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<blockquote data-quote="pk70" data-source="post: 91236" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p><strong>I have read advocates of different religions comparing their religions with the science; I find it disturbing and out of context. If ever there are references about the reality of universe, and its origin in the religious scriptures, it has nothing to do with the scientific search to prove what is claimed. Guru Nanak went further to satisfy the curious mind about all this. He openly declares HE is <u>Infinite</u>, how you can measure the Infinite as Science is trying(and will never succeed, it is that simple, already they argue over one after another theory). Guru Nanak calls Him<u> inexpressible</u>, how any one can express Him truthfully. Guru Nanak keeps the Lord and His seen and unseen creation a part of Him, that is another brilliant insight to stop the mind getting into assumptions and to chase assumptions. His main goal is to keep the soul on a track with a longing to merge with its origin so that its coming and going stops. I am proud of Guru Nanak Dev ji who, while addressing on these questions, kept the purity of the Lord to His highest level. </strong></p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center">It is my considered opinion that <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank">Sikh</a> Cosmology as enunciated in GGS has been found to be most scientific and compatible with the modern cosmological theories of science.</p> </p><p> <strong> God doesn’t need to be scientific, He doesn’t need approval of scientists. He is a reality, only those come to know who experience Him. Story starts and ends right here, the rests are assumptions on the part of others who want to be in a race to prove Sikh Religion a scientific as others like Muslims, Christians and Hindus do.</strong></p><p> <strong>Lets start with the following. (Note:All quotes are taken from H.S Virk Ji’s article)</strong></p><p> In SGGS, it is also mentioned by Bhagat Namdev [19] that forty two lakh species exist in water and the same number may exist on land. Science has failed to confirm this hypothesis. </p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">bieAwlIs lK jI jl mih hoqy bITlu BYlw kwie krau]</span></p> </p><p> <strong>These forty eight lacs incarnations are used to express different kinds of known lives; this word was prevailing before Bhagat Namdev ji. It has nothing to do with the exact numbers of species</strong>.</p><p>The message of <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/sikh-gurus/" target="_blank">Sikh Gurus</a> is enshrined in GGS. In the final analysis, we can quote a relevant stanza in support of biological evolution of species [20]: (quote from the article)</p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center">In so many incarnations, you were a worm and an insect;</p> </p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center">In so many incarnations, you were an elephant, a fish and a deer;</p> </p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center">In so many incarnations, you were a bird and a snake;</p> </p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center">In so many incarnations, you were yoked as an ox and a horse.</p> </p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center">Meet <em>the Lord of the Universe – now </em>is the time to meet Him.</p> </p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center">After such a long epoch, you are born as a human being.</p> </p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">keI jnm Bey kIt pqMgw]keI jnm gj mIn kurMgw ]</span></p> </p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">keI jnm pMKI srp hoieE]keI jnm hYvr ibRK joieE]</span></p> </p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">imlu jgdIs imln kI brIAw]icrMkwl ieh dyh sMjrIAw] </span></p> </p><p> </p><p> <strong>It is a journey of a soul expressed, it is not about evolution because Guru ji is not saying in favor of things which can be proven wrong. It is all about experience that doesn’t need any scientific proof. Religion is all about faith, and faith should be built on the words of the prophets, Messiah and the True Guru, later on explanations could be tainted and misleading.</strong></p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"> </p> </p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"> In <em>Japuji</em>, <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/" target="_blank">Guru Nanak</a> sums up his ideas about creation of the Universe, which he elaborates further in the most precise and scientific manner in the <em>Raga Maru Solhe</em> in GGS. The creation hypothesis is summed up as follows by <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/" target="_blank">Guru Nanak</a> [3]:</p> </p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"><em>‘God created the Universe by uttering a word.’