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Nanak Is The Guru, Nanak Is The Lord Himself

Pyramid

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:) We are learning from the 'WORD OF GOD'- Gurbani. THE DIVINE PROVIDENCE. No one has any capacity to hurt the divine providence. We can either follow it, not follow it, question it, accept it- All is happening under His Grace: The Creator,Provider,Care Taker,God, Guru.

He Himself guide us to walk the path, to take rest or forget the path. Mortals cant be the guides, only immortal God/Guru can be a guide.

Gurbani Kahe Sevak Jan Maaney.

****
Gurbani is SarbSanjhi(for every one).

Gurbani has the correct answer for me moor paapi, I dont need to change that to be in sink with others.

Ambar Ji,

Good as always :up:.



ਤਿਲੰਗ ਮਹਲਾ ੪ ॥
thilang mehalaa 4 ||
Tilang, Fourth Mehl:


ਹਰਿ ਕੀਆ ਕਥਾ ਕਹਾਣੀਆ ਗੁਰਿ ਮੀਤਿ ਸੁਣਾਈਆ ॥
har keeaa kathhaa kehaaneeaa gur meeth sunaaeeaa ||
The Guru, my friend, has told me the stories and the sermon of the Lord.


ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਗੁਰ ਆਪਣੇ ਗੁਰ ਕਉ ਬਲਿ ਜਾਈਆ ॥੧॥
balihaaree gur aapanae gur ko bal jaaeeaa ||1||
I am a sacrifice to my Guru; to the Guru, I am a sacrifice. ||1||


ਆਇ ਮਿਲੁ ਗੁਰਸਿਖ ਆਇ ਮਿਲੁ ਤੂ ਮੇਰੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਕੇ ਪਿਆਰੇ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
aae mil gurasikh aae mil thoo maerae guroo kae piaarae || rehaao ||
Come, join with me, O Sikh of the Guru, come and join with me. You are my Guru's Beloved. ||Pause||

Source of Shabad: SearchGurbani.Com


Tuhada Das
Yograj
 

AmbarDhara

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Pyramid Ji,

Dhan Guru Amar Das Ji's words:

Nanak Bani Nirankaar Paarbrahm Parmesar
Waho Waho Bani Nirankaar Hai Tis Jevad Avar Na Koi
ANG 30
SGGS JI
SATGURU PRASAAD

ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੩ ॥
sireeraag mehalaa 3 ||
Siree Raag, Third Mehl:


ਤ੍ਰੈ ਗੁਣ ਮਾਇਆ ਮੋਹੁ ਹੈ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਚਉਥਾ ਪਦੁ ਪਾਇ ॥
thrai gun maaeiaa mohu hai guramukh chouthhaa padh paae ||
The three qualities hold people in attachment to Maya. The Gurmukh attains the fourth state of higher consciousness.


ਕਰਿ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਮੇਲਾਇਅਨੁ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਵਸਿਆ ਮਨਿ ਆਇ ॥
kar kirapaa maelaaeian har naam vasiaa man aae ||
Granting His Grace, God unites us with Himself. The Name of the Lord comes to abide within the mind.


ਪੋਤੈ ਜਿਨ ਕੈ ਪੁੰਨੁ ਹੈ ਤਿਨ ਸਤਸੰਗਤਿ ਮੇਲਾਇ ॥੧॥
pothai jin kai punn hai thin sathasangath maelaae ||1||
Those who have the treasure of goodness join the Sat Sangat, the True Congregation. ||1||


ਭਾਈ ਰੇ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਸਾਚਿ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
bhaaee rae guramath saach rehaao ||
O Siblings of Destiny, follow the Guru's Teachings and dwell in truth.


ਸਾਚੋ ਸਾਚੁ ਕਮਾਵਣਾ ਸਾਚੈ ਸਬਦਿ ਮਿਲਾਉ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
saacho saach kamaavanaa saachai sabadh milaao ||1|| rehaao ||
Practice truth, and only truth, and merge in the True Word of the Shabad. ||1||Pause||


ਜਿਨੀ ਨਾਮੁ ਪਛਾਣਿਆ ਤਿਨ ਵਿਟਹੁ ਬਲਿ ਜਾਉ ॥
jinee naam pashhaaniaa thin vittahu bal jaao ||
I am a sacrifice to those who recognize the Naam, the Name of the Lord.


ਆਪੁ ਛੋਡਿ ਚਰਣੀ ਲਗਾ ਚਲਾ ਤਿਨ ਕੈ ਭਾਇ ॥
aap shhodd charanee lagaa chalaa thin kai bhaae ||
Renouncing selfishness, I fall at their feet, and walk in harmony with His Will.


ਲਾਹਾ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਮਿਲੈ ਸਹਜੇ ਨਾਮਿ ਸਮਾਇ ॥੨॥
laahaa har har naam milai sehajae naam samaae ||2||
Earning the Profit of the Name of the Lord, Har, Har, I am intuitively absorbed in the Naam. ||2||


ਬਿਨੁ ਗੁਰ ਮਹਲੁ ਨ ਪਾਈਐ ਨਾਮੁ ਨ ਪਰਾਪਤਿ ਹੋਇ ॥
bin gur mehal n paaeeai naam n paraapath hoe ||
Without the Guru, the Mansion of the Lord's Presence is not found, and the Naam is not obtained.


ਐਸਾ ਸਤਗੁਰੁ ਲੋੜਿ ਲਹੁ ਜਿਦੂ ਪਾਈਐ ਸਚੁ ਸੋਇ ॥
aisaa sathagur lorr lahu jidhoo paaeeai sach soe ||
Seek and find such a True Guru, who shall lead you to the True Lord.


ਅਸੁਰ ਸੰਘਾਰੈ ਸੁਖਿ ਵਸੈ ਜੋ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਸੁ ਹੋਇ ॥੩॥
asur sanghaarai sukh vasai jo this bhaavai s hoe ||3||
Destroy your evil passions, and you shall dwell in peace. Whatever pleases the Lord comes to pass. ||3||


ਜੇਹਾ ਸਤਗੁਰੁ ਕਰਿ ਜਾਣਿਆ ਤੇਹੋ ਜੇਹਾ ਸੁਖੁ ਹੋਇ ॥
jaehaa sathagur kar jaaniaa thaeho jaehaa sukh hoe ||
As one knows the True Guru, so is the peace obtained.


ਏਹੁ ਸਹਸਾ ਮੂਲੇ ਨਾਹੀ ਭਾਉ ਲਾਏ ਜਨੁ ਕੋਇ ॥
eaehu sehasaa moolae naahee bhaao laaeae jan koe ||
There is no doubt at all about this, but those who love Him are very rare.


ਨਾਨਕ ਏਕ ਜੋਤਿ ਦੁਇ ਮੂਰਤੀ ਸਬਦਿ ਮਿਲਾਵਾ ਹੋਇ ॥੪॥੧੧॥੪੪॥
naanak eaek joth dhue moorathee sabadh milaavaa hoe ||4||11||44||
O Nanak, the One Light has two forms; through the Shabad, union is attained. ||4||11||44||

Gurbani eis jag meh chaanan
Gurbani har alakh lakhiayaa
Gurbani Gavo Bhaee
charan kamal parabh kay nit Dhi-aava-o


Light merges in Light(itself).
Maya has created the illussion of two forms, where it was only One light. Through Shabad the Union-Oneness is obtained. So O mind, leave the sense of duality.

 

Pyramid

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Pyramid Ji,

Dhan Guru Amar Das Ji's words:

Nanak Bani Nirankaar Paarbrahm Parmesar
Waho Waho Bani Nirankaar Hai Tis Jevad Avar Na Koi
ANG 30
SGGS JI
SATGURU PRASAAD

ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੩ ॥
sireeraag mehalaa 3 ||
Siree Raag, Third Mehl:


ਤ੍ਰੈ ਗੁਣ ਮਾਇਆ ਮੋਹੁ ਹੈ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਚਉਥਾ ਪਦੁ ਪਾਇ ॥
thrai gun maaeiaa mohu hai guramukh chouthhaa padh paae ||
The three qualities hold people in attachment to Maya. The Gurmukh attains the fourth state of higher consciousness.


