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<blockquote data-quote="Randip Singh" data-source="post: 78410" data-attributes="member: 1323"><p>There was a silly debate raging some time ago on another forum that stated Kuttha means "killed meat". It does not according to this Tukh. It means "Ritually Killed meat" i.e. that which has been sacrificed for God (like Halal).</p><p> </p><p>The shabad is not against meat eating. Sikhism is neither for nor against meat eating. It leaves that decision to the individual conscience. This shabad has been cited by some pro-veggie groups as being about not eating meat, as has been pointed by people here, it is not about meat.</p><p> </p><p>There is only one shabad to my knowledge that actually talks about meat, and that is:</p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>Page 1289 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji </strong></span></span></p><p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>mehlaa 1.</strong></span></span></em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>maas maas kar moorakh jhagrhay gi-aan Dhi-aan nahee jaanai.</strong></span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong> </strong></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong><em>ka-un maas ka-un saag kahaavai kis meh paap samaanay.</em> </strong></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong><em>gaiNdaa maar hom jag kee-ay dayviti-aa kee baanay.</em> </strong></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong><em>maas chhod bais nak pakrheh raatee maanas khaanay.</em> </strong></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong><em>farh kar lokaaN no dikhlaavahi gi-aan Dhi-aan nahee soojhai.</em> </strong></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong><em>naanak anDhay si-o ki-aa kahee-ai kahai na kahi-aa boojhai.</em> </strong></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong><em>anDhaa so-ay je anDh kamaavai tis ridai se lochan naahee.</em> </strong></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong><em>maat pitaa kee rakat nipannay machhee maas na khaaNhee.</em></strong></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong></strong></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong><em>First Mehl:</em> </strong></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong><em>The fools argue about flesh and meat, but they know nothing about meditation and spiritual wisdom.</em> </strong></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong><em>What is called meat, and what is called green vegetables? What leads to sin?</em> </strong></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong><em>It was the habit of the gods to kill the rhinoceros, and make a feast of the burnt offering.</em> </strong></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong><em>Those who renounce meat, and hold their noses when sitting near it, devour men at night.</em> </strong></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong><em>They practice hypocrisy, and make a show before other people, but they do not understand anything about meditation or spiritual wisdom.</em> </strong></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong><em>O Nanak, what can be said to the blind people? They cannot answer, or even understand what is said.</em> </strong></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong><em>They alone are blind, who act blindly. They have no eyes in their hearts.</em> </strong></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong><em>They are produced from the blood of their mothers and fathers, but they do not eat fish or meat.</em></strong></span></span></p> </p> </p><p></p><p>If you read Gyani ji's analysis however, it is correct too in a respect.</p><p> </p><p>The essay written by my colleagues and edited by me tackles this issue head on:</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/essays-on-sikhism/8828-fools-who-wrangle-over-flesh.html" target="_blank">http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/essays-on-sikhism/8828-fools-who-wrangle-over-flesh.html</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Randip Singh, post: 78410, member: 1323"] There was a silly debate raging some time ago on another forum that stated Kuttha means "killed meat". It does not according to this Tukh. It means "Ritually Killed meat" i.e. that which has been sacrificed for God (like Halal). The shabad is not against meat eating. Sikhism is neither for nor against meat eating. It leaves that decision to the individual conscience. This shabad has been cited by some pro-veggie groups as being about not eating meat, as has been pointed by people here, it is not about meat. There is only one shabad to my knowledge that actually talks about meat, and that is: [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][B]Page 1289 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji [/B][/FONT][/COLOR] [CENTER][CENTER][CENTER][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial][B]mehlaa 1.[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/COLOR][/CENTER] [CENTER][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial][B]maas maas kar moorakh jhagrhay gi-aan Dhi-aan nahee jaanai.[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial][B] [I]ka-un maas ka-un saag kahaavai kis meh paap samaanay.[/I] [I]gaiNdaa maar hom jag kee-ay dayviti-aa kee baanay.[/I] [I]maas chhod bais nak pakrheh raatee maanas khaanay.[/I] [I]farh kar lokaaN no dikhlaavahi gi-aan Dhi-aan nahee soojhai.[/I] [I]naanak anDhay si-o ki-aa kahee-ai kahai na kahi-aa boojhai.[/I] [I]anDhaa so-ay je anDh kamaavai tis ridai se lochan naahee.[/I] [I]maat pitaa kee rakat nipannay machhee maas na khaaNhee.[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/CENTER] [CENTER][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial][B] [I]First Mehl:[/I] [I]The fools argue about flesh and meat, but they know nothing about meditation and spiritual wisdom.[/I] [I]What is called meat, and what is called green vegetables? What leads to sin?[/I] [I]It was the habit of the gods to kill the rhinoceros, and make a feast of the burnt offering.[/I] [I]Those who renounce meat, and hold their noses when sitting near it, devour men at night.[/I] [I]They practice hypocrisy, and make a show before other people, but they do not understand anything about meditation or spiritual wisdom.[/I] [I]O Nanak, what can be said to the blind people? They cannot answer, or even understand what is said.[/I] [I]They alone are blind, who act blindly. They have no eyes in their hearts.[/I] [I]They are produced from the blood of their mothers and fathers, but they do not eat fish or meat.[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/COLOR][/CENTER][/CENTER] [/CENTER] If you read Gyani ji's analysis however, it is correct too in a respect. The essay written by my colleagues and edited by me tackles this issue head on: [URL]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/essays-on-sikhism/8828-fools-who-wrangle-over-flesh.html[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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