Great ! but let me ask you why didn't you call out to god ?
I consider it personally blasphemous, if it is the will of God that I strike a tree at 100mph, whilst frankie goes to hollywood plays very loud, and the rain lashes the road, because a lorry pulls out in front of me, then who am I to ask for help when I put myself in that stupid situation? As it happened, the tyre clipped the kerb, and I ended up hitting it side on, not head on, I walked out unscathed, and went for a burger.
..isn't that proselytising by association, sir ?
I have made it quite clear many times these are my own personal opinions and that others are free to do as they see fit, I cannot see any proselytising myself, if there is, please point it out to me.
what to you is blind faith, is in fact to millions, the word of the guru "ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਸਰੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਸਤਿਵਾਦੀ ਜਿਤੁ ਨਾਤੈ ਕਊਆ ਹੰਸੁ ਹੋਹੈ" [p492 SGGSJ, meaning, crows that dived into the amrit pool came out as white doves (swans)]
I am surprised at this, because you are intelligent man, and the above insults both our intelligence, I can provide you with many quotes from the word of our Guru, that if taken literally, have no reflection on the true meaning of the word. If you are seriously telling me that the above means to you that crows really did dive into Amrit and came out as white doves, then first I would question what is wrong with crows? they are the creation of god, why are doves better? What have you got against crows?
Surely it means that those that immerse themself in naam, lose the blackness of maya, and embrace the whiteness of peace and connection.
Surely you're not suggesting we should question the wisdom of our guru, are you ?
No I am suggesting we question the wisdom of anyone that takes one line quotes and then uses them for their own agenda, however, it is your opinion, and I respect that, and your beliefs, it is interesting to note that you make the above the wisdom of the Guru, but it isn't, it is an english translation taken out of context, to back up your wisdom. It is your wisdom I am questioning.
let us look at the shabad in question
ਗੂਜਰੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੪ ॥
गूजरी महला ४ ॥
Gūjrī mėhlā 4.
Goojaree, Fourth Mehl:
ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਮੁ ਮਨਿ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਮੁ ਮਿਲਿ ਸਤਸੰਗਤਿ ਸਬਦਿ ਮਨੁ ਮੋਹੈ॥
गोविंदु गोविंदु प्रीतमु मनि प्रीतमु मिलि सतसंगति सबदि मनु मोहै ॥
Govinḏ govinḏ parīṯam man parīṯam mil saṯsangaṯ sabaḏ man mohai.
The Lord, the Lord of the Universe is the Beloved of the minds of those who join the Sat Sangat, the True Congregation. The Shabad of His Word fascinates their minds.
ਜਪਿ ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਧਿਆਈਐ ਸਭ ਕਉ ਦਾਨੁ ਦੇਇ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਓਹੈ ॥੧॥
जपि गोविंदु गोविंदु धिआईऐ सभ कउ दानु देइ प्रभु ओहै ॥१॥
Jap govinḏ govinḏ ḏẖi▫ā▫ī▫ai sabẖ ka▫o ḏān ḏe▫e parabẖ ohai. ||1||
Chant, and meditate on the Lord, the Lord of the Universe; God is the One who gives gifts to all. ||1||
ਮੇਰੇ ਭਾਈ ਜਨਾ ਮੋ ਕਉ ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਮਨੁ ਮੋਹੈ॥
मेरे भाई जना मो कउ गोविंदु गोविंदु गोविंदु मनु मोहै ॥
Mere bẖā▫ī janā mo ka▫o govinḏ govinḏ govinḏ man mohai.
O my Siblings of Destiny, the Lord of the Universe, Govind, Govind, Govind, has enticed and fascinated my mind.
ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਵਾ ਮਿਲਿ ਗੁਰ ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਜਨੁ ਸੋਹੈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ॥
गोविंद गोविंद गोविंद गुण गावा मिलि गुर साधसंगति जनु सोहै ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Govinḏ govinḏ govinḏ guṇ gāvā mil gur sāḏẖsangaṯ jan sohai. ||1|| rahā▫o.
I sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord of the Universe, Govind, Govind, Govind; joining the Holy Society of the Guru, Your humble servant is beautified. ||1||Pause||
ਸੁਖ ਸਾਗਰ ਹਰਿ ਭਗਤਿ ਹੈ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਕਉਲਾ ਰਿਧਿ ਸਿਧਿ ਲਾਗੈ ਪਗਿ ਓਹੈ॥
सुख सागर हरि भगति है गुरमति कउला रिधि सिधि लागै पगि ओहै ॥
Sukẖ sāgar har bẖagaṯ hai gurmaṯ ka▫ulā riḏẖ siḏẖ lāgai pag ohai.
Devotional worship to the Lord is an ocean of peace; through the Guru's Teachings, wealth, prosperity and the spiritual powers of the Siddhas fall at our feet.
ਜਨ ਕਉ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮੁ ਆਧਾਰਾ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਤ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੇ ਸੋਹੈ ॥੨॥
जन कउ राम नामु आधारा हरि नामु जपत हरि नामे सोहै ॥२॥
Jan ka▫o rām nām āḏẖārā har nām japaṯ har nāme sohai. ||2||
The Lord's Name is the Support of His humble servant; he chants the Lord's Name, and with the Lord's Name he is adorned. ||2||
ਦੁਰਮਤਿ ਭਾਗਹੀਨ ਮਤਿ ਫੀਕੇ ਨਾਮੁ ਸੁਨਤ ਆਵੈ ਮਨਿ ਰੋਹੈ॥
दुरमति भागहीन मति फीके नामु सुनत आवै मनि रोहै ॥
Ḏurmaṯ bẖāghīn maṯ fīke nām sunaṯ āvai man rohai.
Evil-minded, unfortunate and shallow-minded are those who feel anger in their minds, when they hear the Naam, the Name of the Lord.
ਕਊਆ ਕਾਗ ਕਉ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਰਸੁ ਪਾਈਐ ਤ੍ਰਿਪਤੈ ਵਿਸਟਾ ਖਾਇ ਮੁਖਿ ਗੋਹੈ ॥੩॥
कऊआ काग कउ अम्रित रसु पाईऐ त्रिपतै विसटा खाइ मुखि गोहै ॥३॥
Ka▫ū▫ā kāg ka▫o amriṯ ras pā▫ī▫ai ṯaripṯai vistā kẖā▫e mukẖ gohai. ||3||
You may place ambrosial nectar before crows and ravens, but they will be satisfied only by eating manure and dung with their mouths. ||3||
ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਸਰੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਸਤਿਵਾਦੀ ਜਿਤੁ ਨਾਤੈ ਕਊਆ ਹੰਸੁ ਹੋਹੈ॥
अम्रित सरु सतिगुरु सतिवादी जितु नातै कऊआ हंसु होहै ॥
Amriṯ sar saṯgur saṯivāḏī jiṯ nāṯai ka▫ū▫ā hans hohai.
The True Guru, the Speaker of Truth, is the pool of Ambrosial Nectar; bathing within it, the crow becomes a swan.
ਨਾਨਕ ਧਨੁ ਧੰਨੁ ਵਡੇ ਵਡਭਾਗੀ ਜਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਰਿਦੈ ਮਲੁ ਧੋਹੈ ॥੪॥੨॥
नानक धनु धंनु वडे वडभागी जिन्ह गुरमति नामु रिदै मलु धोहै ॥४॥२॥
Nānak ḏẖan ḏẖan vade vadbẖāgī jinĥ gurmaṯ nām riḏai mal ḏẖohai. ||4||2||
O Nanak, blessed, blessed and very fortunate are those who, through the Guru's Teachings, with the Naam, wash away the filth of their hearts. ||4||2||
Now, I am no expert, but even to a {censored} like me, it is quite clear this has nothing to do with miracles or faith, or pools of water, but connecting with the Guru, if you feel otherwise, let us debate the shabad, I am happy to open a thread.
If so, we'd have to change SPN to WPN, removing the Sikh and replacing it with 'Which Philosophy Net'. That way, both the letter and the spirit of the word of Guru Ramdas is saved.
GIven your manipulation of the above bani to suit your own agenda, I would prefer either to Original's Philosophy Net, at least I have a choice then!
Good Morning, Its Amrit Vela, hope you are up
Even the most literal of literal translators have made a much better attempt than yours.
