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Hinduism No Caste System In Vedas

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Scriptural facts in Vedas show clear humnaity in them, and there is no heirarchy, but dignity of labour, but before this is end game prime objective for hindu faith and that is MOKSHA-merging back with god, but to achieve this one must lead a noble life.
If there was discrimiantory caste then how does this reconcile to Moksha, it does NOT and why because it is not in Vedas and not therefore in Sanatan Dharma.
If anyone disagrees kindly provide scriptural proof that negates this and reconcile back to Moksha.. common on be my guest....
 
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The concept of caste is relatively new. Vedas contain no word that can be considered a synonym for ‘caste’. The two words commonly considered to mean ‘caste’ are Jaati and Varna. However the truth is that, all the three mean completely different things.
Caste is a European innovation having no semblance in Vedic culture.
ok, yes reconciles to Moksha

Varna’ means one that is adopted by choice. Thus, while Jaati is provided by God, ‘Varna’ is our own choice.
Those who choose to be Arya are called ‘Arya Varna’. Those who choose to be Dasyu become ‘Dasyu Varna’. Same for Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra.
That is why Vedic Dharma is called ‘Varnashram Dharma’. The word Varna itself implies that this is based on complete freedom of choice and meritocracy.
ahhh reconciles to Moksha again

The word “Shudra” has come in Vedas around 20 times. Nowhere has it been used in a derogatory manner. Nowhere it mentions that Shudras are untouchable, birth-based, disallowed from study of Vedas, lesser in status than other Varnas, disallowed in Yajnas.
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In Vedas, Shudra means a hard-working person. (Tapase Shudram – Yajurved 30.5). And that is why Purush Sukta calls them as foundation of entire human society.
reconciles to Moksha again, hatrick..
 

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Supporters of casteism oftenly quote slokas (IV.13) and (XVIII.41) of Gita to support four castes by birth. In sloka (IV.13) Lord Krishna says: “Chaturvarnyma mayaa sristam gunkarma vibhagsah” i.e. four orders of society created by Me according to their Guna (qualities/behaviour) and Karma (profession/work/efforts).

Lord Krishna does not say guna and karma of previous life. In (XVIII.41) Lord Krishna says “Brahmana Kshatriya visham sudranam cha paramtapa, karmani pravibhaktani svabhavaprabhavaigunaih.” It means people have been grouped into four classes according to their present life karma (profession/work) and svabhava (behaviour).

Had this division been based on birth, Lord Krishna would have naturally used “Janmani pravibhaktani” in (XVIII.41).

In (X.20) Lord Krishna says “ahamatama gudakesa sarvabhutaa sayasthitah” i.e. “Arjuna! I am the universal self seated in the hearts of all beings.” Here, Lord neither excludes sudra from “all beings” nor excludes Himself from being in hearts of sudra.

In (XVIII.61) Lord says “eshwarah sarvabhutaanaam hraddesearjuna tisthati” i.e. Arjuna! God abides in the heart of all living beings.” Again, sudras are not excluded.

In (XIV.4) Lord Krishna says “of all embodied beings Arjuna, prakrti or nature is the conceiving Mother, while I am the seed giving Father.” Thus, Lord Krishna says that he is as much Father of sudras as he is Father of any other Hindu.

In (XVI.18) Lord Krishna says: “Given over to egotism, brute force, arrogance, etc. they hate Me dwelling in their own bodies as well as those of others.”

Thus, Lord Krishna instructs that a Hindu must not hate bodies of others Hindus as He is there in bodies of all so Gita prohibits untouchability.
reconciles to Moksha..
 

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http://agniveer.com/1634/religion-vedas/

Rigveda 10.191.2
- walk together in the path of truth without bias, injustice and intolerance
- talk to each other to enhance knowledge, wisdom and affection without malice and hatred
- keep working together to enhance knowledge and bliss
- follow the path of truth and selflessness as exemplified by noble people
Rigveda 10.191.3
- Your analysis of right and wrong should be unbiased and not specific to particular set of people
- You should organize together to help everyone enhance their health, knowledge and prosperity
- Your minds should be devoid of hatred and should see progress and happiness of all as one’s own progress and happiness and you should only act for enhancement of happiness of all based on truth
- Work together to eradicate falsehood and discover truth
- Never ever deviate from path of truth and unity
Rigveda 10.191.4
- Your efforts should be full of enthusiasm and for bliss of everyone
- Your emotions should be for one and all and love everyone the way you love yourself
- Your desire, resolve, analysis, faith, abstinence, patience, keenness, focus, comfort etc all should be towards truth and bliss for all, and away from falsehood.
- Keep working in synergy to increase each others’ knowledge and bliss.
scriptural facts that cannot be denied, as a number try to, reconciles to Moksha again,
Open mind frees those with truth , some have to unlearn what they know
 
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Let us see what these famous people said when they finished reading the Gita:

The Bhagavad-Gita is the most systematic statement of spiritual evolution of endowing value to mankind. It is one of the most clear and comprehensive summaries of perennial philosophy ever revealed; hence its enduring value is subject not only to India but to all of humanity."
— Aldous Huxley
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"In the morning I bathe my intellect in the stupendous and cosmogonal philosophy of the Bhagavad-Gita, in comparison with which our modern world and its literature seems puny and trivial."
— Henry David Thoreau
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"In order to approach a creation as sublime as the Bhagavad-Gita with full understanding it is necessary to attune our soul to it."
— Rudolf Steiner
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When I read the Bhagavad Gita and reflect about how God created this universe everything else seems so superfluous.

