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<blockquote data-quote="Tejwant Singh" data-source="post: 201717" data-attributes="member: 138"><p>Original ji,</p><p></p><p>Guru Fateh.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Firstly, I want to thank you for taking keen interest in this as you have often done in many threads which is a commendable trait to have. Only by interacting with each other we can understand and then practice the beautiful message of Gurbani.</p><p></p><p>I chose "Air Force Wings" because Hardit Singh Malik was my Granddad, Pita Ji's cousin and he was the only reference I could find as the only Sikh pilot during World War II. Most of my family was also in the armed forces. My cousin was a Squadron Leader stationed at Amritsar in June 1984. He resigned in protest but it took him many years to clear his name.</p><p></p><p>The more details of this PowerPoint are in the video that my son Trimaan recorded on multiple iphones and it will be posted here in a couple of days with my own elaboration of it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>To be honest I have no idea what you mean by 'sectarian Sikhism'. I do not believe in any sects in Sikhi either. Sikhi stands alone.</p><p></p><p>A Sikh is only traditionalist about his/her baana only.However,in the thought process a Sikh is a secularist to the core not sectarian. The name Sikh defines that secularism. Four doors at Harmander Sahib, Langar, Gurbani in the SGGS, not only by our visionary Gurus but also by Hindu and Muslims and many more things are the proofs of that. A Sikh is not a traditionalist because this is the only way of life that evolves with time unlike in other religions.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>For me and to many others too, the beautiful Sikhi tapestry is in 1429 pages, hence interwoven. Page 1430 is an ugly knot on this gorgeous tapestry and no one knows the author of this knot unlike the beautiful interwoven design in 1429 previous pages. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That is not what I said. This is your thought, not mine and this is just one-half of it. If I am not mistaken, your intention was to ask me why Sikhi believes in acceptance rather than "Tolerance not a virtue within Sikhism" as described in slides #'s 8&9 of the presentation. </p><p></p><p>My emphasis is on acceptance not on tolerance.</p><p></p><p>I will use both historical examples and also some from Gurbani.</p><p></p><p>1. Historical examples.</p><p></p><p>a. Four doors of Harmander Sahib proves that we accept everyone in our Sanctum Sanctorum irrespective of one's hue, creed and faith. A non-Muslim can not go to Hajj. A non-Catholic can not receive a communion are just two examples out of many where the acceptance of all is absent, unlike in Sikhi.</p><p></p><p>b. SGGS contains hymns of 6 Sikh Gurus and 30 other composers which include Hindus and Muslims as mentioned in slide# 7.</p><p></p><p>c. The concept of Langar- breaking bread with anyone and everyone- was started to demonstrate in tangible terms the acceptance of all humanity unlike those times then when India was divided into castes and class system and tolerance was not even in the equation of people's psyche.</p><p></p><p>d. Any one can read, study SGGS and become 'a scholar' of Sikhi unlike in other religions. The first translators of SGGS were Christian Missionaries who had Sikhs as their disciples which is quite a unique occurrence from a theological point of view. </p><p></p><p>The evolution of one's thought process in Sikhi as mentioned above has also made some of us question the biblical slant and thus the misleading English translations of SGGS, which can be a point of discussion in another thread.</p><p></p><p>Acceptance in the SGGS.</p><p></p><p>a. Gurbani is filled with Shabads that show us that, but before we go there, what is mentioned in b. above is the first and foremost proof of acceptance in SGGS.</p><p></p><p>The omnipresence of Ik Ong Kaar is demonstrated in almost all the 1429 pages of SGGS which shows the acceptance of ALL sans bias. I will post some verses just for reference. The literal translation is by Sant Singh Khalsa, a Caucasian convert. </p><p></p><p>b. The following Rahao is on page 485 and ironically it is written by Bhagat Nam Dev who was a low caste Hindu from a calico printer family in Maharashtra. </p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%AD%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"></a></p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%AD%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਸਭੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BF%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਗੋਬਿੰਦੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਹੈ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%AD%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਸਭੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BF%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਗੋਬਿੰਦੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਹੈ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BF%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A6" target="_blank">ਗੋਬਿੰਦ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਬਿਨੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਨਹੀ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%88" target="_blank">ਕੋਈ </a>॥</p><p>Sabẖ gobinḏ hai sabẖ gobinḏ hai gobinḏ bin nahī ko▫ī.</p><p>God is everything, God is everything. Without God, there is nothing at all.