ਕਰਿ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਮੇਲਾਇਅਨੁ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਵਸਿਆ ਮਨਿ ਆਇ ॥
kar kirapaa maelaaeian har naam vasiaa man aae ||
Granting His Grace, God unites us with Himself. The Name of the Lord comes to abide within the mind.


ਪੋਤੈ ਜਿਨ ਕੈ ਪੁੰਨੁ ਹੈ ਤਿਨ ਸਤਸੰਗਤਿ ਮੇਲਾਇ ॥੧॥
pothai jin kai punn hai thin sathasangath maelaae ||1||
Those who have the treasure of goodness join the Sat Sangat, the True Congregation. ||1||


ਭਾਈ ਰੇ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਸਾਚਿ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
bhaaee rae guramath saach rehaao ||
O Siblings of Destiny, follow the Guru's Teachings and dwell in truth.


ਸਾਚੋ ਸਾਚੁ ਕਮਾਵਣਾ ਸਾਚੈ ਸਬਦਿ ਮਿਲਾਉ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
saacho saach kamaavanaa saachai sabadh milaao ||1|| rehaao ||
Practice truth, and only truth, and merge in the True Word of the Shabad. ||1||Pause||


ਜਿਨੀ ਨਾਮੁ ਪਛਾਣਿਆ ਤਿਨ ਵਿਟਹੁ ਬਲਿ ਜਾਉ ॥
jinee naam pashhaaniaa thin vittahu bal jaao ||
I am a sacrifice to those who recognize the Naam, the Name of the Lord.


ਆਪੁ ਛੋਡਿ ਚਰਣੀ ਲਗਾ ਚਲਾ ਤਿਨ ਕੈ ਭਾਇ ॥
aap shhodd charanee lagaa chalaa thin kai bhaae ||
Renouncing selfishness, I fall at their feet, and walk in harmony with His Will.


ਲਾਹਾ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਮਿਲੈ ਸਹਜੇ ਨਾਮਿ ਸਮਾਇ ॥੨॥
laahaa har har naam milai sehajae naam samaae ||2||
Earning the Profit of the Name of the Lord, Har, Har, I am intuitively absorbed in the Naam. ||2||


ਬਿਨੁ ਗੁਰ ਮਹਲੁ ਨ ਪਾਈਐ ਨਾਮੁ ਨ ਪਰਾਪਤਿ ਹੋਇ ॥
bin gur mehal n paaeeai naam n paraapath hoe ||
Without the Guru, the Mansion of the Lord's Presence is not found, and the Naam is not obtained.


ਐਸਾ ਸਤਗੁਰੁ ਲੋੜਿ ਲਹੁ ਜਿਦੂ ਪਾਈਐ ਸਚੁ ਸੋਇ ॥
aisaa sathagur lorr lahu jidhoo paaeeai sach soe ||
Seek and find such a True Guru, who shall lead you to the True Lord.


ਅਸੁਰ ਸੰਘਾਰੈ ਸੁਖਿ ਵਸੈ ਜੋ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਸੁ ਹੋਇ ॥੩॥
asur sanghaarai sukh vasai jo this bhaavai s hoe ||3||
Destroy your evil passions, and you shall dwell in peace. Whatever pleases the Lord comes to pass. ||3||


ਜੇਹਾ ਸਤਗੁਰੁ ਕਰਿ ਜਾਣਿਆ ਤੇਹੋ ਜੇਹਾ ਸੁਖੁ ਹੋਇ ॥
jaehaa sathagur kar jaaniaa thaeho jaehaa sukh hoe ||
As one knows the True Guru, so is the peace obtained.


ਏਹੁ ਸਹਸਾ ਮੂਲੇ ਨਾਹੀ ਭਾਉ ਲਾਏ ਜਨੁ ਕੋਇ ॥
eaehu sehasaa moolae naahee bhaao laaeae jan koe ||
There is no doubt at all about this, but those who love Him are very rare.


ਨਾਨਕ ਏਕ ਜੋਤਿ ਦੁਇ ਮੂਰਤੀ ਸਬਦਿ ਮਿਲਾਵਾ ਹੋਇ ॥੪॥੧੧॥੪੪॥
naanak eaek joth dhue moorathee sabadh milaavaa hoe ||4||11||44||
O Nanak, the One Light has two forms; through the Shabad, union is attained. ||4||11||44||

Gurbani eis jag meh chaanan
Gurbani har alakh lakhiayaa
Gurbani Gavo Bhaee
charan kamal parabh kay nit Dhi-aava-o


Light merges in Light(itself).
Maya has created the illussion of two forms, where it was only One light. Through Shabad the Union-Oneness is obtained. So O mind, leave the sense of duality.

So it is.

Sargun, Nirgun- two forms.
But Same One Light.
Dont get attached to the Sargun(tri Gun).
Through the Word of God- Gurbani, sense of duality dies down with His Blessings, with the sense of Nothingness (I am not body/I am nothing/I am lowest of the lowly) the lotus of heart turns upwards and then the merger occurs. Amrit B{censored} Ram Ras Da katora sidhdhaa kar le ve bandeaa:).

Tuhada Das
Yograj
 

AmbarDhara

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Mr./Mrs./Ms. SIKH80 Ji,

As far as I remember, I haven't said anything to you or anything to hurt your HONOR, DID I?

If I did, please please please forgive me. I touch your feet Ji, Please Please Please forgive me.

If you remember, In the past I have made it clear that I have nothing to say to you.
Your path is clear: creating Own Concepts.

My path is clear: Guru has already created path(concepts) for me, I have to walk it with His Blessings.

So we can't disscuss anything, both paths are in opposite direction to each other:).

I am seeking others who have the same kind of path as I have, with a purpose to do SatSang with them, so I ask questions to others, any time I feel the hope.

Very very very sorry for posting anything that hurt you.

From now on everytime I post in a thread you start : I will ask for your permission to post, alright.

Happy now:).

SORRY SORRY SORRY VERY SORRY FOR HURTING YOU. I HAD NO IDEA THAT YOU ARE THIS MUCH TROUBLED WITH MY FAITH. I CANT CHANGE MY FAITH, I AM SORRY FOR THAT TOO. I NEVER ASKED YOU OR ANY OTHERS TO CHANGE THEIR FAITH EITHER. NEITHER I HAVE TOLD YOU OR OTHERS TO TAKE PAUSE OR STOP WALKING THEIR OWN PATH.

I am not at WAR- already filled with peace -Guru Shabad is taking care of everything.

I am cool enough, thankyou for the warning though. For me neech sardara123, 'Guru is correct'. I dont need any corrections from anybody in Guru's Word. There is no distinction between Guru and God. Guru Nanak Dev Ji is Hari-Parmatama-Waheguru Hiself.


Sardara123,

Nobody can change the truth. Gurbani Sat Hai, No translations can change the meanings around. Same concepts are explained in the simplest as well as the toughest form of language:). Same concept is being told again and again for complete clarification:). So there is no way we misunderstand anything.

Gurbani is for all, not just a few selected ones. Guru Ji started this mission for the whole humanity. Simple Straightforward way to be one with Ikoankaar.
 

