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Pointing One's Feet To The Sggs At The Gurdwara

Sikhilove

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We are all entitled to our own view, in my view, what we call love, is not what God calls love, our definition of love is too surface, too obvious, too short term, if God does love us, then it bears no resemblance to what we as humans know as love.
It's unconditional, and it's beyond logic.
 

Ishna

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then it is not what we humans call love, human love is rooted in logic and conditions,
I daresay she is referring to love in this form Agape - Wikipedia Remember, one word in English can mean different things.

However, this is quite a Christian concept. Is there a corresponding Sikh concept?
 

Sikhilove

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then it is not what we humans call love, human love is rooted in logic and conditions,
Yep. It can be unconditional though.

True unconditional love elevates the human to unimaginable heights. What bliss you think the Gurus were always talking about?
 

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Nanak walked into the middle east teaching misguided Muslims truth, regardless of what could have happened to him.

Imagine someone doing that now in Saudi..

He puts us where we deserve to be. He preserves our honor. When it's His will, he guides us and keep us out of harms way.
I'm sorry but I have a real issue with this characterisation.. On a number of levels .

How can you say he went around teaching misguided Muslims the truth? He may have and I believe that he did elucidate and articulate essential truths but I don't believe he went about with a messiah complex trying to save people. Nor do I see any evidence that substantiates that type of reading . I think he was steadfast in a expanding his experience, verifying and challenging his own philosophical beliefs which he had distilled into what I personally consider the most profound, perfectly constructed, concise expression of 'Everything'. Namely , Mool mantar.. I fundamentally disagree with the idea that 'he' (and you seem to conflate guru nanak the person and a conception of the divine) puts us where we deserve to be.. Because that contradicts nirbhau, nirvair.. Guru Nanaks articulations tell us we have control over a great many things in our life and provides us with anecdotes and really very simple examples of how we can if we choose to shed falsehoods.. But it is us who are the agents not him or the divine and definitely not some 'God'.
It's unconditional, and it's beyond logic.
I disagree that it is beyond logic.. If anything bani is very logical.. The logic is that we must constantly, move and seek, to live as Sikhs as disciples and students. Because we can always do more.. We should never put our hands up and say we have arrived there is nothing more to do. Because if that was the case we wouldn't be living, we could withdraw from society and live in a cave. But as long as we see falsehood we must engage and find solutions whilst not compromising.. A tall order but a ideal, which if we truly believe in bani we must do
 

Sikhilove

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I'm sorry but I have a real issue with this characterisation.. On a number of levels .

How can you say he went around teaching misguided Muslims the truth? He may have and I believe that he did elucidate and articulate essential truths but I don't believe he went about with a messiah complex trying to save people. Nor do I see any evidence that substantiates that type of reading . I think he was steadfast in a expanding his experience, verifying and challenging his own philosophical beliefs which he had distilled into what I personally consider the most profound, perfectly constructed, concise expression of 'Everything'. Namely , Mool mantar.. I fundamentally disagree with the idea that 'he' (and you seem to conflate guru nanak the person and a conception of the divine) puts us where we deserve to be.. Because that contradicts nirbhau, nirvair.. Guru Nanaks articulations tell us we have control over a great many things in our life and provides us with anecdotes and really very simple examples of how we can if we choose to shed falsehoods.. But it is us who are the agents not him or the divine and definitely not some 'God'.

I disagree that it is beyond logic.. If anything bani is very logical.. The logic is that we must constantly, move and seek, to live as Sikhs as disciples and students. Because we can always do more.. We should never put our hands up and say we have arrived there is nothing more to do. Because if that was the case we wouldn't be living, we could withdraw from society and live in a cave. But as long as we see falsehood we must engage and find solutions whilst not compromising.. A tall order but a ideal, which if we truly believe in bani we must do
Muslims at the time were misguided. Basically worshipping the Kaaba, killing infidels, following the way if corruption and not truth. Nanak went, as humanitarians do out of love, to bring them back to basics, before the corruption.

By He, I meant God, the Everpresent Truth.

It's beyond what the mind can comprehend. Divine knowledge is not worldly logic, it's Gyan.

Agreed that we should never out our hands up and say we have learned everything. The path is infinite, just like him, the discoveries are infinite.
 

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