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਸੂਤੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%8F%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਏਕੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਮਣਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A4" target="_blank">ਸਤ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%B8" target="_blank">ਸਹੰਸ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%88%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%87" target="_blank">ਜੈਸੇ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%93%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਓਤਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਪੋਤਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AD%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਪ੍ਰਭੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%88" target="_blank">ਸੋਈ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A5%A5%E0%A9%A7%E0%A5%A5" target="_blank">॥੧॥ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%89" target="_blank">ਰਹਾਉ </a>॥</p><p>Sūṯ ek maṇ saṯ sahaʼns jaise oṯ poṯ parabẖ so▫ī. ||1|| rahā▫o.</p><p>As one thread holds hundreds and thousands of beads, He is woven into His creation. ||1||Pause|| Page</p><p></p><p>The following verse is from our 9th Guru who gave his life to demonstrate the acceptance of Hindus as Hindus, in this case, Kashmiri Pundits..</p><p></p><p>Page 1427 </p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%95" target="_blank">ਸਲੋਕ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਮਹਲਾ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A9%AF" target="_blank">੯ </a>॥</p><p>Salok mėhlā 9.</p><p>Shalok, Ninth Mehl:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%98%E0%A8%9F" target="_blank">ਘਟ ਘਟ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਮੈ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਹਰਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%82" target="_blank">ਜੂ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਬਸੈ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank">ਸੰਤਨ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%93" target="_blank">ਕਹਿਓ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਪੁਕਾਰਿ </a>॥</p><p>Gẖat gẖat mai har jū basai sanṯan kahi▫o pukār.</p><p>The Dear Lord abides in each and every heart; the Saints proclaim this as true.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਕਹੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%95" target="_blank">ਨਾਨਕ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B9" target="_blank">ਤਿਹ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਭਜੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਮਨਾ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%89" target="_blank">ਭਉ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਨਿਧਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਉਤਰਹਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਪਾਰਿ </a>॥੧੨॥</p><p>Kaho Nānak ṯih bẖaj manā bẖa▫o niḏẖ uṯrėh pār. ||12||</p><p>Says Nanak, meditate and vibrate upon Him, and you shall cross over the terrifying world-ocean. ||12||</p><p></p><p>Page 1381. This Salok is from the Sheikh Farid, a Muslim.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਮਹਲਾ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A9%AB" target="_blank">੫ </a>॥</p><p>Mėhlā 5.</p><p>Fifth Mehl:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AB%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਫਰੀਦਾ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਖਾਲਕੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%95" target="_blank">ਖਲਕ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਮਹਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%95" target="_blank">ਖਲਕ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਵਸੈ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AC" target="_blank">ਰਬ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਮਾਹਿ </a>॥</p><p>Farīḏā kẖālak kẖalak mėh kẖalak vasai rab māhi.</p><p>Fareed, the Creator is in the Creation, and the Creation abides in God.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਮੰਦਾ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8" target="_blank">ਕਿਸ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank">ਨੋ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%90" target="_blank">ਆਖੀਐ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%82" target="_blank">ਜਾਂ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਤਿਸੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਬਿਨੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%88" target="_blank">ਕੋਈ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਨਾਹਿ </a>॥੭੫॥</p><p>Manḏā kis no ākẖī▫ai jāʼn ṯis bin ko▫ī nāhi. ||75||</p><p>Whom can we call bad? There is none without Him. ||75</p><p></p><p>Above are just a few examples of many many verses in SGGS which teaches us the acceptance of all. There are in-numerous examples like that in the SGGS, our only Guru.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Let's do this the other way around. Please post the Shabad/s from the SGGS which show your belief in reincarnation. It would be easier for us to interact about the Shabad/s then. I would like to point out one thing though. Acknowledgment of a belief by our Gurus in SGGS does not in anyway means acceptance of the belief mentioned.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have no idea what you mean by "consistent, accurate and above all factual information". As you very well know that Gurbani is written in poetry. And as I mentioned in slide # 6:</p><p></p><p>Music has a powerful universal message.</p><p>It crosses all borders and cultures.</p><p>It makes one dance from the within.</p><p>It also makes a common person sing along and memorise the message of goodness.