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<blockquote data-quote="TGill" data-source="post: 59927" data-attributes="member: 5041"><p><strong>Re: The True Guru is Revealing</strong></p><p></p><p>Quote:</p><p>Quote "Shall we stop offering rumallas to Guru even if we feel like offering it with love ?"</p><p>The true Gurus never asked someone to offer a Rumaalaa. Still, many have started following. Whom?</p><p> </p><p>- Why would Guru ask for anything for that matter, he is the giver of everything. It can be loving devotion of a child that he offers something to Guru. Rumallas can be one, or someone can come up with something innovative.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Quote: </p><p>Quote "I was under impression that true naam is beyond mind and one achieves it as Guru's prasad. So I thought mind can't be busy in true naam... Please correct me, balbir ji!!"</p><p>The Guroo does not go beyond a person's mind and delivers true Naam there. One may come to know it or go on asking about it.</p><p> </p><p>- Is it ? please provide reference from Gurudev that Guru delivers naam in mind. I will be grateful.</p><p> </p><p>Quote:</p><p>Quote "I thought Guru Gobind Singh ji was tenth Nanak and that's why I used Nanak for Guru Gobind. Do I still need to provide reference ?"</p><p>I feel Guru Naanak Dev Jee is also the first Guru Gobind.</p><p>Also, Guru Gobind Singh Jee never said or wrote that the Guru of Sikhs is a Granth. The popular sentence 'Guru Maanyo Granth' is also not from Gurdev.</p><p> </p><p>- Are you trying to say that Guru Gobind Singh never made Granth the Guru. Please clarify !</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Quote:</p><p>Quote "We all know Bhaee ji and cloth merchant are more happy in such deals but then if I feel like offering it to the true Guru with love, what shall I do ?"</p><p>Just accept it. It is a tradition that has nothing to do with spiritual development as such. Rituals in a religion are the beginning. Fanaticism is the result.</p><p>Also, people in love feel to get the right to put off the clothes (masks).</p><p> </p><p>- We all know fanaticism is the result cos of blind people, why do you think sikh dharam was created. All religions breed fanaticism. There are few who are not fanatic. Please define spiritual development and how is love different from it.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Quote:</p><p>Quote "Can I please call it as " By Gurus grace", Balbir ji... please."</p><p>The true Gurus are constantly praising God and His Grace known as Gur (technique). They never said something was existing like the Guroo's Grace. </p><p>Be careful. One learns such things from the business preachers.</p><p> </p><p>- What is 'Gur Prasad' Balbir ji, can you please elaborate on this !</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Quote:</p><p>Quote "Love is the result of true Naam. Love is not the pre condition.</p><p>- Balbir ji, please provide a reference from Gurudev. I will be grateful."</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: darkorange">ਸੇ ਲਾਲ ਭਏ ਗੂੜੈ ਰੰਗਿ ਰਾਤੇ ਜਿਨ ਗੁਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਗਾਇਆ ॥੩॥</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: blue">से लाल भए गूड़ै रंगि राते जिन गुर मिलि हरि हरि गाइआ ॥३॥</span></span></p><p>"say laal bha-ay goorhai rang raatay jin gur mil har har gaa-i-aa." SGGS 1003-13</p><p>They become red dyed in fast color who with Gur sing Hari Hari.</p><p> </p><p>- Balbir ji where is love and naam refered here. Is it hari rang, sahaj rang or prem rang or they are all same. Please clarify !! </p><p> Also please let us know what do you think of this shabad:</p><p><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-size: 15px">ibnu ipAwrY Bgiq n hoveI nw suKu hoie srIir ]</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">b<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>i</strong></span></span>n p<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>i</strong></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>aa</strong></span></span>r<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>ai</strong></span></span> bhagath n h<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>o</strong></span></span>v<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>ee</strong></span></span> n<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>aa</strong></span></span> s<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>u</strong></span></span>kh h<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>o</strong></span></span>e sar<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>ee</strong></span></span>r ||</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-size: 15px">pRym pdwrQu pweIAY gur BgqI mn DIir ]6]</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">pr<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>ae</strong></span></span>m padh<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>aa</strong></span></span>rathh p<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>aa</strong></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>ee</strong></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>ai</strong></span></span> g<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>u</strong></span></span>r