</em></p> </p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">kIqw pswau eyko kvwau ] iqs qy hoey lK drIAwau ] </span></p> </p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"> </p> </p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"> </span>What does it says? Does it say all about big bang or any other assumption based on claims (by the scientists)? No, it is all about His Will, when He wanted, how He wanted, is created and only He knows how and when. Who try to express it on assumptions, they are ignorant. Guru’s expression is a proof of fine mind’s claim. It is clearer in the following, read on please</strong></p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"> </p> </p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"><em>‘What was the time and the moment</em></p> </p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"><em>the day and the month,</em></p> </p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"><em>When the world was created?</em></p> </p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">kvxu su vylw vKqu kvxu kvxu iQiq kvxu vwru ]</span></p> </p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">kvix is ruqI mwhu kvxu ijqu hoAw Awkwru ]</span></p> </p><p> In the next stanza, <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/" target="_blank">Guru Nanak</a> provides the answer [5]:</p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"><em>‘Neither the Pundit can find this date</em></p> </p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"><em>by looking through the Purana texts,</em></p> </p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"><em>Nor can the Qazi tell from the Koran,</em></p> </p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"><em>Neither the Yogi nor any one else knows</em></p> </p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"><em>The day, weak, season and month of creation,</em></p> </p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"><strong><em><span style="color: red">The creator who creates the World,</span></em></strong></p> </p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"><strong><em><span style="color: red">He alone knows the time’</span><span style="color: black">( THIS IS THE ANSWER THINK ABOUT IT)</span></em></strong></p> </p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">vyl n pweIAw pMfqI ij hovY lyKu purwxu ]</span></p> </p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">vKqu n pwieE kwdIAw ij ilKin lyKu kurwx ]</span></p> </p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">iQiq vwru nw jogI jwxY ruiq mwhu nw koeI ]</span></p> </p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">jw krqw isrTI kau swjy Awpy jwxY soeI ]</span></p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/" target="_blank">Guru Nanak</a> does not want to formulate any hypothesis based on false assumptions and leaves this question open. </p><p> <strong><span style="color: black"><u>Thanks, neither we need to have claims filled with assumptions.</u></span></strong></p><p> The creation process is started under the command of God, the creator of the universe. The <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank">Guru</a> envisages the creation of the</p><p> <strong>That is the eternal truth; the Truth Guru has defined is very crystal clear, to taint it with imaginary hopes is not fair to Guru Nanak’s high caliber. </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>TO BE CONTINUED</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pk70, post: 91236, member: 5889"] [B]I have read advocates of different religions comparing their religions with the science; I find it disturbing and out of context. If ever there are references about the reality of universe, and its origin in the religious scriptures, it has nothing to do with the scientific search to prove what is claimed. Guru Nanak went further to satisfy the curious mind about all this. He openly declares HE is [U]Infinite[/U], how you can measure the Infinite as Science is trying(and will never succeed, it is that simple, already they argue over one after another theory). Guru Nanak calls Him[U] inexpressible[/U], how any one can express Him truthfully. Guru Nanak keeps the Lord and His seen and unseen creation a part of Him, that is another brilliant insight to stop the mind getting into assumptions and to chase assumptions. His main goal is to keep the soul on a track with a longing to merge with its origin so that its coming and going stops. I am proud of Guru Nanak Dev ji who, while addressing on these questions, kept the purity of the Lord to His highest level. [/B] [CENTER][CENTER]It is my considered opinion that [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"]Sikh[/URL] Cosmology as enunciated in GGS has been found to be most scientific and compatible with the modern cosmological theories of science.[/CENTER][/CENTER] [B] God doesn’t need to be scientific, He doesn’t need approval of scientists. He is a reality, only those come to know who experience Him. Story starts and ends right here, the rests are assumptions on the part of others who want to be in a race to prove Sikh Religion a scientific as others like Muslims, Christians and Hindus do.[/B] [B]Lets start with the following. (Note:All quotes are taken from H.S Virk Ji’s article)[/B] In SGGS, it is also mentioned by Bhagat Namdev [19] that forty two lakh species exist in water and the same number may exist on land. Science has failed to confirm this hypothesis. [CENTER][CENTER][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]bieAwlIs lK jI jl mih hoqy bITlu BYlw kwie krau][/FONT][/CENTER][/CENTER] [B]These forty eight lacs incarnations are used to express different kinds of known lives; this word was prevailing before Bhagat Namdev ji. It has nothing to do with the exact numbers of species[/B]. The message of [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/sikh-gurus/"]Sikh Gurus[/URL] is enshrined in GGS. In the final analysis, we can quote a relevant stanza in support of biological evolution of species [20]: (quote from the article) [CENTER][CENTER]In so many incarnations, you were a worm and an insect;[/CENTER][/CENTER] [CENTER][CENTER]In so many incarnations, you were an elephant, a fish and a deer;[/CENTER][/CENTER] [CENTER][CENTER]In so many incarnations, you were a bird and a snake;[/CENTER][/CENTER] [CENTER][CENTER]In so many incarnations, you were yoked as an ox and a horse.