike Sikhi. Let us do some research into this "Deen of Al-Islam"

    Let us start "In the Name of the Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate" :

    Is this the religion being compared with Sikhism?

    (GGS= Guru Granth Sahib HQ = Holy Quran SM=Sahih Muslim by Abdul Hamid Sadiqi Lahore SB= Sahih Bukhari Sharif Ishait-al-Islam Delhi)

    Is this "Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate"?? Slavery is permitted in Islam (HQ 4:3). Bilal was Prophet Muhammad's slave and the Prophet's cousin Zubair (son of Abu Bakar) had 1000 slaves. A Muslim, who emancipates a Muslim slave, Allah saves every limb of his from fire for every limb of the slave, even his private parts for him" (SM 3604 SB 693V.3 B.46)). Islam does not condemn slavery.

    Slavery is not condoned in Sikhism in any form whatsoever. Indeed the Guru proclaimed in no uncertain terms: "The Gracious Lord has now decreed, "None shall oppress or inflict pain on another. All shall abide in peace as the regime shall be compassionate." (GGS p.74)

    Islamic treatment of women and view about sex etc: A woman's testimony (Shahadah) has half the weight of a man's (HQ 2: 282, 4:177). When inheritance is to be shared "A male is equal to the portion of two females."(SM 3933 HQ4: 177) A man can divorce his wife by simply saying "Talaaq, talaaq, talaaq" three times (HQ 2:229-230,SM 3491-93).

    Adultery and pornication are punishable in Islam but not if committed with women captured in war (SM 3234). A Muslim can also beat his wife (SM, Trimidhi and HQ 4:34). If a slave girl commits adultery she should be lashed. If she does it thrice then she should be sold even for a hair rope. (SB 362,435,731 V.3 B.46) Talaaq literally means, "undoing the knot". A man cannot marry the same woman twice until she has married another man and divorced him (Ihya 2:230). "The proportion of rights and powers between male and female, as laid down by Islam, naturally demand that out of the two parties only the former should be entitled to pronounce divorce" (Maulana Moududi quoted in CIS page 110)

    "Islam allows the conversion of female slaves into concubines with whom <admin-profanity filter activated> relations are legitimate without the necessity of marriage. Once they have been allotted to their masters they become their property" (Maulana Moududi quoted in CIS page 112 Also see HQ 4-3) (SM 3432-34)". The Prophet's wife Safia (wife of Kinana) was a captive at the battle of Khaibar. So were Rihana and Juwariya (SM 4292 Also see Sirat Rasul Allah pages 493 and 517)

    "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hand possesses. It is a decree of Allah for you" (HQ 4:24)

    "Force not your slave girls to *****dom that ye may seek enjoyment of the life of the world, if they would preserve their chastity. And if one forces them, then Allah, after their compulsion, is All-forgiving, All-compassionate " HQ 24:33.

    "Islam allows the conversion of female slaves into concubines with whom <admin-profanity filter activated> relations are legitimate without the necessity of marriage. Once they have been allotted to their masters they become their property" (Maulana Moududi quoted in CIS page 112 Also see HQ 4-3) (SM 3432-34)"

    "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hand possesses. It is a decree of Allah for you" (HQ 4:24)

    Islam defines different rights and responsibilities of men and women.

    "Men are in charge of women because Allah hath made the one to excel the other and because they spend their property (for the support of women)"(HQ4: 34).

    Polygamy is permissible and allows up to four women (HQ 4:3). The Quran instructs "you will not be able to deal equally between (your) wives however much ye wish to do so but turn not altogether away (from one) leaving her as in suspense." (HQ 4: 129). A woman is entitled to a dowry (mehar) and a lawful maintenance (nafqah) but the domination of a husband is paramount, "Your women are like a tilth for you (to cultivate), go unto your tilth as ye will"(HQ 2:223 SM 3363). "Had it not been for Eve, women would never have acted unfaithfully towards their husbands."(SM 3471) However, "Thy women have rights similar to those (of men) over them in kindness, and men are a degree above them"(HQ 2: 228). "As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them."(HQ 4:34-35). "Serving a husband is obligatory since her husband is named her master in Allah's Book and she is a captive with him as is shown in the Sunnah of Allah's Messenger"(Adaab-uz-Zufaaf by Muhammad Nasir-ud-din page 47). " As for those of your women who are guilty of lewdness, call to witness four of you against them. And if they testify (to the truth of the allegation), then confine them to the houses until death take them or (until) Allah appoint for them a way (through the new legislation)"(HQ 4:15) Accoring to Islam " Never will succeed such a nation as makes a woman their ruler" (SB 219 V.9 B.88). "No lady should travel on a journey of two days except with her husband or a Dhi-Mahram"(SB 215 V3 B31)

    Islamic dress for women There are no restrictions on what men wear. Burqa or Hijab is a contraption used by the Muslim women to keep their bodies covered except for the eyes (HQ 33:59, 24:31). Sharia requires women to dress up with clothes meeting the following criteria (Adaab-uz-Zufaaf page30).