bhagath<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>ee</strong></span></span> man dhh<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>ee</strong></span></span>r ||6||</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-size: 15px">ijs no Bgiq krwey so kry gur sbd vIcwir ]</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">j<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>i</strong></span></span>s n<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>o</strong></span></span> bhagath kar<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>aa</strong></span></span>e<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>ae</strong></span></span> s<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>o</strong></span></span> kar<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>ae</strong></span></span> g<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>u</strong></span></span>r sabadh v<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>ee</strong></span></span>ch<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>aa</strong></span></span>r ||</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-size: 15px">ihrdY eyko nwmu vsY haumY duibDw mwir ]7]</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">h<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>i</strong></span></span>radh<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>ai</strong></span></span> e<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>ae</strong></span></span>k<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>o</strong></span></span> n<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>aa</strong></span></span>m vas<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>ai</strong></span></span> ho<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>u</strong></span></span>m<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>ai</strong></span></span> dh<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>u</strong></span></span>b<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>i</strong></span></span>dhh<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>aa</strong></span></span> m<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #080088"><strong>aa</strong></span></span>r ||7||</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span>Panna - 429</p><p> </p><p>There are many more such shabad's. Let me know if you need references.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Quote:</p><p>Quote "One reaches God following no one but accompanying the Sabad Guru.</p><p>- Who doesn't know this Balbir ji, but how to accompany the Sabad Guru, thats the question ?"</p><p>It is the high goodly time. Come to know true Simran.</p><p> </p><p>- Balbir ji, how to do the "true simran". How will I come to know it, please let us/me know that as well.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TGill, post: 59927, member: 5041"] [b]Re: The True Guru is Revealing[/b] Quote: Quote "Shall we stop offering rumallas to Guru even if we feel like offering it with love ?" The true Gurus never asked someone to offer a Rumaalaa. Still, many have started following. Whom? - Why would Guru ask for anything for that matter, he is the giver of everything. It can be loving devotion of a child that he offers something to Guru. Rumallas can be one, or someone can come up with something innovative. Quote: Quote "I was under impression that true naam is beyond mind and one achieves it as Guru's prasad. So I thought mind can't be busy in true naam... Please correct me, balbir ji!!" The Guroo does not go beyond a person's mind and delivers true Naam there. One may come to know it or go on asking about it. - Is it ? please provide reference from Gurudev that Guru delivers naam in mind. I will be grateful. Quote: Quote "I thought Guru Gobind Singh ji was tenth Nanak and that's why I used Nanak for Guru Gobind. Do I still need to provide reference ?" I feel Guru Naanak Dev Jee is also the first Guru Gobind. Also, Guru Gobind Singh Jee never said or wrote that the Guru of Sikhs is a Granth. The popular sentence 'Guru Maanyo Granth' is also not from Gurdev. - Are you trying to say that Guru Gobind Singh never made Granth the Guru. Please clarify ! Quote: Quote "We all know Bhaee ji and cloth merchant are more happy in such deals but then if I feel like offering it to the true Guru with love, what shall I do ?" Just accept it. It is a tradition that has nothing to do with spiritual development as such. Rituals in a religion are the beginning. Fanaticism is the result. Also, people in love feel to get the right to put off the clothes (masks). - We all know fanaticism is the result cos of blind people, why do you think sikh dharam was created. All religions breed fanaticism. There are few who are not fanatic. Please define spiritual development and how is love different from it. Quote: Quote "Can I please call it as " By Gurus grace", Balbir ji... please." The true Gurus are constantly praising God and His Grace known as Gur (technique). They never said something was existing like the Guroo's Grace. Be careful. One learns such things from the business preachers. - What is 'Gur Prasad' Balbir ji, can you please elaborate on this ! Quote: Quote "Love is the result of true Naam. Love is not the pre condition. - Balbir ji, please provide a reference from Gurudev. I will be grateful." [SIZE=2][COLOR=darkorange]ਸੇ ਲਾਲ ਭਏ ਗੂੜੈ ਰੰਗਿ ਰਾਤੇ ਜਿਨ ਗੁਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਗਾਇਆ ॥