Astroboy

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Khojat Ji,

Here are some references from Sri Granth about nether worlds. It would provide both you and me a more wholesome picture on how it appears in different shabads.
</B>Page 2, Line 17
ਸੁਣਿਐ ਦੀਪ ਲੋਅ ਪਾਤਾਲ ॥
Suṇi&shy;ai ḏīp lo&shy;a pāṯāl.
Listening-the oceans, the lands of the world and the nether regions of the underworld.
Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/SalokPage 5, Line 2
ਪਾਤਾਲਾ ਪਾਤਾਲ ਲਖ ਆਗਾਸਾ ਆਗਾਸ ॥
Pāṯālā pāṯāl lakẖ āgāsā āgās.
There are nether worlds beneath nether worlds, and hundreds of thousands of heavenly worlds above.
Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/SalokPage 7, Line 11
ਪਵਣ ਪਾਣੀ ਅਗਨੀ ਪਾਤਾਲ ॥
Pavaṇ pāṇī agnī pāṯāl.
wind, water, fire and the nether regions -
Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/SalokPage 62, Line 2
ਆਕਾਸੀ ਪਾਤਾਲਿ ਤੂੰ ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਣਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਇ ॥
Akāsī pāṯāl ṯūʼn ṯaribẖavaṇ rahi&shy;ā samā&shy;ė.
You are pervading throughout the Akaashic Ethers, the nether regions and the three worlds.
Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/SalokPage 71, Line 15
ਤੇਰਾ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਆ ਸੁਰਗਿ ਮਛਿ ਪਇਆਲਿ ਜੀਉ ॥੧॥
Ŧėrā anṯ na pā&shy;i&shy;ā surag macẖẖ pa&shy;i&shy;āl jī&shy;o. ||1||
Your limits are not known to any of the beings in the heavens, in this world, or in the nether regions of the underworld. ||1||
Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/SalokPage 74, Line 7
ਤੂੰ ਦੀਪ ਲੋਅ ਪਇਆਲਿਆ ॥
Ŧūʼn ḏīp lo&shy;a pa&shy;i&shy;āli&shy;ā.
You pervade the continents, the worlds and the nether regions;
Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/SalokPage 126, Line 5
ਘਰ ਮਹਿ ਧਰਤੀ ਧਉਲੁ ਪਾਤਾਲਾ ॥
Gẖar meh ḏẖarṯī ḏẖa&shy;ul pāṯālā.
Within the home of the self is the earth, its support and the nether regions of the underworld.
Guru Amar Das - view Shabad/Paurhi/SalokPage 139, Line 10
ਸੁਇਨੇ ਕੈ ਪਰਬਤਿ ਗੁਫਾ ਕਰੀ ਕੈ ਪਾਣੀ ਪਇਆਲਿ ॥
Su&shy;inė kai parbaṯ gufā karī kai pāṇī pa&shy;i&shy;āl.
I may make a cave, in a mountain of gold, or in the water of the nether regions;
Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/SalokPage 207, Line 5
ਸੁਰਗ ਪਇਆਲ ਮਿਰਤ ਭੂਅ ਮੰਡਲ ਸਰਬ ਸਮਾਨੋ ਏਕੈ ਓਹੀ ॥
Surag pa&shy;i&shy;āl miraṯ bẖū&shy;a mandal sarab samāno ėkai ohī.
In the heavenly paradise, in the nether regions of the underworld, on the planet earth and throughout the galaxies, the One Lord is pervading everywhere.
Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/SalokPage 227, Line 2
ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਕਮਲੁ ਪਇਆਲਿ ਨ ਪਾਇਆ ॥
Barahm kamal pa&shy;i&shy;āl na pā&shy;i&shy;ā.
Brahma entered the lotus, and searched the nether regions, but he did not find the end of it.
Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/SalokPage 228, Line 18
ਡੋਲੁ ਬਧਾ ਕਸਿ ਜੇਵਰੀ ਆਕਾਸਿ ਪਤਾਲਾ ॥੬॥
Dol baḏẖā kas jėvrī ākās paṯālā. ||6||
Like the bucket tied to the rope in the well, you are pulled up to the Akaashic Ethers, and then lowered down to the nether regions of the underworld. ||6||
Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/SalokPage 266, Line 2
ਛੂਟਸਿ ਨਾਹੀ ਊਭ ਪਇਆਲਿ ॥
Cẖẖūtas nāhī ūbẖ pa&shy;i&shy;āl.
You cannot escape to the heavens, or to the nether regions,
Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/SalokPage 276, Line 5
ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਪਾਤਾਲ ਕੇ ਵਾਸੀ ॥
Ka&shy;ī kot pāṯāl kė vāsī.
Many millions inhabit the nether regions.
Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/SalokPage 277, Line 14
ਕਬਹੂ ਊਭ ਅਕਾਸ ਪਇਆਲ ॥
Kabhū ūbẖ akās pa&shy;i&shy;āl.
Sometimes, they are high in the Akaashic Ethers, sometimes in the nether regions of the underworld.
Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/SalokPage 284, Line 12
ਨਾਮ ਕੇ ਧਾਰੇ ਆਗਾਸ ਪਾਤਾਲ ॥
Nām kė ḏẖārė āgās pāṯāl.
The Naam is the Support of the Akaashic ethers and the nether regions.
Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/SalokPage 293, Line 19
ਧਰਨਿ ਮਾਹਿ ਆਕਾਸ ਪਇਆਲ ॥
Ḏẖaran māhi ākās pa&shy;i&shy;āl.
In the earth, in the Akaashic ethers, and in the nether regions of the underworld -
Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/SalokPage 299, Line 17
ਜਲ ਥਲ ਬਨ ਪਰਬਤ ਪਾਤਾਲ ॥
Jal thal ban parbaṯ pāṯāl.
In the water, on the land, in the forests and mountains, and in the nether regions of the underworld,
Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/SalokPage 344, Line 5
ਅਰਧ ਉਰਧ ਬਿਚਿ ਸਮ ਪਹਿਚਾਣਿ ॥
Araḏẖ uraḏẖ bicẖ sam pehcẖāṇ.
that you must recognize the Lord in the nether regions of the underworld as well as the heavens.
Devotee Kabir - view Shabad/Paurhi/SalokPage 347, Line 9
ਗਾਵਨਿ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਮੋਹਣੀਆ ਮਨੁ ਮੋਹਨਿ ਸੁਰਗੁ ਮਛੁ ਪਇਆਲੇ ॥
Gāvniĥ ṯuḏẖno mohṇī&shy;ā man mohan surag macẖẖ pa&shy;i&shy;ālė.
The Mohinis, the heavenly beauties who entice the heart in paradise, in this world and in the nether regions, sing to You.
Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/SalokPage 374, Line 11
ਊਚਾ ਚੜੈ ਸੁ ਪਵੈ ਪਇਆਲਾ ॥
Ūcẖā cẖaṛai so pavai pa&shy;i&shy;ālā.
One who climbs high, shall fall into the nether regions of the underworld.
Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/SalokPage 381, Line 15
ਪਾਤਾਲੀ ਆਕਾਸੀ ਸਖਨੀ ਲਹਬਰ ਬੂਝੀ ਖਾਈ ਰੇ ॥੧॥
Pāṯālī ākāsī sakẖnī lahbar būjẖī kẖā&shy;ī rė. ||1||
The burning desire of the nether regions and the etheric realms is finally quenched and extinguished. ||1||
Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/SalokPage 443, Line 14
ਇਹੁ ਮਨੂਆ ਖਿਨੁ ਊਭ ਪਇਆਲੀ ਭਰਮਦਾ ਇਕਤੁ ਘਰਿ ਆਣੈ ਰਾਮ ॥
Ih manū&shy;ā kẖin ūbẖ pā&shy;i&shy;ālī bẖarmaḏā ikaṯ gẖar āṇai rām.
One moment, this mind is in the heavens, and the next, it is in the nether regions; the Guru brings the wandering mind back to one-pointedness.
Guru Ram Das - view Shabad/Paurhi/SalokPage 464, Line 5
ਕੁਦਰਤਿ ਪਾਤਾਲੀ ਆਕਾਸੀ ਕੁਦਰਤਿ ਸਰਬ ਆਕਾਰੁ ॥
Kuḏraṯ pāṯālī ākāsī kuḏraṯ sarab ākār.
By His Power the nether worlds exist, and the Akaashic ethers; by His Power the entire creation exists.
Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/SalokPage 503, Line 14
ਮਹਾ ਗੰਭੀਰ ਪਤ੍ਰ ਪਾਤਾਲਾ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਰਬ ਜੁਆਇਆ ॥
Mahā gambẖīr paṯar pāṯālā Nānak sarab ju&shy;ā&shy;i&shy;ā.
This lotus is very deep; its leaves are the nether regions, and it is connected to the whole universe.
Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/SalokPage 509, Line 2
ਤਦਹੁ ਆਕਾਸੁ ਨ ਪਾਤਾਲੁ ਹੈ ਨਾ ਤ੍ਰੈ ਲੋਈ ॥
Ŧaḏahu ākās na pāṯāl hai nā ṯarai lo&shy;ī.
At that time, there were no Akaashic Ethers, no nether regions, nor the three worlds.
Guru Amar Das - view Shabad/Paurhi/SalokPage 540, Line 8
ਧਰਤਿ ਪਾਤਾਲੁ ਆਕਾਸੁ ਹੈ ਮੇਰੀ ਜਿੰਦੁੜੀਏ ਸਭ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਵੈ ਰਾਮ ॥
Ḏẖaraṯ pāṯāl ākās hai mėrī jinḏuṛī&shy;ė sabẖ har har nām ḏẖi&shy;āvai rām.
The earth, the nether regions of the underworld, and the Akaashic ethers, O my soul, all meditate on the Name of the Lord, Har, Har.
Guru Ram Das - view Shabad/Paurhi/SalokPage 549, Line 15
ਤੁਧੁ ਜੇਵਡੁ ਦਾਤਾਰੁ ਮੈ ਕੋਈ ਨਦਰਿ ਨ ਆਵਈ ਤੁਧੁ ਸਭਸੈ ਨੋ ਦਾਨੁ ਦਿਤਾ ਖੰਡੀ ਵਰਭੰਡੀ ਪਾਤਾਲੀ ਪੁਰਈ ਸਭ ਲੋਈ ॥੩॥
Ŧuḏẖ jėvad ḏāṯār mai ko&shy;ī naḏar na āvī ṯuḏẖ sabẖsai no ḏān ḏiṯā kẖandī varbẖandī pāṯālī pur&shy;ī sabẖ lo&shy;ī. ||3||
I see none as great as You, O Great Giver; You give in charity to the beings of all the continents, worlds, solar systems, nether regions and universes. ||3||
Guru Ram Das - view Shabad/Paurhi/SalokPage 597, Line 18
ਮਰਤ ਪਇਆਲ ਅਕਾਸੁ ਦਿਖਾਇਓ ਗੁਰਿ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਿ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਧਾਰੀ ਜੀਉ ॥
Maraṯ pa&shy;i&shy;āl akās ḏikẖā&shy;i&shy;o gur saṯgur kirpā ḏẖārī jī&shy;o.
In this world, in the nether regions of the underworld, and in the Akaashic Ethers, the Guru, the True Guru, has shown me the Lord; He has showered me with His Mercy.
Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/SalokPage 676, Line 4
ਸੁਰਗ ਮਿਰਤ ਪਇਆਲ ਭੂ ਮੰਡਲ ਸਗਲ ਬਿਆਪੇ ਮਾਇ ॥
Surag miraṯ pa&shy;i&shy;āl bẖū mandal sagal bi&shy;āpė mā&shy;ė.
Paradise, the earth, the nether regions of the underworld, and the globe of the world - all are engrossed in Maya.
Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/SalokPage 706, Line 3
ਖੰਡ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੰਡ ਪਾਤਾਲ ਦੀਪ ਰਵਿਆ ਸਭ ਲੋਈ ॥
Kẖand barahmand pāṯāl ḏīp ravi&shy;ā sabẖ lo&shy;ī.
He pervades the continents, solar systems, nether worlds, islands and all worlds.
Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
 

