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ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="Gyani Jarnail Singh" data-source="post: 5048" data-attributes="member: 189"><p><strong>Re: Sardar Ji..aisa Hona Hee Thaa</strong></p><p></p><p> </p><p>Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji ki Fateh.</p><p>Here goes:</p><p>1. We are at this low point because we have disregarded the GURU's HUKMs..on a.) Self Discipline - that is we dont do amrit vela/nitnem/</p><p>b.) We have degenerated into slouches who like to drink and dance in public</p><p>c.) We have become ritualistic, superstitious lot who depend on Sants/babas for a "quick fix" salvation magic formulas and waste our time in idle rituals which are a waste of funds</p><p>d.)We have neglected our own Language</p><p>e.) We have not pushed for Computers and Internet as a Vital Tool for the 21st century....almost NIL Gurdwaras and Punjabi Schools are having any compters and connected to the Internet</p><p>f.) We have neglected Gatka and other Martial Arts which was a requirement of the GURU ...but look at how others are attending Tae kwan do tai chee/karate etc by the millions. Apart from the health benefits these build character</p><p>g.) We spend far too much on SHOW OFF weddings and langgars - drains the entire community</p><p>h.)We have turned into a community of turncoats and traitors..look at how many so called Sikh Leaders can be bought over..that is a result of our moral degradation..because beleive it or not this also works on the Computer principle of GIGO _ Garbage in Garbage Out...I mean IF the entire Pool of the Community is full of spineless backless people...then whoever rises to become a Leader from that Pool will soon be bought over/turn traitor and start making for himself....we have had such a long list of leaders...not one can stand as uncoruptible/morally strong/</p><p>h.) We are wasting so much Community Funds on Gold domes marble gurdwaras...serious funding for schools, orphanages, factories, Press and media stations, for the upliftment of the community is not coming through.We as a community have far outpaced the Hindu mandirs of old that attracted the Foreign invaders due to their Gold Domes. India is world known as the greatest HOARDER of GOLD... adn now the Sikh Community is the Worlds leader in HOARDING GOLD.....which has absolutley NO BENEFIT to the Community and locks up the money in an unproductive asset.</p><p>i.) we argue no end about a complete NON ISSUE of meat VS Vegetarianism..with every Sant baba stressing this at every diwan endlessly..BUT NO ONE dares even mention ALCOHOL and its sister BHANGRA which are the twin banes of every "SIKH" wedding. Sikhs are consuming more and more Alcohol per capita..and ALCOHOL is NOT a NON ISSUE as MEAT because ALCOHOL is Clearly and uneqivocally BANNED and CONDEMNED in GURBANI. Alcohol and MEAT are interconnected....why the undue stress on one and not the other -GURBANI has no problem with MEAT as a FOOD...but alcohol is no where regarded as a "food" and not permitted under any circumstances....but we "allow" alcohol by ignoring it and under the influence of brahmnawaad lay too much stress on MEAT.</p><p> </p><p>Note:</p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black">I am aware that all the issues discussed in this article are dear and near to each and every one of us...no matter if one is a "pakka Amrtidharee" and one is less pakka or even has short hair etc....every SIKH or person who has some SIKHI blood in his veins is hurt by the condition our community is in.</span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: black">Off hand this is what we all have to attempt FIRST and Foremost..</span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: black">1. As I said We as a community have wandered so far away from our roots that we are a "lost" community...no direction, no commitment.