੩॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=blue]से लाल भए गूड़ै रंगि राते जिन गुर मिलि हरि हरि गाइआ ॥३॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] "say laal bha-ay goorhai rang raatay jin gur mil har har gaa-i-aa." SGGS 1003-13 They become red dyed in fast color who with Gur sing Hari Hari. - Balbir ji where is love and naam refered here. Is it hari rang, sahaj rang or prem rang or they are all same. Please clarify !! Also please let us know what do you think of this shabad: [FONT=GurbaniWebThick][SIZE=4]ibnu ipAwrY Bgiq n hoveI nw suKu hoie srIir ] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]b[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]i[/B][/COLOR][/FONT]n p[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]i[/B][/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]aa[/B][/COLOR][/FONT]r[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]ai[/B][/COLOR][/FONT] bhagath n h[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]o[/B][/COLOR][/FONT]v[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]ee[/B][/COLOR][/FONT] n[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]aa[/B][/COLOR][/FONT] s[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]u[/B][/COLOR][/FONT]kh h[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]o[/B][/COLOR][/FONT]e sar[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]ee[/B][/COLOR][/FONT]r || [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=GurbaniWebThick][SIZE=4]pRym pdwrQu pweIAY gur BgqI mn DIir ]6] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]pr[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]ae[/B][/COLOR][/FONT]m padh[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]aa[/B][/COLOR][/FONT]rathh p[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]aa[/B][/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]ee[/B][/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]ai[/B][/COLOR][/FONT] g[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]u[/B][/COLOR][/FONT]r bhagath[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]ee[/B][/COLOR][/FONT] man dhh[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]ee[/B][/COLOR][/FONT]r ||6|| [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=GurbaniWebThick][SIZE=4]ijs no Bgiq krwey so kry gur sbd vIcwir ] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]j[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]i[/B][/COLOR][/FONT]s n[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]o[/B][/COLOR][/FONT] bhagath kar[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]aa[/B][/COLOR][/FONT]e[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]ae[/B][/COLOR][/FONT] s[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]o[/B][/COLOR][/FONT] kar[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]ae[/B][/COLOR][/FONT] g[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]u[/B][/COLOR][/FONT]r sabadh v[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]ee[/B][/COLOR][/FONT]ch[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]aa[/B][/COLOR][/FONT]r ||[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=GurbaniWebThick][SIZE=4]ihrdY eyko nwmu vsY haumY duibDw mwir ]7] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]h[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]i[/B][/COLOR][/FONT]radh[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]ai[/B][/COLOR][/FONT] e[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]ae[/B][/COLOR][/FONT]k[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]o[/B][/COLOR][/FONT] n[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]aa[/B][/COLOR][/FONT]m vas[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]ai[/B][/COLOR][/FONT] ho[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]u[/B][/COLOR][/FONT]m[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]ai[/B][/COLOR][/FONT] dh[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]u[/B][/COLOR][/FONT]b[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]i[/B][/COLOR][/FONT]dhh[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]aa[/B][/COLOR][/FONT] m[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#080088][B]aa[/B][/COLOR][/FONT]r ||7|| [/SIZE][/FONT]Panna - 429 There are many more such shabad's. Let me know if you need references. Quote: Quote "One reaches God following no one but accompanying the Sabad Guru. - Who doesn't know this Balbir ji, but how to accompany the Sabad Guru, thats the question ?" It is the high goodly time. Come to know true Simran. - Balbir ji, how to do the "true simran". How will I come to know it, please let us/me know that as well. [/QUOTE]
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