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It will save time if I do not have to look this up.[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]My Lord, it is strange that the people of Kalyug (dark age or the age of falsehood) have developed the attitude of a dog and they take pleasure in swallowing ill-gotten things. The rulers commit sins and those who a herdsmen, are killing the sheep themselves. The people being ignorant are not in a position to discriminate between truth and falsehood. Those who pose as benefactors are engaged in amassir wealth by fraudulent means. Love between man and woman based on money, they meet at pleasure and depart at will. The Qazi who occupies the seat of justice, accepts bribes and then pass injustice orders.[/FONT]
The writings in Poanta Sahib where operation Bluestar is mentioned by Tenth soverign King is " Mangal Prakash" where Guru Sahib prophesied events in India and half of it has become True and rest is yet to happen.
As I have said earlier prophesies are not part of Sikh religion but
as I have quoted a prophesy from Guru Granth Sahib ji, I don't why you are
ready to accept this fact and I don't beleive in prophesies myself if something is their it's a basic fact, turning blind eye on it, is something
we should be aware.
Gurfateh Ji,
Thanks for you're views but I'll try my best to explain the History of Mangal
Prakash hopefully it'll make more sense about this topic 1984 and others.
History of Mangal Prakash is part of sau sakhis which was handed down to
Bhai Sahib Daya Singh ji and used to tell the abt sayings of Guru to Baba
Gurbax Singh ji Ram Kaur ( From the family of Baba Budha ji) Though Sikh
religion does not beleive in prophesies but here is the answer
Mangal Prakash
A prophesy of Sahib Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj
For the protection of the weak ,
the Panth was started
The Singhs will turn to them for help,
The rulers of the country will have no Dharma,
They will oppress it's people
God will become upset (at this situation),
battle will begin in Harmandar Sahib
Many outsiders will die ( Indian soldiers)
The Singhs shall display their pride of the Guru
A Khalsa will fortify the Harmandar Sahib ( Sant
Jarnail Singh Bhinderwale)
The rule ( of tyranny) will be a widow ( Indira Gandhi)
(Their will be so much killing that) the horses
blood will be soaked in ( Harmandar),
After being divided and going through many
struggles The Khalsa will eventually become reunited,
They shall again stand (as an army).
So this is the proof which links operation Bluestar of 1984 and I hope it
will start to make more sense. Our Guru Sahib didn't wrote prophesy but
didn't mean that they have no idea what is going to happen in fact they
everything and the above verses proves that Sant Jarnail Singh Khalsa
Bhinderwale was predistened to come in this world.
Actuaaly you might not be aware their is one prophesy is given even in Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj the coming of Babar ( The Mughual invader)
and eventually defeat of od the Mughuls is prophesized by Guru Nanak
Sahib ji and proven to have been absolutely correct.
" Coming in seventy-eight ( 1521 C.E.) they will depart in 97 and then the
brave man will rise up. Nanak speaks the word of Truth, he proclaims the
Truth at this for it now the time for Truth". ( Sri Guru Granth Sahib)
Guru Sahib knew that other religions before Sikhi used the way of prophesies to convert people but in Sikh religion realization is given more
emphasis that's why their are not to many prophesies is not Included in Sikh scripture.
I hope it answers some of your're queries which others might have like way
of looking things to make beleive what you see and what politicans say
but Sikh and politics is inseperable because Akal Takth is supreme seat of
Sikh Dharam religion is discussed as well as it is nevrve centre of Discussing politics. But others should look that their is also a religious aspect that Operation bluestar was not made out of the blue their is more
to it what others might actuaaly think.
Regards
Gurveen Singh
Since I am using blue as my color for moderation, not personal posting, I have changed your font colors. Narayanjot Kaur
maskin ji
Forgive me for being a suspicious person. Too many years on the Internet has done this to me.
I have suspected for some time that you and guvreen ji may be working in cahoots. This bit evidence makes my suspicions stronger. You quoted a post by gurveen ji using blue fonts, in your comments above. Timewise, this occurred AFTER I had changed the fonts of Gurveen's post from blue to black. That is not a violation of TOS at SPN, but certainly a quaint development. Everything has now been edited and is black.
Along the same lines, any posting from this point onward about prophesy, Sau Sakhi's, Sant Jarnail Singh's prophetic powers, or Maha Prakash will be construed as an attempt to derail the conversation into a different direction.
For example,
" Coming in seventy-eight ( 1521 C.E.) they will depart in 97 and then the
brave man will rise up. Nanak speaks the word of Truth, he proclaims the
Truth at this for it now the time for Truth". ( Sri Guru Granth Sahib)
Guru Sahib knew that other religions before Sikhi used the way of prophesies to convert people but in Sikh religion realization is given more
emphasis that's why their are not to many prophesies is not Included in Sikh scripture.
BTW. You have not given the Ang for "they will depart in 97. And so you have tried to mislead SPN members because you have omitted that date associated with " they will depart in 97 and then the brave man will rise up."
Ang 723, ਆਵਨਿ ਅਠਤਰੈ ਜਾਨਿ ਸਤਾਨਵੈ ਹੋਰੁ ਭੀ ਉਠਸੀ ਮਰਦ ਕਾ ਚੇਲਾ ॥
aavan athatharai jaan sathaanavai hor bhee outhasee maradh kaa chaelaa ||
Coming in seventy-eight (1521 A.D.), they will depart in ninety-seven (1540 A.D.), and then another disciple of man will rise up.
Such comments have nothing to do with Saint Jarnail ji, and further mockery of our intelligence will either be deleted or discussions will become a new thread.
Warning. Infractions to follow if this continues.
1. There is not even annecdotal evidence that Guru Gobind Singh wrote and/or handed down the Sau Sakhis, including Mangal Prakash.I don't why you're stuck Mangal Prakash and ignoring other facts. I know Sikh religion does not beleive in prophesy but you should know that all aspects of Sikh religion. Mangal Prakash is written by Tenth Master in Poanta Sahib and it was one of his writings handed down included in Sau Sakhis. Now Sau Sakhis gives us the account on life of ourGurus just Muslims has Hadith saying of their prophet now you're trying to tell me we should reject sau sakhis which included Mangal Prakash which to some extent describes events happened in 1984 it does not mean we should accept it but it just broaden the specturm in order to understand 1984 nothing else.