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black">All of us should make an comitment to go back to our roots - the basic simple sikhi stressing love and compassion that the Guurs practised. Now a days we have become more and more intolerant of differing views. we must make a concerted effort to get back in touch with our LANGUAGE - Punjabi...then can only we learn for ourselves what our GURUS have written for us. Guru Ji says this is: PIO DADEH DA KHAZANAH... the Treasure of our Forefathers....and we have the "treasure MAP"..but we dont have a clue as to what it all means. Any sane person that gets hold of a "treasure map" will do his utmost to try and decipher what the map says.... we are content ot keep this Valuable Map wrapped up in valuable Rumallas, do chaur sewa, matha tek, build GOLD Palkis, Gold Domes,....BUT are not at all interested in OPENING the MAP to "read" and "understand" what it says so that we can avail ourselves of the vast treasure. This is the KEY to understanding the Divine Message of sarbatt da bhalla, tolerance and Love that GURU JI preached..IF we cant bring ourselves to LOVE fellow SIKHS..how can we even pretend to say we "love" all humankind ?? That LIE that we live in day in and day out is weakening our spirit. The Sikhs of 200 years ago LIVED GURBANI...so a Single Sikh could fight 125,000...TODAY we LIVE a LIE, pretence, dikhawa.bhekh,...thats why 125,000 SIKHS ( LIONS) perished at the hands of mobs of sheep . We DONT understand GURBANI... thats why we have different Jathbandis, deras, taksals, different amrits, maryadas, ... we say we dont have "castes"..but we have created NEW Castes...Hazoori Singh, Taksali Singh, AKJ Singh, SGPC Singh....ON TOP of our OLD CASTES of Jatt Phhappa ravidassia chhembaa etc.which continue to "run underground" This is because we have failed miserably to grasp the MESSAGE of GURBANI...and ultimately this fault is traceable to US...because we failed to STUDY GURBANI ourselves and instead depend on others...some baba Ji/maharaj ji/ Sant Ji/ brahmgianai ji/ etc etc to "TELL" us what gurbani means. IN Guru Jis times people who were not even SIKH knew Gurbani by heart.... today many Sikhs dont even know what is Japji sahib..or the names of the 10 Gurus ..</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black">2. Every SIKH must make a concerted effort to study and use the modern mediums of COMPUTERS and INTERNET. This is the strongest modern weapon to fight superstition and illiteracy in Religion. No Sikh should have an excuse not to know computers and the internet...this is the best way to spread knowledge and create networking among us</span></p><p></p><p> </p><p>This is a brief summary of the ills of our community. There are many others but let them be exposed as well.</p><p> </p><p>With Love and respect towards all</p><p> </p><p>Jarnail Singh</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gyani Jarnail Singh, post: 5048, member: 189"] [b]Re: Sardar Ji..aisa Hona Hee Thaa[/b] Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji ki Fateh. Here goes: 1. We are at this low point because we have disregarded the GURU's HUKMs..on a.) Self Discipline - that is we dont do amrit vela/nitnem/ b.) We have degenerated into slouches who like to drink and dance in public c.) We have become ritualistic, superstitious lot who depend on Sants/babas for a "quick fix" salvation magic formulas and waste our time in idle rituals which are a waste of funds d.)We have neglected our own Language e.) We have not pushed for Computers and Internet as a Vital Tool for the 21st century....almost NIL Gurdwaras and Punjabi Schools are having any compters and connected to the Internet f.) We have neglected Gatka and other Martial Arts which was a requirement of the GURU ...but look at how others are attending Tae kwan do tai chee/karate etc by the millions. Apart from the health benefits these build character g.) We spend far too much on SHOW OFF weddings and langgars - drains the entire community h.)We have turned into a community of turncoats and traitors..look at how many so called Sikh Leaders can be bought over..that is a result of our moral degradation..because beleive it or not this also works on the Computer principle of GIGO _ Garbage in Garbage Out...I mean IF the entire Pool of the Community is full of spineless backless people...then whoever rises to become a Leader from that Pool will soon be bought over/turn traitor and start making for himself....we have had such a long list of leaders...not one can stand as uncoruptible/morally strong/ h.) We are wasting so much Community Funds on Gold domes marble gurdwaras...serious funding for schools, orphanages, factories, Press and media stations, for the upliftment of the community is not coming through.We as a community have far outpaced the Hindu mandirs of old that attracted the Foreign invaders