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Christianity Pope Francis: Women Are 'fundamental' To Church

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  1. Archived_Member16

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    Pope Francis: Women are 'fundamental' to church

    Pope Francis emphasized the importance of women in Catholic homes and churches in a speech Wednesday, but did not suggest they should be ordained.


    Pope Francis kisses a little girl after his weekly audience in
    St. Peter's Square at the Vatican, Wednesday, April 3.
    His remarks emphasized the roles women have played in
    the church, including their presence as the 'first witnesses'
    to the resurrection.
    (L'Osservatore Romano / AP)

    By Naomi O'Leary, Reuters / April 4, 2013 at 11:38 pm EDT

    Pope Francis stressed the "fundamental" importance of women in the Roman Catholic Church on Wednesday, a message hailed as a significant shift from the position of his predecessor Benedict.

    Supporters of liberal reform of the Church have called on it to give a greater voice to women and recognize their importance to the largest religious denomination in the world, and some groups call for women to be ordained as priests.

    The head of the Women's Ordination Conference, which calls for women to be treated equally in the Church and to be allowed to become priests and bishops, said Francis's words were the most encouraging she had heard in her lifetime, but did not go far enough.

    "While the pope was trying to be positive about women's role, where he's actually wrong is that women were actually disciples, like Mary Magdalene," WOC Executive Director Erin Saiz Hanna told Reuters.

    "He said women are able to communicate Christ's words, but actually women can't preach so that's a false statement."

    The Vatican says woman cannot be priests as Jesus Christ willingly chose only men as his apostles. Advocates of a female priesthood reject this position, saying Jesus was merely conforming to the customs of his times.

    Francis, elected last month as the first non-European pope in 1,300 years, said women had always had a special mission in the Church as "first witnesses" of Christ's resurrection, and because they pass belief onto their children and grandchildren.

    "In the Church, and in the journey of faith, women have had and still have a special role in opening doors to the Lord," Francis told thousands of pilgrims at his weekly audience in S. Peter's Square.

    He said that in the Bible, women were not recorded as witnesses to Christ's resurrection because of the Jewish Law of the time that did not deem women or children to be reliable witnesses.

    "In the Gospels, however, women have a primary, fundamental role ... The evangelists simply narrate what happened: the women were the first witnesses. This tells us that God does not choose according to human criteria," Francis said.


    The address was the second time Francis had spoken of women's role as witnesses to the resurrection of Christ, a subject of bedrock importance to the Catholic faith.

    His Easter Vigil address on Saturday made prominent mention of women and urged believers not to fear change.

    Francis's decision a week ago to include women in a traditional foot-washing ritual drew ire from traditionalists, who see the custom as a re-enactment of Jesus washing the feet of his apostles and said it should therefore be limited to men.

    Marinella Perroni, a theologian and leading member of the Association of Italian Women Theologians, which promotes female experts on religion and their visibility in the Church, said the pope's words marked a significant shift from the previous pope.

    "The fact that the Pope acknowledges that the progressive removal of female figures from the tradition of the resurrection ... is due to human judgments, distant from those of God, ... introduces a decidedly new element compared to the previous papacy."

    The election of Francis, an Argentinian, last month came in the wake of another break with tradition when predecessor Pope Benedict became one of the few pontiffs in history to resign.

    His 76-year old successor has set a new tone for the papacy, earning a reputation for simplicity by shunning some ornate items of traditional dress, using informal language in his addresses, and so far choosing to live in a simple residence rather than the regal papal apartments.

    Sources inside the Vatican have said Francis could reform the Vatican's bureaucracy and restructure or even close down the Vatican's bank after a series of scandals at the heart of the Holy See that damaged the Church's reputation. (Editing by Mark Heinrich)

    source: http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Late...ntal-to-church?nav=88-csm_category-topStories
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  3. Kanwaljit Singh

    Kanwaljit Singh India
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    I believe half good news is better than no good news!
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  4. BlazinSikh

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    Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh!

    Pope Francis has been making good and positive impact on Christianity/Catholics. Changes do not happen all in one day, so probably everyday we may see a good and positive change.

    Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh!
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  5. Tejwant Singh

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    BlazinSikh ji,

    Guru Fateh.

    I beg to differ with you to an extent. How long does it take to allow the priests to get married which was the case in the Catholic Church before?

    Why allow annulment to a Catholic marriage when the family has kids? The annulment means Kids do not exist, if they do then they exist out of wedlock.

    Rudy Giuliani, the ex- Mayor of New York was successful in getting his marriage annulled after having kids with his wife and if I am not mistaken, he was married to his cousin.

    Bill O' Reilly, the famous host on Fox News is trying to do that after 15 years of marriage and 2 kids. He donated $60k to the charity through Cardinal Dolan - whom many Americans wanted to become the Pope and were praying quite fervently for that.

    In return, the Church wrote the letter to his ex wife saying it is illegal to take a communion after the divorce as she was doing it and more actions will be taken if she keeps on doing that.

    Why stop a communion? Why force a person to leave the church and eventually the faith? What good does it do to the church? How long does it take to change these minor but important things?

    Tejwant Singh
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  6. aristotle

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    I really hope this thing gets above mere lip service. Afterall, people wouldn't expect the 'Vicar of Christ' merely to just dole out euphemisms and coverups (as has been the case in the past).
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