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<blockquote data-quote="spnadmin" data-source="post: 97695" data-attributes="member: 35"><p>You know sadhu ji,</p><p></p><p>Gurbani is "silent" on many aspects of sexuality. And it is explicit when it does speak about sexuality. So far you have heard in this thread that moderation and control of lust is the key. Finding balance as a householder is the goal. There is some examples in Guruji that stands out in my mind as a good example of this point. These occur in shabads where Guruji refers to adulterers or prostitutes:</p><p></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen">ਚੋਰਾ ਜਾਰਾ ਰੰਡੀਆ ਕੁਟਣੀਆ ਦੀਬਾਣੁ ॥ਵੇਦੀਨਾ ਕੀ ਦੋਸਤੀ ਵੇਦੀਨਾ ਕਾ ਖਾਣੁ ॥</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"> choraa jaaraa randdeeaa kuttaneeaa dheebaan || vaedheenaa kee dhosathee vaedheenaa kaa khaan ||</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"> Thieves, adulterers,</span><span style="color: DarkGreen"> prostitutes and pimps, make friendships with the unrighteous, and eat with the unrighteous.</span> (Ang 790)</p><p></p><p>But you know that in the shabad the point made is not a speech against prostitutes or even against adultery per se. The point made is that something negative and repressive happens when a person dwells in the life-style of adulterers, prostitutes and pimps -- that person becomes spiritually degraded. <span style="color: DarkGreen">ਦੁਰਮਤਿ ਮਦੁ ਜੋ ਪੀਵਤੇ ਬਿਖਲੀ ਪਤਿ ਕਮਲੀ ॥ </span><span style="color: DarkGreen">dhuramath madh jo peevathae bikhalee path kamalee || </span><span style="color: DarkGreen">Those fools, who drink in the wine of evil-mindedness, become the husbands of prostitutes.</span><span style="color: DarkGreen"> (Ang 399)</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span> </p><p>Another example, </p><p></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen">ਚਿਤਵਤ ਪਾਪ ਨ ਆਲਕੁ ਆਵੈ ॥ </span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen">chithavath paap n aalak aavai ||</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen">The mortal does not hesitate to think about sin.</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"> </span><span style="color: DarkGreen"> ਬੇਸੁਆ ਭਜਤ ਕਿਛੁ ਨਹ ਸਰਮਾਵੈ ॥ </span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen">baesuaa bhajath kishh neh saramaavai ||</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen">He is not ashamed to spend time with</span><span style="color: DarkGreen"> prostitutes.</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span> <span style="color: DarkGreen"> ਸਾਰੋ ਦਿਨਸੁ ਮਜੂਰੀ ਕਰੈ ॥ </span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen">saaro dhinas majooree karai ||</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen">He works all day long,</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"> </span><span style="color: DarkGreen"> ਹਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਨ ਕੀ ਵੇਲਾ ਬਜਰ ਸਿਰਿ ਪਰੈ ॥੧॥ </span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen">har simaran kee vaelaa bajar sir parai ||1||</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen">but when it is time to remember the Lord, then a heavy stone falls on his head. ||1|| (Ang 1143)</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="color: Black"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="color: Black">Guruji does not lecture in this Shabad, but points out that the price one pays is high when one is not mindful of the toll of wanton sexuality. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="spnadmin, post: 97695, member: 35"] You know sadhu ji, Gurbani is "silent" on many aspects of sexuality. And it is explicit when it does speak about sexuality. So far you have heard in this thread that moderation and control of lust is the key. Finding balance as a householder is the goal. There is some examples in Guruji that stands out in my mind as a good example of this point. These occur in shabads where Guruji refers to adulterers or prostitutes: [COLOR=DarkGreen]ਚੋਰਾ ਜਾਰਾ ਰੰਡੀਆ ਕੁਟਣੀਆ ਦੀਬਾਣੁ ॥ਵੇਦੀਨਾ ਕੀ ਦੋਸਤੀ ਵੇਦੀਨਾ ਕਾ ਖਾਣੁ ॥ choraa jaaraa randdeeaa kuttaneeaa dheebaan || vaedheenaa kee dhosathee vaedheenaa kaa khaan || Thieves, adulterers,[/COLOR][COLOR=DarkGreen] prostitutes and pimps, make friendships with the unrighteous, and eat with the unrighteous.[/COLOR] (Ang 790) But you know that in the shabad the point made is not a speech against prostitutes or even against adultery per se. The point made is that something negative and repressive happens when a person dwells in the life-style of adulterers, prostitutes and pimps -- that person becomes spiritually degraded. [COLOR=DarkGreen]ਦੁਰਮਤਿ ਮਦੁ ਜੋ ਪੀਵਤੇ ਬਿਖਲੀ ਪਤਿ ਕਮਲੀ ॥ [/COLOR][COLOR=DarkGreen]dhuramath madh jo peevathae bikhalee path kamalee || [/COLOR][COLOR=DarkGreen]Those fools, who drink in the wine of evil-mindedness, become the husbands of prostitutes.[/COLOR][COLOR=DarkGreen] (Ang 399) [/COLOR] Another example, [COLOR=DarkGreen]ਚਿਤਵਤ ਪਾਪ ਨ ਆਲਕੁ ਆਵੈ ॥ chithavath paap n aalak aavai || The mortal does not hesitate to think about sin. [/COLOR][COLOR=DarkGreen] ਬੇਸੁਆ ਭਜਤ ਕਿਛੁ ਨਹ ਸਰਮਾਵੈ ॥ baesuaa bhajath kishh neh saramaavai || He is not ashamed to spend time with[/COLOR][COLOR=DarkGreen] prostitutes. [/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkGreen] ਸਾਰੋ ਦਿਨਸੁ ਮਜੂਰੀ ਕਰੈ ॥ saaro dhinas majooree karai || He works all day long, [/COLOR][COLOR=DarkGreen] ਹਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਨ ਕੀ ਵੇਲਾ ਬਜਰ ਸਿਰਿ ਪਰੈ ॥੧॥ har simaran kee vaelaa bajar sir parai ||1|| but when it is time to remember the Lord, then a heavy stone falls on his head. ||1|| (Ang 1143) [COLOR=Black] Guruji does not lecture in this Shabad, but points out that the price one pays is high when one is not mindful of the toll of wanton sexuality. [/COLOR] [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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