</p><p></p><p>Poetry is like a prism with multiple angles. Let's take Gurbani as the example. As we evolve with time, our understanding of Gurbani also evolves with it. We end of seeing the same Shabad from multiple angles rather that just a few as we did in the beginning.For me this is the true meaning of Nitnem and doing Sehaj Paath repeatedly. Thus, the interpretation becomes subjective, with the Gurmat principles as the centre for us all</p><p></p><p>Having said that, I agree with you that we must have an easily understandable Gurbani with the universal consensus sans any biblical slant that we can interpret depending on our own Gurmat journey which I have been advocating for years in this wonderful forum.</p><p></p><p>Will wait for the Shabads about reincarnation from you.</p><p></p><p>Thanks once again for taking interest in this.</p><p></p><p>Regards</p><p></p><p>Tejwant Singh</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tejwant Singh, post: 201717, member: 138"] Original ji, Guru Fateh. Firstly, I want to thank you for taking keen interest in this as you have often done in many threads which is a commendable trait to have. Only by interacting with each other we can understand and then practice the beautiful message of Gurbani. I chose "Air Force Wings" because Hardit Singh Malik was my Granddad, Pita Ji's cousin and he was the only reference I could find as the only Sikh pilot during World War II. Most of my family was also in the armed forces. My cousin was a Squadron Leader stationed at Amritsar in June 1984. He resigned in protest but it took him many years to clear his name. The more details of this PowerPoint are in the video that my son Trimaan recorded on multiple iphones and it will be posted here in a couple of days with my own elaboration of it. To be honest I have no idea what you mean by 'sectarian Sikhism'. I do not believe in any sects in Sikhi either. Sikhi stands alone. A Sikh is only traditionalist about his/her baana only.However,in the thought process a Sikh is a secularist to the core not sectarian. The name Sikh defines that secularism. Four doors at Harmander Sahib, Langar, Gurbani in the SGGS, not only by our visionary Gurus but also by Hindu and Muslims and many more things are the proofs of that. A Sikh is not a traditionalist because this is the only way of life that evolves with time unlike in other religions. For me and to many others too, the beautiful Sikhi tapestry is in 1429 pages, hence interwoven. Page 1430 is an ugly knot on this gorgeous tapestry and no one knows the author of this knot unlike the beautiful interwoven design in 1429 previous pages. That is not what I said. This is your thought, not mine and this is just one-half of it. If I am not mistaken, your intention was to ask me why Sikhi believes in acceptance rather than "Tolerance not a virtue within Sikhism" as described in slides #'s 8&9 of the presentation. My emphasis is on acceptance not on tolerance. I will use both historical examples and also some from Gurbani. 1. Historical examples. a. Four doors of Harmander Sahib proves that we accept everyone in our Sanctum Sanctorum irrespective of one's hue, creed and faith. A non-Muslim can not go to Hajj. A non-Catholic can not receive a communion are just two examples out of many where the acceptance of all is absent, unlike in Sikhi. b. SGGS contains hymns of 6 Sikh Gurus and 30 other composers which include Hindus and Muslims as mentioned in slide# 7. c. The concept of Langar- breaking bread with anyone and everyone- was started to demonstrate in tangible terms the acceptance of all humanity unlike those times then when India was divided into castes and class system and tolerance was not even in the equation of people's psyche. d. Any one can read, study SGGS and become 'a scholar' of Sikhi unlike in other religions. The first translators of SGGS were Christian Missionaries who had Sikhs as their disciples which is quite a unique occurrence from a theological point of view. The evolution of one's thought process in Sikhi as mentioned above has also made some of us question the biblical slant and thus the misleading English translations of SGGS, which can be a point of discussion in another thread. Acceptance in the SGGS. a. Gurbani is filled with Shabads that show us that, but before we go there, what is mentioned in b. above is the first and foremost proof of acceptance in SGGS. The omnipresence of Ik Ong Kaar is demonstrated in almost all the 1429 pages of SGGS which shows the acceptance of ALL sans bias. I will post some verses just for reference. The literal translation is by Sant Singh Khalsa, a Caucasian convert. b. The following Rahao is on page 485 and ironically it is written by Bhagat Nam Dev who was a low caste Hindu from a calico printer family in Maharashtra. [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%AD%E0%A9%81'] ਸਭੁ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BF%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%81']ਗੋਬਿੰਦੁ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%88']ਹੈ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%AD%E0%A9%81']ਸਭੁ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BF%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%81']ਗੋਬਿੰਦੁ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%88']ਹੈ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BF%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A6']ਗੋਬਿੰਦ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81']ਬਿਨੁ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%80']ਨਹੀ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%88']ਕੋਈ [/URL]॥ Sabẖ gobinḏ hai sabẖ gobinḏ hai gobinḏ bin nahī ko▫ī. God is everything, God is everything. Without God, there is nothing at all. [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81']ਸੂਤੁ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%8F%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%81']ਏਕੁ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%BF']ਮਣਿ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A4']ਸਤ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%B8']ਸਹੰਸ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%88%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%87']ਜੈਸੇ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%93%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF']ਓਤਿ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF']ਪੋਤਿ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AD%E0%A9%81']ਪ੍ਰਭੁ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%88']ਸੋਈ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A5%A5%E0%A9%A7%E0%A5%A5']॥੧॥ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%89']ਰਹਾਉ [/URL]॥ Sūṯ ek maṇ saṯ sahaʼns jaise oṯ poṯ parabẖ so▫ī. ||1|| rahā▫o. As one thread holds hundreds and thousands of beads, He is woven into His creation. ||1||Pause|| Page The following verse is from our 9th Guru who gave his life to demonstrate the acceptance of Hindus as Hindus, in this case, Kashmiri Pundits.. Page 1427 [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%95']ਸਲੋਕ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BE']ਮਹਲਾ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A9%AF']੯ [/URL]॥ Salok mėhlā 9. Shalok, Ninth Mehl: [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%98%E0%A8%9F']ਘਟ ਘਟ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%88']ਮੈ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF']ਹਰਿ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%82']ਜੂ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%88']ਬਸੈ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%A8']ਸੰਤਨ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%93']ਕਹਿਓ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF']ਪੁਕਾਰਿ [/URL]॥ Gẖat gẖat mai har jū basai sanṯan kahi▫o pukār. The Dear Lord abides in each and every heart; the Saints proclaim this as true. [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81']ਕਹੁ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%95']ਨਾਨਕ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B9']ਤਿਹ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%81']ਭਜੁ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE']ਮਨਾ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%89']ਭਉ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BF']ਨਿਧਿ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF']ਉਤਰਹਿ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF']ਪਾਰਿ [/URL]॥੧੨॥ Kaho Nānak ṯih bẖaj manā bẖa▫o niḏẖ uṯrėh pār. ||12|| Says Nanak, meditate and vibrate upon Him, and you shall cross over the terrifying world-ocean. ||12|| Page 1381. This Salok is from the Sheikh Farid, a Muslim. [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BE']ਮਹਲਾ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A9%AB']੫ [/URL]॥ Mėhlā 5. Fifth Mehl: [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AB%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%BE']ਫਰੀਦਾ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%81']ਖਾਲਕੁ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%95']ਖਲਕ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF']ਮਹਿ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%95']ਖਲਕ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%88']ਵਸੈ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AC']ਰਬ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF']ਮਾਹਿ [/URL]॥ Farīḏā kẖālak kẖalak mėh kẖalak vasai rab māhi. Fareed, the Creator is in the Creation, and the Creation abides in God. [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%BE']ਮੰਦਾ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8']ਕਿਸ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%8B']ਨੋ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%90']ਆਖੀਐ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%82']ਜਾਂ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81']ਤਿਸੁ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81']ਬਿਨੁ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%88']ਕੋਈ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF']ਨਾਹਿ [/URL]॥੭੫॥ Manḏā kis no ākẖī▫ai jāʼn ṯis bin ko▫ī nāhi. ||75|| Whom can we call bad? There is none without Him. ||75 Above are just a few examples of many many verses in SGGS which teaches us the acceptance of all. There are in-numerous examples like that in the SGGS, our only Guru. Let's do this the other way around. Please post the Shabad/s from the SGGS which show your belief in reincarnation. It would be easier for us to interact about the Shabad/s then. I would like to point out one thing though. Acknowledgment of a belief by our Gurus in SGGS does not in anyway means acceptance of the belief mentioned. I have no idea what you mean by "consistent, accurate and above all factual information". As you very well know that Gurbani is written in poetry. And as I mentioned in slide # 6: Music has a powerful universal message. It crosses all borders and cultures. It makes one dance from the within. It also makes a common person sing along and memorise the message of goodness. Poetry is like a prism with multiple angles. Let's take Gurbani as the example. As we evolve with time, our understanding of Gurbani also evolves with it. We end of seeing the same Shabad from multiple angles rather that just a few as we did in the beginning.For me this is the true meaning of Nitnem and doing Sehaj Paath repeatedly. Thus, the interpretation becomes subjective, with the Gurmat principles as the centre for us all Having said that, I agree with you that we must have an easily understandable Gurbani with the universal consensus sans any biblical slant that we can interpret depending on our own Gurmat journey which I have been advocating for years in this wonderful forum. Will wait for the Shabads about reincarnation from you. Thanks once again for taking interest in this. Regards Tejwant Singh [/QUOTE]
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