-- Albert Einstein (One of the most influential scientists of all time)

Mahatma Gandhi Quotes on Bhagavad Gita

When doubts haunt me, when disappointments stare me in the face, and I see not one ray of hope on the horizon, I turn to Bhagavad-gita and find a verse to comfort me; and I immediately begin to smile in the midst of overwhelming sorrow. Those who meditate on the Gita will derive fresh joy and new meanings from it every day.

-- Mahatma Gandhi (Spiritual/Political Leader of India; officially honoured in India as the Father of the Nation)

Dr. Albert Schweitzer Sayings on Bhagavad Gita

The Bhagavad Gita has a profound influence on the spirit of mankind by its devotion to God which is manifested by actions.

-- Dr. Albert Schweitzer [Famous Alsatian German-French theologian, philosopher, physician, and musician.]


Carl Jung Quotation on Bhagavad-Gita

The idea that man is like unto an inverted tree seems to have been current in by gone ages. The link with Vedic conceptions is provided by Plato in his Timaeus in which it states behold we are not an earthly but a heavenly plant. This correlation can be discerned by what Krishna expresses in chapter 15 of Bhagavad-Gita.

-- Carl Gustav Jung
 

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Let all Hindus work hard to get this pure Hindusims/Sanatan Dharma fully IMPLEMENTED in INDIA..so that all that HARIJAN c.r.a.p. by the likes of Mahatma Gandhi, the RESERVATIONS based on castes, the untold sufferings of untouchables in their MILLIONS can be STOPPED. The Govt by LAW supports CASTES by having RESERVATIONS based on caste..the People regularly hold the Govt to RANSOM for caste RESERVATION..example the Jatt campaign of Rail Roko..stop trains campaign which ahs gone violent a few times..etc etc all must GO becasue they are all ultra vires the Hindu religion and the scriptures..WHY then does the Majority Hidnu Nation have temples and mandirs bared to certain low castes.. Ban the Scheduled Caste Reservation Law...carry out reform...in Malaysia also we have chettira temples and others for the common man..BUT the PRIESTS can ONLY be BRAHMINS..even though they ahve to be IMPORTED form India ..serious issues based on CASTE and CASTE ALONE..Practice vs THEORY..
 

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WHY then does the Majority Hidnu Nation have temples and mandirs bared to certain low castes.. Ban the Scheduled Caste Reservation Law...carry out reform...in Malaysia also we have chettira temples and others for the common man..BUT the PRIESTS can ONLY be BRAHMINS..even though they ahve to be IMPORTED form India ..serious issues based on CASTE and CASTE ALONE..Practice vs THEORY..
Again as per link corruption has come through by a numner of priests who wantd to maintain their offspring at top, but scriptures and verses are clear, so therefore we condemn these number of priests that bar so called different castes, we do not want these reservations but upliftment of people who cannot afford education, to provide them with education and get jobs based on meritocracy.
Corrupt political leaders line their swiss bank accounts, and use vote banks for their own selfish purposes, this is not in scriptures as shown.
Here is some more

Now, society has functions which work together for the betterment of humanity, and there is no birth based caste as we have:
The meaning of four Varnas and Shudra in particular is completely different from what the Macaulay inspired intellectuals would want us to believe.
b. There is absolutely no element of birth-based discrimination or denial of opportunity for any human being in Vedic way of life.
c. If there is one text that provides evidence of highest level of meritocracy and equal-opportunity, it is the Vedas. Even the most contemporary texts on human rights cannot come closer.
Before we begin our journey of solving the caste-puzzle through Vedas, let us start with certain worship mantras from Vedas that mention Shudras:
Yajurved 18.48:
O Lord! Provide enlightenment/ compassion to our Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and Shudras. Provide me also with the same enlightenment so that I can see the truth.
Yajurved 20.17:
Whatever crime we have committed against my village, forest or committee; whatever crime we have committed through our organs, whatever crime we have committed against Shudras and Vaishyas, whatever crime we have done in matters of Dharma, kindly forgive us relieve us from the tendency of the same.
Yajurved 26.2:
The way I gave this knowledge of Vedas for benefit of all humans, similarly you all also propagate the same for benefit of Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Shudras, Vaishyas, Women and even most downtrodden. The scholars and the wealthy people should ensure that they not deviate from this message of mine.
Scriptures show the truth, and we are and will continue to combat social evil of this corrupted caste nonsense which is not in Vedas.
 

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