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Dear Sikh80,

Never apologise for seeking clarity and understanding. This is the cornerstone of our Faith. We have to seek and contemplate constantly.

I have a few more references from the SGGS JI on the issue of the 14 worlds. Kindly take note;

Siree Raag Bani of Beni Ji (Pg 94) ll3ll

" Your hair is whiter than the Jasmine flowers and your voice is grown feeble, as if it comes form the seventh underworld".

First Mehl (Pg 144) ll2ll

" Neither the just nor the generous, nor any humans at all, nor the seven realms beneath the earth shall remain".

There are other references but the above will suffice to reinforce the concept.

Hope you continue to seekout the Bani and its meaning.

GurFathe!


Sikh80 Ji and Khojat Ji,

There's no my path and your path. Only HIS path.


ਸਲੋਕੁ ਮਃ
सलोकु मः १ ॥
Salok mehlā 1.
Shalok, First Mehl:

ਸੀਹਾ ਬਾਜਾ ਚਰਗਾ ਕੁਹੀਆ ਏਨਾ ਖਵਾਲੇ ਘਾਹ
सीहा बाजा चरगा कुहीआ एना खवाले घाह ॥
Sīhā bājā cẖargā kuhī&shy;ā ėnā kẖavālė gẖāh.
Tigers, hawks, falcons and eagles-the Lord could make them eat grass.

ਘਾਹੁ ਖਾਨਿ ਤਿਨਾ ਮਾਸੁ ਖਵਾਲੇ ਏਹਿ ਚਲਾਏ ਰਾਹ
घाहु खानि तिना मासु खवाले एहि चलाए राह ॥
Gẖāhu kẖān ṯinā mās kẖavālė ėhi cẖalā&shy;ė rāh.
And those animals which eat grass-He could make them eat meat. He could make them follow this way of life.

ਨਦੀਆ ਵਿਚਿ ਟਿਬੇ ਦੇਖਾਲੇ ਥਲੀ ਕਰੇ ਅਸਗਾਹ
नदीआ विचि टिबे देखाले थली करे असगाह ॥
Naḏī&shy;ā vicẖ tibė ḏėkẖālė thalī karė asgāh.
He could raise dry land from the rivers, and turn the deserts into bottomless oceans.

ਕੀੜਾ ਥਾਪਿ ਦੇਇ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹੀ ਲਸਕਰ ਕਰੇ ਸੁਆਹ
कीड़ा थापि देइ पातिसाही लसकर करे सुआह ॥
Kīṛā thāp ḏė&shy;ė pāṯisāhī laskar karė su&shy;āh.
He could appoint a worm as king, and reduce an army to ashes.

ਜੇਤੇ ਜੀਅ ਜੀਵਹਿ ਲੈ ਸਾਹਾ ਜੀਵਾਲੇ ਤਾ ਕਿ ਅਸਾਹ
जेते जीअ जीवहि लै साहा जीवाले ता कि असाह ॥
Jėṯė jī&shy;a jīveh lai sāhā jīvālė ṯā ke asāh.
All beings and creatures live by breathing, but He could keep us alive, even without the breath.

ਨਾਨਕ ਜਿਉ ਜਿਉ ਸਚੇ ਭਾਵੈ ਤਿਉ ਤਿਉ ਦੇਇ ਗਿਰਾਹ ॥੧॥
नानक जिउ जिउ सचे भावै तिउ तिउ देइ गिराह ॥१॥
Nānak ji&shy;o ji&shy;o sacẖė bẖāvai ṯi&shy;o ṯi&shy;o ḏė&shy;ė girāh. ||1||
O Nanak, as it pleases the True Lord, He gives us sustenance. ||1||
 
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namjap ji and khojat ji

You have done pretty resonable job. The only thing that I cannot comprehend is that if one has so strong faith in Guruji, how they get the courage to call others Nanmukh, people with hidden agenda and biased ! I never find any that kind of strong words used by those who are declared manmukh by these true belivers of Guru ji. I feel either this stand of theirs has become a prestige for them or their faith in Guru ji is superficial. Forgive Waheguru if I am wrong.
 

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Pk70 Ji,

No matter which verse/shabad of SGGS we take to understand, we will find that the message/goal is the same. Take a bite from any part of a candy bar and the taste is going to be sweet. SGGS links you with Naam/Shabad/Anhad Bani. That is our Guru. If our intention to come in sadh sangat is to follow Guru Ji, then our face is turned to the Guru. Gurmukh Rom Rom Har Dhiaveh.

If someone with a high level of intolerance calls you a Manmukh, that doesn't make you a Manmukh. He/she only speaks of his/her own short-comings.

Similarly, if somebody who declares his path is the only path to God yet shows arrogance in his choice of words coupled with an exhibit of anger and revenge, it doesn't qualify him on the path of God regardless of which verse he quotes.

Sikhism is not a path of debate but one of Listening, Understanding and Putting into action. Socially we must live in some religion or other, but the real work must be done. Those who remain the mouthpiece of the senses, whose attention is scattered in outer attractions, remain manmukh, even though they may follow the Guru: they will never become gurumukh. Such people remain in ignorance of the real Truth and the wealth of Naam.
 

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Dhan Guru Amar Das Ji's words:

Nanak Bani Nirankaar Paarbrahm Parmesar
Waho Waho Bani Nirankaar Hai Tis Jevad Avar Na Koi
ANG 30
SGGS JI
SATGURU PRASAAD

ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੩ ॥
sireeraag mehalaa 3 ||
Siree Raag, Third Mehl:


ਤ੍ਰੈ ਗੁਣ ਮਾਇਆ ਮੋਹੁ ਹੈ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਚਉਥਾ ਪਦੁ ਪਾਇ ॥
thrai gun maaeiaa mohu hai guramukh chouthhaa padh paae ||
The three qualities hold people in attachment to Maya. The Gurmukh attains the fourth state of higher consciousness.


