Re: O Khotey-aa! ,Which include Khushwant Singh
If your 1st allegiance is to a human being then how can you rate India above other countries? Isn't that a discriminatory stance? Throughout your posts you seem to confuse being Panjabi with being Sikh. The 2 are separate things are need to be kept separate as much as possible as a lot of Panjabi cultural practices are not compatible with Sikhi, such as preference for boys. There are several threads that discuss this further. It is often said that Sikhi is all inclusive and is a philosophy for all humanity. However, if you are restricting it to Panjabis then this is less inclusive than restricting who can do kirtan in official divans!
I'm sorry but I don't understand how this relates to the issue in hand as the issue is about Sikhs or non-Sikhs. Sikhs includes amritdharis and non-amritdharis. Both groups do not have allegiance to another group therefore do not have a conflict of interest. One example is if a Hindu were to do kirtan, they might twist shabads that mention brahma or other Hindu gods to support Hind viewpoints and therefore dilute the actual meaning of the shabad (and this has actually happened). Sikhi is not easy to practice-agreed. This is why it is even more imperative that we do all we can to stop wrong things being taught. Why the big difference between Guru Nanak and Guru Gobind Singh ji? Guru Gobind Singh was the 10th Nanak. His teachings and actions were completely consistent with the other Nanaks-it is a continuum!
Yes! If we followed the SRM more and therefore were truer Sikhs then people would not have walked over us as more people would be brave enough to stand up and exert our rights. It is precisely because Sikhi has been diluted that we are struggling to deal with these things. Let us not dilute things further.
These are not diversions but are real issues. If these are ignored, more and more principles of Sikhi will be lost or distorted. If all and sundry are allowed to dictate their own terms then Sikhi will not remain as there will be much confusion. We look to the Gurdwara to learn, therefore the Gurdwara must keep the roots strong. Only if the roots are strong will Sikhi remain open to all.
Most definitely! However, we need to learn what the Guru's teachings tell us first.
As an aside, here are some of my ponderings. Guru Nanak Dev ji was born into a Hindu family yet we do not call him a Hindu as he did not follow Hindu dharma. Bhai Lehna was no longer a devi worshipper after he followed a Sikh way of life. In that same vein, can we really say Bhai Mardhana was a Muslim? He was born into a Muslim family but by becoming Guruji's companion and following a Sikh way of life I would say he became a Sikh.
If your 1st allegiance is to a human being then how can you rate India above other countries? Isn't that a discriminatory stance? Throughout your posts you seem to confuse being Panjabi with being Sikh. The 2 are separate things are need to be kept separate as much as possible as a lot of Panjabi cultural practices are not compatible with Sikhi, such as preference for boys. There are several threads that discuss this further. It is often said that Sikhi is all inclusive and is a philosophy for all humanity. However, if you are restricting it to Panjabis then this is less inclusive than restricting who can do kirtan in official divans!
I'm sorry but I don't understand how this relates to the issue in hand as the issue is about Sikhs or non-Sikhs. Sikhs includes amritdharis and non-amritdharis. Both groups do not have allegiance to another group therefore do not have a conflict of interest. One example is if a Hindu were to do kirtan, they might twist shabads that mention brahma or other Hindu gods to support Hind viewpoints and therefore dilute the actual meaning of the shabad (and this has actually happened). Sikhi is not easy to practice-agreed. This is why it is even more imperative that we do all we can to stop wrong things being taught. Why the big difference between Guru Nanak and Guru Gobind Singh ji? Guru Gobind Singh was the 10th Nanak. His teachings and actions were completely consistent with the other Nanaks-it is a continuum!
Yes! If we followed the SRM more and therefore were truer Sikhs then people would not have walked over us as more people would be brave enough to stand up and exert our rights. It is precisely because Sikhi has been diluted that we are struggling to deal with these things. Let us not dilute things further.
These are not diversions but are real issues. If these are ignored, more and more principles of Sikhi will be lost or distorted. If all and sundry are allowed to dictate their own terms then Sikhi will not remain as there will be much confusion. We look to the Gurdwara to learn, therefore the Gurdwara must keep the roots strong. Only if the roots are strong will Sikhi remain open to all.
Most definitely! However, we need to learn what the Guru's teachings tell us first.
As an aside, here are some of my ponderings. Guru Nanak Dev ji was born into a Hindu family yet we do not call him a Hindu as he did not follow Hindu dharma. Bhai Lehna was no longer a devi worshipper after he followed a Sikh way of life. In that same vein, can we really say Bhai Mardhana was a Muslim? He was born into a Muslim family but by becoming Guruji's companion and following a Sikh way of life I would say he became a Sikh.