[/CENTER][/CENTER] [CENTER][CENTER]Meet [I]the Lord of the Universe – now [/I]is the time to meet Him.[/CENTER][/CENTER] [CENTER][CENTER]After such a long epoch, you are born as a human being.[/CENTER][/CENTER] [CENTER][CENTER][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]keI jnm Bey kIt pqMgw]keI jnm gj mIn kurMgw ][/FONT][/CENTER][/CENTER] [CENTER][CENTER][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]keI jnm pMKI srp hoieE]keI jnm hYvr ibRK joieE][/FONT][/CENTER][/CENTER] [CENTER][CENTER][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]imlu jgdIs imln kI brIAw]icrMkwl ieh dyh sMjrIAw] [/FONT][/CENTER][/CENTER] [FONT=GurbaniWebThick] [/FONT] [B]It is a journey of a soul expressed, it is not about evolution because Guru ji is not saying in favor of things which can be proven wrong. It is all about experience that doesn’t need any scientific proof. Religion is all about faith, and faith should be built on the words of the prophets, Messiah and the True Guru, later on explanations could be tainted and misleading.[/B] [CENTER][CENTER] [/CENTER][/CENTER] [CENTER][CENTER] In [I]Japuji[/I], [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/"]Guru Nanak[/URL] sums up his ideas about creation of the Universe, which he elaborates further in the most precise and scientific manner in the [I]Raga Maru Solhe[/I] in GGS. The creation hypothesis is summed up as follows by [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/"]Guru Nanak[/URL] [3]:[/CENTER][/CENTER] [CENTER][CENTER][I]‘God created the Universe by uttering a word.’[/I][/CENTER][/CENTER] [CENTER][CENTER][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]kIqw pswau eyko kvwau ] iqs qy hoey lK drIAwau ] [/FONT][/CENTER][/CENTER] [CENTER][CENTER][B][FONT=GurbaniWebThick] [/FONT][/B][/CENTER][/CENTER] [B][FONT=GurbaniWebThick] [/FONT]What does it says? Does it say all about big bang or any other assumption based on claims (by the scientists)? No, it is all about His Will, when He wanted, how He wanted, is created and only He knows how and when. Who try to express it on assumptions, they are ignorant. Guru’s expression is a proof of fine mind’s claim. It is clearer in the following, read on please[/B][B][FONT=GurbaniWebThick][/FONT][/B] [CENTER][CENTER][FONT=GurbaniWebThick] [/FONT][/CENTER][/CENTER] [CENTER][CENTER][I]‘What was the time and the moment[/I][/CENTER][/CENTER] [CENTER][CENTER][I]the day and the month,[/I][/CENTER][/CENTER] [CENTER][CENTER][I]When the world was created?[/I][/CENTER][/CENTER] [CENTER][CENTER][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]kvxu su vylw vKqu kvxu kvxu iQiq kvxu vwru ][/FONT][/CENTER][/CENTER] [CENTER][CENTER][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]kvix is ruqI mwhu kvxu ijqu hoAw Awkwru ][/FONT][/CENTER][/CENTER] In the next stanza, [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/"]Guru Nanak[/URL] provides the answer [5]: [CENTER][CENTER][I]‘Neither the Pundit can find this date[/I][/CENTER][/CENTER] [CENTER][CENTER][I]by looking through the Purana texts,[/I][/CENTER][/CENTER] [CENTER][CENTER][I]Nor can the Qazi tell from the Koran,[/I][/CENTER][/CENTER] [CENTER][CENTER][I]Neither the Yogi nor any one else knows[/I][/CENTER][/CENTER] [CENTER][CENTER][I]The day, weak, season and month of creation,[/I][/CENTER][/CENTER] [CENTER][CENTER][B][I][COLOR=red]The creator who creates the World,[/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/B][/CENTER][/CENTER] [CENTER][CENTER][B][I][COLOR=red]He alone knows the time’[/COLOR][COLOR=black]( THIS IS THE ANSWER THINK ABOUT IT)[/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/B][/CENTER][/CENTER] [CENTER][CENTER][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]vyl n pweIAw pMfqI ij hovY lyKu purwxu ][/FONT][/CENTER][/CENTER] [CENTER][CENTER][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]vKqu n pwieE kwdIAw ij ilKin lyKu kurwx ][/FONT][/CENTER][/CENTER] [CENTER][CENTER][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]iQiq vwru nw jogI jwxY ruiq mwhu nw koeI ][/FONT][/CENTER][/CENTER] [CENTER][CENTER][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]jw krqw isrTI kau swjy Awpy jwxY soeI ][/FONT][/CENTER][/CENTER] [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/"]Guru Nanak[/URL] does not want to formulate any hypothesis based on false assumptions and leaves this question open. [B][COLOR=black][U]Thanks, neither we need to have claims filled with assumptions.[/U][/COLOR][/B] The creation process is started under the command of God, the creator of the universe. The [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"]Guru[/URL] envisages the creation of the [B]That is the eternal truth; the Truth Guru has defined is very crystal clear, to taint it with imaginary hopes is not fair to Guru Nanak’s high caliber. [/B] [B]TO BE CONTINUED[/B] [/QUOTE]
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