ਕਰਿ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਮੇਲਾਇਅਨੁ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਵਸਿਆ ਮਨਿ ਆਇ ॥
kar kirapaa maelaaeian har naam vasiaa man aae ||
Granting His Grace, God unites us with Himself. The Name of the Lord comes to abide within the mind.


ਪੋਤੈ ਜਿਨ ਕੈ ਪੁੰਨੁ ਹੈ ਤਿਨ ਸਤਸੰਗਤਿ ਮੇਲਾਇ ॥੧॥
pothai jin kai punn hai thin sathasangath maelaae ||1||
Those who have the treasure of goodness join the Sat Sangat, the True Congregation. ||1||


ਭਾਈ ਰੇ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਸਾਚਿ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
bhaaee rae guramath saach rehaao ||
O Siblings of Destiny, follow the Guru's Teachings and dwell in truth.


ਸਾਚੋ ਸਾਚੁ ਕਮਾਵਣਾ ਸਾਚੈ ਸਬਦਿ ਮਿਲਾਉ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
saacho saach kamaavanaa saachai sabadh milaao ||1|| rehaao ||
Practice truth, and only truth, and merge in the True Word of the Shabad. ||1||Pause||


ਜਿਨੀ ਨਾਮੁ ਪਛਾਣਿਆ ਤਿਨ ਵਿਟਹੁ ਬਲਿ ਜਾਉ ॥
jinee naam pashhaaniaa thin vittahu bal jaao ||
I am a sacrifice to those who recognize the Naam, the Name of the Lord.


ਆਪੁ ਛੋਡਿ ਚਰਣੀ ਲਗਾ ਚਲਾ ਤਿਨ ਕੈ ਭਾਇ ॥
aap shhodd charanee lagaa chalaa thin kai bhaae ||
Renouncing selfishness, I fall at their feet, and walk in harmony with His Will.


ਲਾਹਾ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਮਿਲੈ ਸਹਜੇ ਨਾਮਿ ਸਮਾਇ ॥੨॥
laahaa har har naam milai sehajae naam samaae ||2||
Earning the Profit of the Name of the Lord, Har, Har, I am intuitively absorbed in the Naam. ||2||


ਬਿਨੁ ਗੁਰ ਮਹਲੁ ਨ ਪਾਈਐ ਨਾਮੁ ਨ ਪਰਾਪਤਿ ਹੋਇ ॥
bin gur mehal n paaeeai naam n paraapath hoe ||
Without the Guru, the Mansion of the Lord's Presence is not found, and the Naam is not obtained.


ਐਸਾ ਸਤਗੁਰੁ ਲੋੜਿ ਲਹੁ ਜਿਦੂ ਪਾਈਐ ਸਚੁ ਸੋਇ ॥
aisaa sathagur lorr lahu jidhoo paaeeai sach soe ||
Seek and find such a True Guru, who shall lead you to the True Lord.


ਅਸੁਰ ਸੰਘਾਰੈ ਸੁਖਿ ਵਸੈ ਜੋ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਸੁ ਹੋਇ ॥੩॥
asur sanghaarai sukh vasai jo this bhaavai s hoe ||3||
Destroy your evil passions, and you shall dwell in peace. Whatever pleases the Lord comes to pass. ||3||


ਜੇਹਾ ਸਤਗੁਰੁ ਕਰਿ ਜਾਣਿਆ ਤੇਹੋ ਜੇਹਾ ਸੁਖੁ ਹੋਇ ॥
jaehaa sathagur kar jaaniaa thaeho jaehaa sukh hoe ||
As one knows the True Guru, so is the peace obtained.


ਏਹੁ ਸਹਸਾ ਮੂਲੇ ਨਾਹੀ ਭਾਉ ਲਾਏ ਜਨੁ ਕੋਇ ॥
eaehu sehasaa moolae naahee bhaao laaeae jan koe ||
There is no doubt at all about this, but those who love Him are very rare.


ਨਾਨਕ ਏਕ ਜੋਤਿ ਦੁਇ ਮੂਰਤੀ ਸਬਦਿ ਮਿਲਾਵਾ ਹੋਇ ॥੪॥੧੧॥੪੪॥
naanak eaek joth dhue moorathee sabadh milaavaa hoe ||4||11||44||
O Nanak, the One Light has two forms; through the Shabad, union is attained. ||4||11||44||

Gurbani eis jag meh chaanan
Gurbani har alakh lakhiayaa
Gurbani Gavo Bhaee
charan kamal parabh kay nit Dhi-aava-o


Light merges in Light(itself).
Maya has created the illussion of two forms, where it was only One light. Through Shabad the Union-Oneness is obtained. So O mind, leave the sense of duality.


Guru Ji tells, If we know that there is only one which only happens with Gurprasad- all doubts are erased.

English Translation(source:SikhiToTheMax):
One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:
Aasaa, Third Mehl, Chhant, Third House:
O my beloved friend, dedicate yourself to the devotional worship of your Husband Lord.
Serve your Guru constantly, and obtain the wealth of the Naam.
Dedicate yourself to the worship of your Husband Lord; this is pleasing to your Beloved Husband.
If you walk in accordance with your own will, then your Husband Lord will not be pleased with you.
This path of loving devotional worship is very difficult; how rare are those who find it, through the Gurdwara, the Guru's Gate.
Says Nanak, that one, upon whom the Lord casts His Glance of Grace, links his consciousness to the worship of the Lord. ||1||
O my detached mind, unto whom do you show your detachment?
Those who sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord live in the joy of the Lord, forever and ever.
So become detached, and renounce hypocrisy; Your Husband Lord knows everything.
The One Lord is pervading the water, the land and the sky; the Gurmukh realizes the Command of His Will.
One who realizes the Lord's Command, obtains all peace and comforts.
Thus says Nanak: such a detached soul remains absorbed in the Lord's Love, day and night. ||2||
Wherever you wander, O my mind, the Lord is there with you.
Renounce your cleverness, O my mind, and reflect upon the Word of the Guru's Shabad.
Your Husband Lord is always with you, if you remember the Lord's Name, even for an instant.
The sins of countless incarnations shall be washed away, and in the end, you shall obtain the supreme status.
You shall be linked to the True Lord, and as Gurmukh, remember Him forever.
Thus says Nanak: wherever you go, O my mind, the Lord is there with you. ||3||
Meeting the True Guru, the wandering mind is held steady; it comes to abide in its own home.
It purchases the Naam, chants the Naam, and remains absorbed in the Naam.
The outgoing, wandering soul, upon meeting the True Guru, opens the Tenth Gate.
There, Ambrosial Nectar is food and the celestial music resounds; the world is held spell-bound by the music of the Word.
The many strains of the unstruck melody resound there, as one merges in Truth.
Thus says Nanak: by meeting the True Guru, the wandering soul becomes steady, and comes to dwell in the home of its own self. ||4||
O my mind, you are the embodiment of the Divine Light - recognize your own origin.
O my mind, the Dear Lord is with you; through the Guru's Teachings, enjoy His Love.
Acknowledge your origin, and then you shall know your Husband Lord, and so understand death and birth.
By Guru's Grace, know the One; then, you shall not love any other.
Peace comes to the mind, and gladness resounds; then, you shall be acclaimed.
Thus says Nanak: O my mind, you are the very image of the Luminous Lord; recognize the true origin of your self. ||5||
O mind, you are so full of pride; loaded with pride, you shall depart.
The fascinating Maya has fascinated you, over and over again, and lured you into reincarnation.
Clinging to pride, you shall depart, O foolish mind, and in the end, you shall regret and repent.
You are afflicted with the diseases of ego and desire, and you are wasting your life away in vain.
The foolish self-willed manmukh does not remember the Lord, and shall regret and repent hereafter.
Thus says Nanak: O mind, you are full of pride; loaded with pride, you shall depart. ||6||
O mind, don't be so proud of yourself, as if you know it all; the Gurmukh is humble and modest.
Within the intellect are ignorance and ego; through the True Word of the Shabad, this filth is washed off.
So be humble, and surrender to the True Guru; do not attach your identity to your ego.
The world is consumed by ego and self-identity; see this, lest you lose your own self as well.
Make yourself follow the Sweet Will of the True Guru; remain attached to His Sweet Will.
Thus says Nanak: renounce your ego and self-conceit, and obtain peace; let your mind abide in humility. ||7||
Blessed is that time, when I met the True Guru, and my Husband Lord came into my consciousness.
I became so very blissful, and my mind and body found such a natural peace.
My Husband Lord came into my consciousness; I enshrined Him within my mind, and I renounced all vice.
When it pleased Him, virtues appeared in me, and the True Guru Himself adorned me.
Those humble beings become acceptable, who cling to the One Name and renounce the love of duality.
Thus says Nanak: blessed is the time when I met the True Guru, and my Husband Lord came into my consciousness. ||8||
Some people wander around, deluded by doubt; their Husband Lord Himself has misled them.
They wander around in the love of duality, and they do their deeds in ego.
Their Husband Lord Himself has misled them, and put them on the path of evil. Nothing lies in their power.
You alone know their ups and downs, You, who created the creation.
The Command of Your Will is very strict; how rare is the Gurmukh who understands.
Thus says Nanak: what can the poor creatures do, when You mislead them into doubt? ||9||
O My True Lord Master, True is Your glorious greatness.
You are the Supreme Lord God, the Infinite Lord and Master. Your creative power cannot be described.
True is Your glorious greatness; when You enshrine it within the mind, one sings Your Glorious Praises forever.
He sings Your Glorious Praises, when it is pleasing to You, O True Lord; he centers his consciousness on You.
One whom You unite with Yourself, as Gurmukh, remains absorbed in You.
Thus says Nanak: O my True Lord Master, True is Your Glorious Greatness. ||10||2||7||5||2||7||
source: SikhiToTheMax