due to their Gold Domes. India is world known as the greatest HOARDER of GOLD... adn now the Sikh Community is the Worlds leader in HOARDING GOLD.....which has absolutley NO BENEFIT to the Community and locks up the money in an unproductive asset. i.) we argue no end about a complete NON ISSUE of meat VS Vegetarianism..with every Sant baba stressing this at every diwan endlessly..BUT NO ONE dares even mention ALCOHOL and its sister BHANGRA which are the twin banes of every "SIKH" wedding. Sikhs are consuming more and more Alcohol per capita..and ALCOHOL is NOT a NON ISSUE as MEAT because ALCOHOL is Clearly and uneqivocally BANNED and CONDEMNED in GURBANI. Alcohol and MEAT are interconnected....why the undue stress on one and not the other -GURBANI has no problem with MEAT as a FOOD...but alcohol is no where regarded as a "food" and not permitted under any circumstances....but we "allow" alcohol by ignoring it and under the influence of brahmnawaad lay too much stress on MEAT. Note: [color=black]I am aware that all the issues discussed in this article are dear and near to each and every one of us...no matter if one is a "pakka Amrtidharee" and one is less pakka or even has short hair etc....every SIKH or person who has some SIKHI blood in his veins is hurt by the condition our community is in.[/color] [color=black] [/color] [color=black]Off hand this is what we all have to attempt FIRST and Foremost..[/color] [color=black] [/color] [color=black]1. As I said We as a community have wandered so far away from our roots that we are a "lost" community...no direction, no commitment.[/color] [color=black]All of us should make an comitment to go back to our roots - the basic simple sikhi stressing love and compassion that the Guurs practised. Now a days we have become more and more intolerant of differing views. we must make a concerted effort to get back in touch with our LANGUAGE - Punjabi...then can only we learn for ourselves what our GURUS have written for us. Guru Ji says this is: PIO DADEH DA KHAZANAH... the Treasure of our Forefathers....and we have the "treasure MAP"..but we dont have a clue as to what it all means. Any sane person that gets hold of a "treasure map" will do his utmost to try and decipher what the map says.... we are content ot keep this Valuable Map wrapped up in valuable Rumallas, do chaur sewa, matha tek, build GOLD Palkis, Gold Domes,....BUT are not at all interested in OPENING the MAP to "read" and "understand" what it says so that we can avail ourselves of the vast treasure. This is the KEY to understanding the Divine Message of sarbatt da bhalla, tolerance and Love that GURU JI preached..IF we cant bring ourselves to LOVE fellow SIKHS..how can we even pretend to say we "love" all humankind ?? That LIE that we live in day in and day out is weakening our spirit. The Sikhs of 200 years ago LIVED GURBANI...so a Single Sikh could fight 125,000...TODAY we LIVE a LIE, pretence, dikhawa.bhekh,...thats why 125,000 SIKHS ( LIONS) perished at the hands of mobs of sheep . We DONT understand GURBANI... thats why we have different Jathbandis, deras, taksals, different amrits, maryadas, ... we say we dont have "castes"..but we have created NEW Castes...Hazoori Singh, Taksali Singh, AKJ Singh, SGPC Singh....ON TOP of our OLD CASTES of Jatt Phhappa ravidassia chhembaa etc.which continue to "run underground" This is because we have failed miserably to grasp the MESSAGE of GURBANI...and ultimately this fault is traceable to US...because we failed to STUDY GURBANI ourselves and instead depend on others...some baba Ji/maharaj ji/ Sant Ji/ brahmgianai ji/ etc etc to "TELL" us what gurbani means. IN Guru Jis times people who were not even SIKH knew Gurbani by heart.... today many Sikhs dont even know what is Japji sahib..or the names of the 10 Gurus ..[/color] [color=black]2. Every SIKH must make a concerted effort to study and use the modern mediums of COMPUTERS and INTERNET. This is the strongest modern weapon to fight superstition and illiteracy in Religion. No Sikh should have an excuse not to know computers and the internet...this is the best way to spread knowledge and create networking among us[/color] This is a brief summary of the ills of our community. There are many others but let them be exposed as well. With Love and respect towards all Jarnail Singh [/QUOTE]
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