    1. The whole body must be covered except for the oval
    of the face and the two hands.
    2. The material of the cloth must not be decorative.
    3. The material must be thick enough to be opaque.
    4. The dress must be loose enough as not to make clear
    the shape of the
    5. A woman must never wear perfume in public.
    6. The dress must not resemble the dress worn by men.
    7. The dress must not resemble that worn by
    disbelieving women.
    8. The dress must not be ostentatious.

    Sikhism treats women as equal to men and forbids adultery or beating of women in any situation. "Like the companionship of a poisonous snake is the desire of another's woman"(GGS P.403). Ill treatment of women captured in war is strictly forbidden. This is what we read about Sardar Sham Singh Attariwala, "It was disorder, anarchy and confusion in Punjab, they moved from Malwa to Majha. Just before settling at Attari and the process of establishing their control they came across a helpless Muhammadan bride of the nearby Amir of Sarai Salamat Khan. The manner in which they returned her to the Amir became a legend and people still give example of their noble and moral character" (Ranjit Singh's Khalsa Raj and Attariwala Sardars,' National Book Depot Delhi 1944 Edition page 14.)

    Sikhism preaches complementary roles of men and women in all social spheres. However, women are not debarred from any activities carried out by men; nor are they restricted to any special dress. Indeed, although there is a traditional Panjabi dress for women (salwar, kameez and a light material head cloth), they may dress exactly like men and go to battle if need be. Some famous Sikh women have in fact led armies to battle.

    Islamic intolerance: "One who chooses to follow the code revealed by God becomes a Muslim and one who refuses to follow it becomes a *****."(The Religion of Islam by Khurshid Ahmed page 4). "Believers are God's party but un-believers are Devil's party"(HQ4: 76). "Allah (Himself) is an enemy to the disbelievers" (HQ 2:15, 90,98). "Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter (HQ 33:61). The tribes of Uraina and Ukl had their hands and legs cut off, their eyes gouged out and no water was given to them. They died a slow and painful death. (SB 577)

    Sikhism: The nearest word to ***** in Sikhism is sakat. In Gurbani it is used for those who do not believe in the existence of God. Unlike Islam, Sikhism does not order killing of such persons but does advise to avoid their company. "Shun the company of sakat, keep him at an arm's length" (GGS p. 1371). Whatever the extent of enmity, Sikhism does not sanction cruel treatment. Guru Gobind Singh blessed Bhai Kanhaya when the latter offered water and assistance to the fallen enemy in the battlefield. The Guru also instructed him to treat the wounds of the enemies.

    "The True Guru has no anger or vengeance and preaches the same. He looks upon son and enemy alike. He helps in removing faults and mistakes and thus purifies the human body"(GGS 960)


    Prophet Muhammad preferred always to travel only on a Thursday, which is considered auspicious. (SB 199 V.4.B.52) "The year is of twelve months out of which four months (Dhul Qa'da, Dhul Hijja, Muharrum and Rajab) are sacred."(SB 419 V4 B54)

    In Sikhism no day or month is considered more auspicious than the others are. "The same moon rises, the same stars, the same sun shines in the sky, the earth remains the same and the same wind blows. How can it be then that some times are sacred and the others not?" (GGS P.902)

    Sacrifice or cruelty to animals? :

    All adult Muslims are supposed to sacrifice an animal on Id-al-Adha (SM 4818-4835) because "There is a reward annexed to every hair of the animal sacrifice" (Trimidhi V.1-1392). "On the day of judgement the horns, hair and hoofs of the sacrificed animal fall in the pan of pious deeds and thus cancel out the misdeeds of the devotees"(Mishkwat –al- Masabih Book 4 .Chapter 49-2)

    According to Sikhism animal sacrifice has no spiritual merit and is strictly forbidden.

    "The use of force is tyranny even if you call it halal. When your account is called for in the court of the Lord, what will your predicament be then?"
    (GGS Page 1374)

    Sikhism believes in sacrifice for a noble cause or forthe good of humanity when necessary. Guru Gobind Singh, at Chamkaur, dressed and sent his own two sons to the battle in a spirit of sacrifice for the right cause.

    Service with humility (sewa), sharing one's food and earnings with the needy, treading the righteous path regardless of cost, and inner detachment while living a full life, is the Guru's way of sacrifice. Sikhism preaches that a real sacrifice is to lay down one's own life for a noble cause.