Punjabi Translation(source:GuruGranthDarpan):
ArQ:- hy myry (sqsMgI) s`jxo ipAwirE! qusI pRBU-pqI dI BgqI sdw krdy irhw kro, sdw Awpxy gurU dI srn pey rho (qy gurU pwsoN) sB qoN kImqI cIz hir-nwm hwsl kro [ (hy s`jxo!) qusI pRBU-pqI dI hI BgqI krdy rho, ieh BgqI ipAwry pRBU-pqI ƒ psMd AwauNdI hY [ jy (ies jIvn-s&r ivc) qusI AwpxI hI mrzI krdy rhogy qW pRBU-pqI dI pRsMnqw quhwƒ nhIN imlygI [
(pr, hy ipAwirE!) BgqI dw qy pRym dw ieh rsqw bhuq AOkVW-BirAw hY, koeI ivrlw mnu`K ieh rsqw l`Bdw hY jo gurU dy dr qy Aw if`gdw hY [ nwnk AwKdw hY—ijs mnu`K auqy pRBU (Awp) ikrpw krdw hY auh mnu`K Awpxw mn pRBU dI BgqI ivc joVdw hY [1[
ArQ:- hy myry mn! ij`Qy ij`Qy qUM dOVdw iPrdw hYN auQy auQy hI prmwqmw qyry nwl hI rihMdw hY (jy qUM aus ƒ Awpxy nwl v`sdw vyKxw cwhuMdw hYN qW) hy mn! AwpxI cqurweI (dw Awsrw) C`f dyxw cwhIdw hY [ hy mn! gurU dw Sbd Awpxy AMdr sMBwl ky r`K (iPr qYƒ id`s peygw ik) auh Ksm-pRBU sdw qyry nwl rihMdw hY [ (hy mn!) jy qUM iek iKn vwsqy BI prmwqmw dw nwm Awpxy AMdr vsweyN, qW qyry AnykW jnmW dy pwp k`ty jwx, qy, Aw^r qUM sB qoN au~cw Awqmk drjw hwsl kr leyN [
(hy mn!) gurU dI srn pY ky qUM sdw prmwqmw ƒ Awpxy AMdr vsweI r`K, (ies qrHW aus) sdw kwiem rihx vwly prmwqmw nwl qyrw p`kw ipAwr bx jweygw [ nwnk qYƒ ieauN d`sdw hY ik hy mn! ij`Qy ij`Qy qUM Btkdw iPrdw hYN au~Qy au~Qy prmwqmw sdw qyry nwl hI rihMdw hY [3[
(hy BweI!) jy gurU iml pey qW ieh Btkdw mn (Btkxw vloN) ruk jWdw hY, ieh pRBU-crnW ivc Aw itkdw hY [ (iPr ieh) prmwqmw dy nwm dw sOdw krdw hY (Bwv,) prmwqmw dw nwm jpdw rihMdw hY, nwm ivc lIn rihMdw hY [ (hy BweI! jy gurU iml pey qW Btkdw mn (Btkx vloN) ruk jWdw hY (iehI Awqmk AvsQw hY auh) dsvW drvwzw jo ies ƒ l`B pYNdw hY (jo igAwn-ieMidRAW qy krm-ieMidRAW qoN au~cw rihMdw hY) [ aus Awqmk AvsQw ivc (phuMc ky ieh mn) Awqmk jIvn dyx vwly nwm dI ^urwk KWdw hY; (ies dy AMdr) Awqmk Afolqw dI rO c`l pYNdI hY, aus Awqmk AvsQw ivc (ieh mn) gur-Sbd dI brkiq nwl dunIAw dy moh ƒ rok r`Kdw hY [ (ijvyN AnykW iksmW dy swj v`jx nwl bVw suMdr rwg pYdw huMdw hY, iqvyN) aus Awqmk AvsQw ivc (mn dy AMdr, mwno) AnykW sMgIqk swj v`jx l`g pYNdy hn, ies dy AMdr sdw Awnµd bixAw rihMdw hY, mn sdw-iQr prmwqmw ivc lIn rihMdw hY [
(hy BweI! qYƒ) nwnk ieauN d`sdw hY ik gurU iml pey qW ieh Btkdw mn (Btkx vloN) ruk jWdw hY, qy pRBU-crnW ivc Aw itkdw hY [4[
hy myry mn! qUM aus prmwqmw dI AMs hYN jo inrw nUr hI nUr hY (hy mn!) Awpxy aus Asly nwl sWJ bxw [ hy mn! auh prmwqmw sdw qyry AMg-sMg v`sdw hY, gurU dI miq lY ky aus dy imlwp dw suAwd lY [ hy mn! jy qUM Awpxw Aslw smJ leyN qW aus Ksm-pRBU nwl qyrI fUMGI jwx-pCwx bx jweygI, qdoN qYƒ ieh smJ BI Aw jwiegI ik Awqmk mOq kIh cIz hY qy Awqmk izMdgI kIh hY [
hy mn! jy gurU dI ikrpw nwl iek prmwqmw nwl fUMGI sWJ pw leyN, qW qyry AMdr (prmwqmw qoN ibnw) koeI hor moh pRbl nhIN ho skygw [
jdoN mnu`K dy mn ivc SWqI pYdw ho jWdI hY jdoN ies dy AMdr cVHdI klw pRbl ho jWdI hY qdoN ieh pRBU dI hzUrI ivc kbUl ho jWdw hY [
nwnk ieauN d`sdw hY—hy myry mn! qUM aus prmwqmw dI AMs hYN jo inrw cwnx hI cwnx hY (hy mn! Awpxy aus Asly nwl sWJ bxw [5[
hy mn! qUM (hux) AhMkwr nwl ilbiVAw ipAw hYN, AhMkwr nwl l`idAw hoieAw hI (jgq qoN) clw jwvyNgw, (vyKx ƒ) sohxI mwieAw ny qYƒ (Awpxy) moh ivc PswieAw hoieAw hY (ies dw nqIjw ieh inklygw ik) qYƒ muV muV AnykW jUnW ivc pwieAw jwiegw [ hy mUrK mn! jdoN qUM AhMkwr ivc PisAw hoieAw hI (ieQoN) quryNgw qW qurn vyly h`Q mlyNgw, qYƒ AhMkwr cMbiVAw hoieAw hY qYƒ iqRSnw dw rog l`gw hoieAw hY qUM (ieh mnu`Kw) jnm ivArQ gvw irhw hYN [
hy Awp-hudry mUrK mn! qUM prmwqmw ƒ nhIN ismrdw, prlok jw ky APsos kryNgw [ (qYƒ) nwnk ieauN d`sdw hY ik qUM ie`Qy AhMkwr nwl BirAw hoieAw hYN (jgq qoN qurn vyly BI) AhMkwr nwl l`idAw hoieAw hI jwvyNgw [6[
hy mn! vyKIN, ikqy ieh mwx nwh kr bYTIN ik mYN isAwxw hW, gurU dI srn pY ky mwx iqAwgI r`K [ (hy mn!) qyry AMdr prmwqmw qoN iv`Q hY, qyry AMdr ‘mYN, mYN’ krn vwlI Akl hY, ies mYl ƒ sdw-iQr hir-nwm ivc juV ky gurU dy Sbd ivc itk ky dUr kr [ hy mn! inrmwx ho ky gurU dy crnW ivc Fih pau [ vyKIN, ikqy Awpxw Awp jqwx nwh l`g peIN [ jgq Awpxy hI AhMkwr ivc sV irhw hY, vyKIN ikqy qUM BI (AhMkwr ivc pY ky) Awpxy Awp dw nws nw kr leIN [ (ies ^qry qoN qW hI bcyNgw, jy) qUM gurU dy hukm ivc qur ky kMm kryNgw [ (so, hy mn!) gurU dy hukm ivc itikAw rhu [ (hy mn! qYƒ) nwnk ieauN smJWdw hY—hy mn! AhMkwr C`f dy, AhMkwr C`f ky suK pwvyNgw [7[
auh vylw BwgW vwlw sI jdoN mYƒ gurU iml ipAw sI (qy, gurU dI ikrpw nwl) auh Ksm-pRBU myry ic`q ivc Aw v`isAw; myry AMdr bVw Awnµd pYdw hoieAw, myry AMdr Awqmk Afolqw pYdw ho geI, myry mn ny myry ihrdy ny suK AnuBv kIqw [ (gurU dI ikrpw nwl) auh Ksm-pRBU myry ic`q ivc Aw v`isAw, (gurU ny pRBU ƒ) myry mn ivc vsw id`qw, qy myry swry hI AOgux Bulw id`qy [ (hy BweI!) jdoN aus mwlk ƒ cMgw l`gdw hY aus dy gux mnu`K dy AMdr rOSn ho jWdy hn, gurU Awp aus mnu`K dy jIvn ƒ sohxw bxw dyNdw hY [
