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Composition, Arrangement & Layout
ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="Ambarsaria" data-source="post: 140312" data-attributes="member: 14194"><p>Parkash S. Bagga ji thanks for your post and insights.</p><p></p><p>I would like to know from you and Aman Singh ji as to your ranking of the most appropriate translation existing todate in the following categories:</p><p></p><p></p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Gurmukhi to Gurmakhi<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I have been lately reading parts of Prof. Sahib Singh ji's Viakaran and Professor Sahib have indicated his own limits in interpreting noting the following,<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Translation no matter how accurate can be tainted on translator's training, upbringing and knowledge</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The Gurbani contents cover a span of almost 500 years taking Baba Farid ji's portion into account<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Professor Sahib Singh ji note that Punjabi itself changed over that time span and one needs to sink into that mental space and time to do justice</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The references to Hindu, Islam practices and stories about various dieties in Hinduism are very difficult to translate in meaning unless one has studied or good understanding of those myths/novels/writings<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Professor Sahib Singh ji has added lot of great explanations to elaborate where these occur so that people get better essence of the translation/arths</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I personally am pretty deficient in this area other than Ram lellah level understanding of Ramayan from watching these Ram lellah plays around Diwali in Amritsar</li> </ul></li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Would I be fair to assign the following ranking and I would like to get a list of say top 3,<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Professor Sahib Singh ji Viakaran</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">?</li> </ol></li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Gurmukhi to English<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">This is a much simpler task if one basis it on a reference work as identified in 1 above</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Even I can translate some shabads say from Professor Sahib Singh ji's Viakaran<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Some of the translations I have seen tend to be virtually literal or near to literal versus what Professor Sahib Singh ji's Viakaran which does literal, transcribed to prose and finally translated to essence.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Professor Sahib Singh ji point out that unless you see and read Guru Granth Sahib ji as in the following that you will not be successful in understanding Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji,<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">As written -> literal simplified meaning -> essence of the sloak -> then the complete Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji</li> </ul></li> </ul></li> </ul></li> </ul></li> </ol><p>I appreciate your comments, inputs and guidance in this regard.</p><p></p><p>Sat Sri Akal</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ambarsaria, post: 140312, member: 14194"] Parkash S. Bagga ji thanks for your post and insights. I would like to know from you and Aman Singh ji as to your ranking of the most appropriate translation existing todate in the following categories: [LIST=1] [*]Gurmukhi to Gurmakhi [LIST] [*]I have been lately reading parts of Prof. Sahib Singh ji's Viakaran and Professor Sahib have indicated his own limits in interpreting noting the following, [LIST] [*]Translation no matter how accurate can be tainted on translator's training, upbringing and knowledge [*]The Gurbani contents cover a span of almost 500 years taking Baba Farid ji's portion into account [LIST] [*]Professor Sahib Singh ji note that Punjabi itself changed over that time span and one needs to sink into that mental space and time to do justice [/LIST] [*]The references to Hindu, Islam practices and stories about various dieties in Hinduism are very difficult to translate in meaning unless one has studied or good understanding of those myths/novels/writings [LIST] [*]Professor Sahib Singh ji has added lot of great explanations to elaborate where these occur so that people get better essence of the translation/arths [*]I personally am pretty deficient in this area other than Ram lellah level understanding of Ramayan from watching these Ram lellah plays around Diwali in Amritsar [/LIST] [/LIST] [*]Would I be fair to assign the following ranking and I would like to get a list of say top 3, [LIST=1] [*]Professor Sahib Singh ji Viakaran [*]? [*]? [/LIST] [/LIST] [*]Gurmukhi to English [LIST] [*]This is a much simpler task if one basis it on a reference work as identified in 1 above [*]Even I can translate some shabads say from Professor Sahib Singh ji's Viakaran [LIST] [*]Some of the translations I have seen tend to be virtually literal or near to literal versus what Professor Sahib Singh ji's Viakaran which does literal, transcribed to prose and finally translated to essence. [LIST] [*]Professor Sahib Singh ji point out that unless you see and read Guru Granth Sahib ji as in the following that you will not be successful in understanding Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, [LIST] [*]As written -> literal simplified meaning -> essence of the sloak -> then the complete Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji [/LIST] [/LIST] [/LIST] [/LIST] [/LIST] I appreciate your comments, inputs and guidance in this regard. Sat Sri Akal [/QUOTE]
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