    Religious war: Islamic view: Jihad is defined by H.G. Koenigsberger as "Spreading Islam by war." "The various means employed by an Islamic state to spread Islam are called jihad, if they involve strife and struggle. The more popular form of jihad is holy war"(CIS p.54)

    "Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His Messenger, and follow not the religion of truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low." (HQ 9:29)

    Regarding the spoils of war the Holy Quran says, "Now enjoy ye what you have won, as lawful and good" (HQ 8:69,48:15). "If a town disobeys Allah and the Messenger one fifth of the booty seized therefrom is for Allah and His Apostle and the rest is for you" said Muhammad (SM 4346)

    Sikhism is opposed to spreading religion through war. The nearest concept to Jihad is dharam yudh (fight for justice or the righteous cause). Use of force for propagating religion or for changing another's ideology or point of view runs contrary to Sikh belief and practice. The divinely inspired compositions of Muslim and Hindu saints have been included in Sri Guru Granth Sahib and given the same status as the hymns of the Sikh Gurus.

    Sikhism, therefore, demonstrably preaches that no single ideology has the monopoly of access to God or the Ultimate Truth. The Sikh Guru went further when Guru Tegh Bahadhur (Nanak IX) gave his life to uphold another's right of worship in his own way. Sikh Gurus were fully aware of the need for the use of arms for defending freedom of religious ideology and the geo-political implications which were bound to flow from it. The concept of Khalsa Raj and the just theo-political aspirations of the Sikhs have brought (and continue to bring) the Sikh nation into armed conflict with authoritarian regimes. In certain circumstances, when all othermeans have failed, resort to arms is considered legitimate. Guru Tegh Bahadur's injunction is: "Frighten none and accept fear from no-one." (GGS p. 1427)

    Guru Nanak's followers could not shirk their responsibility towards other fellow beings nor could they accept fear from anyone. Guru Nanak spoke out against social, political and administrative injustice and he expected his followers to do the same. The Sikh Gurus and the bhagats (saints), whose compositions are recorded in the Holy Granth, were well aware of the need for resorting to arms for defending human rights and the freedom of religious ideologies.

    "The true warrior is one who fights in defence of the downtrodden." (GGS p. 1105)

    "When all attempts to obtain justice fail, it is legitimate to move the hand to the hilt of the sword." (Guru Gobind Singh's Zafarnama to Moghul Emperor Aurangzeb).
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    Well the problem comes from the fact that several Sikh Gurus fought against the oppression of the Muslim rulers of India. Guru Gobind Singh fought tooth and nail against Aurangazeb. Aurangazeb converted millions of Hindus forcibly to convert to Islam. Had it been not for Guru Gobind Singh, Dasveh Patshah, there may not gave been any Hindus or even Sikhs left. Sikhism does not allow forced conversion neither does Hinduism. Muslims have converted through force and Christians by offering economic benefits. That is why there is virtually no difference between Sikhism and Hinduism. The rituals in Hinduism and idol worship are made be pundits and are not even mentioned in the Vedas. The idols are just supposed to aid in meditation just like the Guru Granth Sahib. Sat Sri Akal
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    Many Sikhs have turned Guru Granth Sahib into an idol. They bow before it, sprinkle perfume on it, and give it a bed to sleep in at night, but they do not contemplate what is written inside. Guru Granth Sahib is not not a tool to aid in meditation, it is a spiritual guide. The only tool Sikhs use to aid in their Simran is the name they call the Divine. Sikhs worship truth. The truth is universal, which is why Hindus and Muslims claimed Guru Nanak as their own. There is no Hinduism and there is no Islam. There is only truth and falsehood. The fight between the Sikhs and and the Mughals was a fight between lovers and fundamentalists. It was between truth and dogma.

    GGS, page 1160:

    ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥
    महला ५ ॥
    Mėhlā 5.
    Fifth Mehl:

    ਜੋ ਪਾਥਰ ਕਉ ਕਹਤੇ ਦੇਵ ॥
    जो पाथर कउ कहते देव ॥
    Jo pāthar ka▫o kahṯe ḏev.
    Those who call a stone their god-

    ਤਾ ਕੀ ਬਿਰਥਾ ਹੋਵੈ ਸੇਵ ॥
    ता की बिरथा होवै सेव ॥
    Ŧā kī birthā hovai sev.
    their service is useless.