jyhVy mnu`K isr& hir-nwm ƒ Awpxy ihrdy ivc p`kw kr lYNdy hn, qy mwieAw dw moh AMdroN dUr kr lYNdy hn auh prmwqmw dI drgh ivc kbUl ho jWdy hn [
nwnk ieauN AwKdw hY—BwgW vwlw sI auh vylw jdoN mYƒ gurU iml ipAw sI qy (gurU dI ikrpw nwl) auh Ksm-pRBU myry ic`q ivc Aw v`isAw sI [8[
(hy BweI!) AnykW jIv mwieAw dI Btkxw ivc pY ky kurwhy pey hoey hn, (aus pYdw krn vwly) Ksm-pRBU ny Awp hI kurwhy pwey hoey hn, Ajyhy jIv haumY dy Awsry kMm kr kr ky mwieAw dy moh ivc Btkdy hn [ aus Ksm pRBU ny Awp (auhnW ƒ) shI rsqy qoN KuMJwieAw hoieAw hY qy kurwhy pwieAw hoieAw hY, auhnW jIvW dw koeI zor nhIN c`ldw (ik Awpxy au~dm nwl kumwrg C`f dyx) [
hy pRBU! ijs qYN ny ieh jgq-rcnw rcI hoeI hY qUM Awp hI (kurwhy pey hoey) auhnW jIvW dI cMgI mMdI Awqmk hwlq jwxdw hYN (ijs Anuswr qUM auhnW ƒ kurwhy pwieAw hY) [ qyrw hukm bVw fwFw hY (ijs kr ky jIv kurwhy pey hoey hn) [
(hy BweI!) iksy ivrly BwgW vwly ƒ Ksm-pRBU gurU dI srn pw ky Awpxw hukm smJWdw hY [ nwnk ieauN AwKdw hY—hy pRBU! jy qUM Awp hI jIvW ƒ mwieAw dI Btkxw ivc pw ky izMdgI dy mMdy rsqy pwieAw hoieAw hY, qW ieh ivcwry jIv kIh kr skdy hn? [9[
hy myry sdw-iQr mwlk! qyrw vf`px BI sdw kwiem rihx vwlw hY [ qUM byAMq mwlk hYN, qUM pwrbRhm hYN qyrI qwkq ibAwn nhIN kIqI jw skdI [ hy pRBU! qyrI vifAweI sdw kwiem rihx vwlI hY, ijnHW mnu`KW dy mn ivc qUM ieh vifAweI vsw id`qI hY, auh sdw qyrI is&iq-swlwh dy gIq gWdy hn [ pr qdoN hI qyrI is&iq-swlwh dy gIq gWdy hn jdoN qYƒ auh cMgy l`gdy hn, iPr auh qyry sdw-iQr srUp ivc Awpxw ic`q joVI r`Kdy hn [
hy pRBU! ijs mnu`K ƒ qUM Awp hI Awpxy crnW ivc joVdw hYN auh gurU dI srn pY ky qyrI Xwd ivc lIn rihMdw hY [ (qyrw dws) nwnk ieauN AwKdw hY—hy myry sdw kwiem rihx vwly mwlk! qyrI vifAweI BI sdw kwiem rihx vwlI hY [10[2[7[5[2[7[
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Guru Shabad:
<> siqgur pRswid ]
Awsw mhlw 3 CMq Gru 3 ]
swjn myry pRIqmhu qum sh kI Bgiq kryho ]
guru syvhu sdw Awpxw nwmu pdwrQu lyho ]
Bgiq krhu qum shY kyrI jo sh ipAwry Bwvey ]
Awpxw Bwxw qum krhu qw iPir sh KusI n Awvey ]
Bgiq Bwv iehu mwrgu ibKVw gur duAwrY ko pwvey ]
khY nwnku ijsu kry ikrpw so hir BgqI icqu lwvey ]1]
myry mn bYrwgIAw qUM bYrwgu kir iksu idKwvih ]
hir soihlw iqn@ sd sdw jo hir gux gwvih ]
kir bYrwgu qUM Coif pwKMfu so shu sBu ikCu jwxey ]
jil Qil mhIAil eyko soeI gurmuiK hukmu pCwxey ]
ijin hukmu pCwqw hrI kyrw soeI srb suK pwvey ]
iev khY nwnku so bYrwgI Anidnu hir ilv lwvey ]2]
jh jh mn qUM Dwvdw qh qh hir qyrY nwly ]
mn isAwxp CofIAY gur kw sbdu smwly ]
swiQ qyrY so shu sdw hY ieku iKnu hir nwmu smwlhy ]
jnm jnm ky qyry pwp kty AMiq prm pdu pwvhy ]
swcy nwil qyrw gMFu lwgY gurmuiK sdw smwly ]
ieau khY nwnku jh mn qUM Dwvdw qh hir qyrY sdw nwly ]3]
siqgur imilAY Dwvqu QMim@Aw inj Gir visAw Awey ]
nwmu ivhwJy nwmu ley nwim rhy smwey ]
Dwvqu QMim@Aw siqguir imilAY dsvw duAwru pwieAw ]
iqQY AMimRq Bojnu shj Duin aupjY ijqu sbid jgqu QMim@ rhwieAw ]
qh Anyk vwjy sdw Andu hY scy rihAw smwey ]
ieau khY nwnku siqguir imilAY Dwvqu QMim@Aw inj Gir visAw Awey ]4]
mn qUM joiq srUpu hY Awpxw mUlu pCwxu ]
mn hir jI qyrY nwil hY gurmqI rMgu mwxu ]
mUlu pCwxih qW shu jwxih mrx jIvx kI soJI hoeI ]
gur prswdI eyko jwxih qW dUjw Bwau n hoeI ]
min sWiq AweI vjI vDweI qw hoAw prvwxu ]
ieau khY nwnku mn qUM joiq srUpu hY Apxw mUlu pCwxu ]5]
mn qUM gwrib AitAw gwrib lidAw jwih ]
mwieAw mohxI moihAw iPir iPir jUnI Bvwih ]
gwrib lwgw jwih mugD mn AMiq gieAw pCuqwvhy ]
AhMkwru iqsnw rogu lgw ibrQw jnmu gvwvhy ]
mnmuK mugD cyqih nwhI AgY gieAw pCuqwvhy ]
ieau khY nwnku mn qUM gwrib AitAw gwrib lidAw jwvhy ]6]
mn qUM mq mwxu krih ij hau ikCu jwxdw gurmuiK inmwxw hohu ]
AMqir AigAwnu hau buiD hY sic sbid mlu Kohu ]
hohu inmwxw siqgurU AgY mq ikCu Awpu lKwvhy ]
AwpxY AhMkwir jgqu jilAw mq qUM Awpxw Awpu gvwvhy ]
siqgur kY BwxY krih kwr siqgur kY BwxY lwig rhu ]
ieau khY nwnku Awpu Cif suK pwvih mn inmwxw hoie rhu ]7]
DMnu su vylw ijqu mY siqguru imilAw so shu iciq AwieAw ]
mhw Anµdu shju BieAw min qin suKu pwieAw ]
so shu iciq AwieAw mMin vswieAw Avgx siB ivswry ]
jw iqsu Bwxw gux prgt hoey siqgur Awip svwry ]
sy jn prvwxu hoey ijn@I ieku nwmu idiVAw duqIAw Bwau cukwieAw ]
ieau khY nwnku DMnu su vylw ijqu mY siqguru imilAw so shu iciq AwieAw ]8]
ieik jMq Brim Buly iqin sih Awip Bulwey ]
dUjY Bwie iPrih haumY krm kmwey ]
iqin sih Awip Bulwey kumwrig pwey iqn kw ikCu n vsweI ]
iqn kI giq Avgiq qUMhY jwxih ijin ieh rcn rcweI ]
hukmu qyrw Krw Bwrw gurmuiK iksY buJwey ]
ieau khY nwnku ikAw jMq ivcwry jw quDu Brim Bulwey ]9]
scy myry swihbw scI qyrI vifAweI ]
qUM pwrbRhmu byAMqu suAwmI qyrI kudriq khxu n jweI ]
scI qyrI vifAweI jw kau quDu mMin vsweI sdw qyry gux gwvhy ]
qyry gux gwvih jw quDu Bwvih scy isau icqu lwvhy ]
ijs no qUM Awpy mylih su gurmuiK rhY smweI ]
ieau khY nwnku scy myry swihbw scI qyrI vifAweI ]10]2]7]5]2]7]
 

