☀️ JOIN SPN MOBILE
Forums
New posts
Guru Granth Sahib
Composition, Arrangement & Layout
ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
What's new
New posts
New media
New media comments
New resources
Latest activity
Videos
New media
New comments
Library
Latest reviews
Donate
Log in
Register
What's new
New posts
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Welcome to all New Sikh Philosophy Network Forums!
Explore Sikh Sikhi Sikhism...
Sign up
Log in
Discussions
Interfaith Dialogues
Sikhism And Hinduism
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="spnadmin" data-source="post: 176497" data-attributes="member: 35"><p>Luckysingh ji</p><p></p><p>I align with your comments where current trends are concerned. There is a lot of confusion, and I believe this comes from the times we live in. These are uncertain times that breed fear, and fearfulness historically has led people to question traditions and invent new solutions...religion is not exempt.</p><p></p><p>One thing readers of the thread should know is that at SPN we have an entire subforum about Sanatan Sikhism. Some would argue there is no such thing. However, the sanatan sampardyan or "traditions" go back in time to the Gurus, including Guru Nanak. They differ in their rehats, liturgy and practice, the sacred scriptures they revere in addition to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, and what scriptures have parkash with Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. So I recommend reading some threads in that section.</p><p></p><p>A second movement within Sikhi has been around for a long time, but is not part of the sanatan sampardyan. I place Ramgarhia within this category. Not all practices conform to the Rehat Maryada. There are some Hindu influences, but mostly Ramgarhia belief and practice are consistent with Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. It is hard to draw a line and perhaps we should not. </p><p></p><p>There are Sikhs who start traditions that are not Sikhi, and these often have been born out of unique events. For example there are Sikhs in Mumbai with a special devotion to Ganesh. It began in a market place as a small shrine and today there is a large temple on that spot. Adherents celebrate Ganesha's birthday, and even publish a glossy calendar for the year celebrating Ganesha. Another example of blended tradition, rising out of violent events, is the current form of Nirankaari, led by a human guru who preaches from many different spiritual teachings. Though he wears a turban and Nirankaari are associated as Sikhs, whether they are Sikhs can be debated. The tendency to blend religious traditions is not unique to Sikhi and can be found throughout Christianity too. Unitarians according to congregation (sangat) may preach from more than one school of religious thought and may even preach eastern and western beliefs. I am limiting myself to one example, though there are others.</p><p></p><p>The more recent developments within Sikhi are the most baffling because they seem organized around the charisma of babas, human gurus, and they challenge the authority of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, even aggressively challenge its authenticity. After poking around in the recent origins of these groups. one can usually find some fast-handed real-estate deals, huge bankrolls, wealth acquired from donations of sangat seeking deliverance from the pain of life, time to time reports of sex scandals, back room dealings with figures of political influence, and the buying of votes at election time. These deras may or may not cover over attachment to maya by building nursing homes and orphanages, though this is rarely the case. And what do we mean by "Hindu?" Mostly the connection works more like a marriage of convenience... if we can throw in some Hindu thoughts, bachans and readings, we can gain followers, win friends and influence people who will turn a blind-eye. I would not call any of this "Hindu" even if followers call themselves "Hindu-Sikhs."</p><p></p><p>The fear of uncertainty leads us in different directions. In Sikhi we try to develop enough personal discipline to strengthen our connection to Satguruji. The Sikh solution requires personal commitment and time. Yet, problems of the moment can be terrifying and make us think a "baba can do it for me." That solution requires cash. </p><p></p><p>To finish. The clash of Hindu traditions within Sikhi is centuries old. Read the janamsakhi of the Gurus and you will know what I mean. Follow up with the history of Sikhi after the death Guru Gobind Singh and then of Maharaja Ranjit Singh ji. There is one long thread that could be written about that starting with Guru Nanak. Ego, fear of losing influence, politics and money figure in each of these tales. The more things change the more they stay the same.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="spnadmin, post: 176497, member: 35"] Luckysingh ji I align with your comments where current trends are concerned. There is a lot of confusion, and I believe this comes from the times we live in. These are uncertain times that breed fear, and fearfulness historically has led people to question traditions and invent new solutions...religion is not exempt. One thing readers of the thread should know is that at SPN we have an entire subforum about Sanatan Sikhism. Some would argue there is no such thing. However, the sanatan sampardyan or "traditions" go back in time to the Gurus, including Guru Nanak. They differ in their rehats, liturgy and practice, the sacred scriptures they revere in addition to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, and what scriptures have parkash with Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. So I recommend reading some threads in that section. A second movement within Sikhi has been around for a long time, but is not part of the sanatan sampardyan. I place Ramgarhia within this category. Not all practices conform to the Rehat Maryada. There are some Hindu influences, but mostly Ramgarhia belief and practice are consistent with Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. It is hard to draw a line and perhaps we should not. There are Sikhs who start traditions that are not Sikhi, and these often have been born out of unique events. For example there are Sikhs in Mumbai with a special devotion to Ganesh. It began in a market place as a small shrine and today there is a large temple on that spot. Adherents celebrate Ganesha's birthday, and even publish a glossy calendar for the year celebrating Ganesha. Another example of blended tradition, rising out of violent events, is the current form of Nirankaari, led by a human guru who preaches from many different spiritual teachings. Though he wears a turban and Nirankaari are associated as Sikhs, whether they are Sikhs can be debated. The tendency to blend religious traditions is not unique to Sikhi and can be found throughout Christianity too. Unitarians according to congregation (sangat) may preach from more than one school of religious thought and may even preach eastern and western beliefs. I am limiting myself to one example, though there are others. The more recent developments within Sikhi are the most baffling because they seem organized around the charisma of babas, human gurus, and they challenge the authority of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, even aggressively challenge its authenticity. After poking around in the recent origins of these groups. one can usually find some fast-handed real-estate deals, huge bankrolls, wealth acquired from donations of sangat seeking deliverance from the pain of life, time to time reports of sex scandals, back room dealings with figures of political influence, and the buying of votes at election time. These deras may or may not cover over attachment to maya by building nursing homes and orphanages, though this is rarely the case. And what do we mean by "Hindu?" Mostly the connection works more like a marriage of convenience... if we can throw in some Hindu thoughts, bachans and readings, we can gain followers, win friends and influence people who will turn a blind-eye. I would not call any of this "Hindu" even if followers call themselves "Hindu-Sikhs." The fear of uncertainty leads us in different directions. In Sikhi we try to develop enough personal discipline to strengthen our connection to Satguruji. The Sikh solution requires personal commitment and time. Yet, problems of the moment can be terrifying and make us think a "baba can do it for me." That solution requires cash. To finish. The clash of Hindu traditions within Sikhi is centuries old. Read the janamsakhi of the Gurus and you will know what I mean. Follow up with the history of Sikhi after the death Guru Gobind Singh and then of Maharaja Ranjit Singh ji. There is one long thread that could be written about that starting with Guru Nanak. Ego, fear of losing influence, politics and money figure in each of these tales. The more things change the more they stay the same. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Discussions
Interfaith Dialogues
Sikhism And Hinduism
This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
Accept
Learn more…
Top