    ਜੋ ਪਾਥਰ ਕੀ ਪਾਂਈ ਪਾਇ ॥
    जो पाथर की पांई पाइ ॥
    Jo pāthar kī pāʼn▫ī pā▫e.
    Those who fall at the feet of a stone god-

    ਤਿਸ ਕੀ ਘਾਲ ਅਜਾਂਈ ਜਾਇ ॥੧॥
    तिस की घाल अजांई जाइ ॥१॥
    Ŧis kī gẖāl ajāʼn▫ī jā▫e. ||1||
    their work is wasted in vain. ||1||

    ਠਾਕੁਰੁ ਹਮਰਾ ਸਦ ਬੋਲੰਤਾ ॥
    ठाकुरु हमरा सद बोलंता ॥
    Ŧẖākur hamrā saḏ bolanṯā.
    My Lord and Master speaks forever.

    ਸਰਬ ਜੀਆ ਕਉ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਦਾਨੁ ਦੇਤਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
    सरब जीआ कउ प्रभु दानु देता ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
    Sarab jī▫ā ka▫o parabẖ ḏān ḏeṯā. ||1|| rahā▫o.
    God gives His gifts to all living beings. ||1||Pause||

    ਅੰਤਰਿ ਦੇਉ ਨ ਜਾਨੈ ਅੰਧੁ ॥
    अंतरि देउ न जानै अंधु ॥
    Anṯar ḏe▫o na jānai anḏẖ.
    The Divine Lord is within the self, but the spiritually blind one does not know this.

    ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਪਾਵੈ ਫੰਧੁ ॥
    भ्रम का मोहिआ पावै फंधु ॥
    Bẖaram kā mohi▫ā pāvai fanḏẖ.
    Deluded by doubt, he is caught in the noose.

    ਨ ਪਾਥਰੁ ਬੋਲੈ ਨਾ ਕਿਛੁ ਦੇਇ ॥
    न पाथरु बोलै ना किछु देइ ॥
    Na pāthar bolai nā kicẖẖ ḏe▫e.
    The stone does not speak; it does not give anything to anyone.

    ਫੋਕਟ ਕਰਮ ਨਿਹਫਲ ਹੈ ਸੇਵ ॥੨॥
    फोकट करम निहफल है सेव ॥२॥
    Fokat karam nihfal hai sev. ||2||
    Such religious rituals are useless; such service is fruitless. ||2||

    ਜੇ ਮਿਰਤਕ ਕਉ ਚੰਦਨੁ ਚੜਾਵੈ ॥
    जे मिरतक कउ चंदनु चड़ावै ॥
    Je mirṯak ka▫o cẖanḏan cẖaṛāvai.
    If a corpse is anointed with sandalwood oil,

    ਉਸ ਤੇ ਕਹਹੁ ਕਵਨ ਫਲ ਪਾਵੈ ॥
    उस ते कहहु कवन फल पावै ॥
    Us ṯe kahhu kavan fal pāvai.
    what good does it do?

    ਜੇ ਮਿਰਤਕ ਕਉ ਬਿਸਟਾ ਮਾਹਿ ਰੁਲਾਈ ॥
    जे मिरतक कउ बिसटा माहि रुलाई ॥
    Je mirṯak ka▫o bistā māhi rulā▫ī.
    If a corpse is rolled in manure,

    ਤਾਂ ਮਿਰਤਕ ਕਾ ਕਿਆ ਘਟਿ ਜਾਈ ॥੩॥
    तां मिरतक का किआ घटि जाई ॥३॥
    Ŧāʼn mirṯak kā ki▫ā gẖat jā▫ī. ||3||
    what does it lose from this? ||3||

    ਕਹਤ ਕਬੀਰ ਹਉ ਕਹਉ ਪੁਕਾਰਿ ॥
    कहत कबीर हउ कहउ पुकारि ॥
    Kahaṯ Kabīr ha▫o kaha▫o pukār.
    Says Kabeer, I proclaim this out loud -

    ਸਮਝਿ ਦੇਖੁ ਸਾਕਤ ਗਾਵਾਰ ॥
    समझि देखु साकत गावार ॥
    Samajẖ ḏekẖ sākaṯ gāvār.
    behold, and understand, you ignorant, faithless cynic.

    ਦੂਜੈ ਭਾਇ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਘਰ ਗਾਲੇ ॥
    दूजै भाइ बहुतु घर गाले ॥
    Ḏūjai bẖā▫e bahuṯ gẖar gāle.
    The love of duality has ruined countless homes.

    ਰਾਮ ਭਗਤ ਹੈ ਸਦਾ ਸੁਖਾਲੇ ॥੪॥੪॥੧੨॥
    राम भगत है सदा सुखाले ॥४॥४॥१२॥
    Rām bẖagaṯ hai saḏā sukẖāle. ||4||4||12||
    The Lord's devotees are forever in bliss. ||4||4||12||
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