Daanveer

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Re: Nanak is the Guru, Nanak is the Lord Himself.

A teaching from Gurbani:
Clinging to pride, you shall depart, O foolish mind, and in the end, you shall regret and repent.
You are afflicted with the diseases of ego and desire, and you are wasting your life away in vain.
The foolish self-willed manmukh does not remember the Lord, and shall regret and repent hereafter.
Thus says Nanak: O mind, you are full of pride; loaded with pride, you shall depart. ||6||


Sardara Ji,

Thanks for all the Gurbani posts. Keep up the good job friend.
 

Astroboy

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Re: Nanak is the Guru, Nanak is the Lord Himself.

Daanveer Ji,

Your posts with comments about moderator behaviour has been re-directed to Admin for scrutiny.

Please refrain from posting such comments about Moderators. Take it up with Admin instead.

Please read the forum rules if still in doubt.

~ namjap ~
 

Daanveer

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Re: Nanak is the Guru, Nanak is the Lord Himself.

Daanveer Ji,

Your posts with comments about moderator behaviour has been re-directed to Admin for scrutiny.

Please refrain from posting such comments about Moderators. Take it up with Admin instead.

Please read the forum rules if still in doubt.

~ namjap ~


Thankyou for pointing it out Sir,

I will not use Moderator 'word' any more:up:. Good Job: good lesson for me lowly worm. again free of cost. thanks
 

Daanveer

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Re: Nanak is the Guru, Nanak is the Lord Himself.

Light merges in Light(itself).
Maya has created the illussion of two forms, where it was only One light. Through Shabad the Union-Oneness is obtained. So O mind, leave the sense of duality.

Ambar Ji,

The whole story is about being seperated. Thinking of ourselves to be the 'other'.
Bahut Janam vichchuray thei Madho, eh Janam Tumaray Laikhey.
 

Daanveer

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Re: Is it So??????????????????????????//

Bani Sach Hai............ doesn't matter in which year the lines are composed.
A TRUE SAINT: WHOSE SOUL IS MERGED WITH THE ALMIGHTY(GOD). SO IS THERE A DIFFERENCE??? NO. BUT A SAINT NEVER NEVER SING HIS/HER OWN PRAISES.....................

NO TRUE SAINT calls himself/herself GOD.
BUT A TRUE SAINT KNOWS ABOUT THE OTHER TRUE SAINT, SO ACKNOWLEDGING HIM .................

Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Arjan Dev Ji Maharaaj is telling about Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Nanak Dev Ji.

OUR GURUS ARE SO HUMBLE
THEY HAVE EVEN SUGGESTED THAT NO BODY SHOULD CALL THEM GOD. BUT ONCE ONE KNOWS THE TRUTH, ONCE HEAD BOWS WITH UTMOST RESPECT OVER AND OVER AGAIN.............. AND HEART AND MIND ABSORBS THE TRUTH- TU HI TU.............................

Untill one has doubts about his/her Guru's ability, duality stays lingering in one form or the other..........


SEVAK SIKH POOJAN SABH AAYE............................. read this shabad, in this Shabad Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Sahib is telling that one has to believe the word(order) of his/her Guru as TRUE.

and treatment of doubt is also prescribed by Dhan Dhan Guru Sahib- naam simran/rab nu chete karo/remember Him and only Him.................................................................

Waheguru Rakha

Thanks for a nice explanation. You are being missed Surinder Ji.
 

Sardara123

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Re: Nanak is the Guru, Nanak is the Lord Himself.

A teaching from Gurbani:
Clinging to pride, you shall depart, O foolish mind, and in the end, you shall regret and repent.
You are afflicted with the diseases of ego and desire, and you are wasting your life away in vain.
The foolish self-willed manmukh does not remember the Lord, and shall regret and repent hereafter.
Thus says Nanak: O mind, you are full of pride; loaded with pride, you shall depart. ||6||


Sardara Ji,

Thanks for all the Gurbani posts. Keep up the good job friend.

Danveer Ji,

It is all Guru Kirpa. Let us pray for Sarbat Da Bhalaa(May God Bless All).
 

Sardara123

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Re: Nanak is the Guru, Nanak is the Lord Himself.

Thankyou Sardara Ji, for pointing this out:).
I am learning from this that we must keep our ego controlled:rofl!!:, (a lesson free of cost).
If we keep feeding our ego, will be blinded by it too, we will not be able to see the truth.

.

:)always available free of cost : boot camp:)
 

Astroboy

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Re: Is it So?

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Surinder Jee!

Quote "So Veer Balbir Singh Ji are you suggesting Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is preaching us wrong............ Wow.."
Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee is not preaching. The true Gurus are singing Truth in ecstasy. Imitating them may disturb them specially when someone does not know the origin of their Hymns and notes.

I have not found one instant where Gurdev has suggested one to repeat their written Hymns to achieve any material or spiritual goal. May I ask why so many lectures are available on Internet from Baabaas suggesting to repeat Japujee or other Paaths even Akhand Paaths? Please do not sell this behavior on the name of true Gurus. This is not Sikhi.
What will happen to a person if someone goes on repeating a suggestion from Gurdev in somebody's ears. Should a person go on repeating suggestions from the reverend Gurus, for example 'simar manaa'?
These Baabaas are the living examples of ignorance. Exactly so funny are their explanations.

This is not the Sikhi. True Gurus have given to the world.

Sri Guru Granth Sahib is one of the most valuable God's Gifts to humankind. Rarely someone has understood it, in my experience.

I may be leaving tomorrow for the true Guru's Mission. I wish all great Satsangs in coming days also.


Balbir Singh


Powerful words spoken by Balbir Singh Jee.
Bhai Harjinder Singh Ji (Srinagar Wale) - Simar Manaa Ram Naam Chitare
 

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