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<blockquote data-quote="pk70" data-source="post: 78376" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p>Quote"GURU JI DIDNT even acknowledge/comment on this...pointer is that this is IRRELEVANT and not worth commenting..( ALL other questions comments answered by Guru Ji)...we just need the Gyaan and Dhyaan and get out of Denial. IMHO..the MEAT question HAS BEEN SETTLED as stupid Jssi ji has written...its of no importance at all.</p><p></p><p><strong>Giani Jarnail Singh,</strong></p><p><strong>Respectfully I ask you, how you can say on one hand, Guru ji" hasnt acknowledge comments on it", then "abhakhya ka kutha bakra khana" vaak is used in favor of meat eating? Where do you stand?</strong></p><p><strong>Coming back to your historical quote. In about four hours they ransacked Lahore? What you are talking about? Why it was only for four hours? Then after that time, did normalcy follow? It lasted for days. The best Principal Surjit singh is better than Bhai Veer Singh ? In his "Sri Guru Granth Sahib Kosh"(154) clearly states that it was about early business of meat in which residents of Lahore were involved in. So lets dump Veer Singh, has Pr surjit Singh written any Gurbani Shabad Kosh that can enrich us, correct us? It is irrelevant to comment if it is not in agreement with Principal Surjit Singh. How many times I wrote here that "abhakhya ka bakra khana" Guru Vaak was not about eating or not eating meat. Even Randip Singh who agrees with on this issue also admits that Shabad is all about hypocrisy, but you keep bringing other stuff. How this Shabad can be tagged to Babur -attack or meat eating.</strong></p><p><strong>I myself do not want to waste time here because examples are given just out of context. As you quoted yesterday, all chaskas should be abandoned to walk on this Guru panth, I agree, then why Vegetarian or non Vegetarian debate is being done ?</strong></p><p><strong>Just to share with you here is another Guru Shabad that may lead us to some good conclusion.</strong></p><p> <span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">mlwr mhlw 1 ] mrx mukiq giq swr n jwnY ] kMTy bYTI gur sbid pCwnY ]1] qU kYsy AwiV PwQI jwil ] AlKu n jwcih irdY sm@wil ]1] rhwau ] <u>eyk jIA kY jIAw KwhI </u>] jil qrqI bUfI jl mwhI ]2] srb jIA kIey pRqpwnI ] jb pkVI qb hI pCuqwnI ]3] jb gil Pws pVI Aiq BwrI ] aUif n swkY pMK pswrI ]4] <u>ris cUgih mnmuiK gwvwir</u> ] PwQI CUtih gux igAwn bIcwir ]5] siqguru syiv qUtY jmkwlu ] ihrdY swcw sbdu sm@wlu ]6] gurmiq swcI sbdu hY swru ] hir kw nwmu rKY auir Dwir ]7] sy duK AwgY ij Bog iblwsy ] nwnk mukiq nhI ibnu nwvY swcy ]8]2]5] (pMnw 1275)</span></span></p><p> </p><p> Randip singh</p><p> Excellent analysysis. This shabad has less to do with meat and more about Hypocrasy.</p><p> Did you know that Brahmins who served their Muslim rulers actually ate Hala meat, just so they could "suck up" to them? There are some interesting history books on this.</p><p><strong>Randip Singh Ji, I agree.</strong></p><p>Saying all this, this translation clears up one thing, i.e. Kutha (as per rehat Maryada) refers to ritual meat and not killed meat as some pro-veggie groups claim.</p><p> <strong>Again I agree, Kutha word is used to high light hypocrisy. Please tell me what it has to do what are vegetarians saying? Are they saying Guru ji says especially in this Shabad that it is against meat eating? I wrote many times to Giani ji that this shabad is all about hypocrisy applicable to all and has nothing to do with meat eating or not eating. The whole shabad is about abandoning hypocrisy and meditate on HIM.</strong></p><p> </p><p> [/FONT]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pk70, post: 78376, member: 5889"] Quote"GURU JI DIDNT even acknowledge/comment on this...pointer is that this is IRRELEVANT and not worth commenting..( ALL other questions comments answered by Guru Ji)...we just need the Gyaan and Dhyaan and get out of Denial. IMHO..the MEAT question HAS BEEN SETTLED as stupid Jssi ji has written...its of no importance at all. [B]Giani Jarnail Singh, Respectfully I ask you, how you can say on one hand, Guru ji" hasnt acknowledge comments on it", then "abhakhya ka kutha bakra khana" vaak is used in favor of meat eating? Where do you stand? Coming back to your historical quote. In about four hours they ransacked Lahore? What you are talking about? Why it was only for four hours? Then after that time, did normalcy follow? It lasted for days. The best Principal Surjit singh is better than Bhai Veer Singh ? In his "Sri Guru Granth Sahib Kosh"(154) clearly states that it was about early business of meat in which residents of Lahore were involved in. So lets dump Veer Singh, has Pr surjit Singh written any Gurbani Shabad Kosh that can enrich us, correct us? It is irrelevant to comment if it is not in agreement with Principal Surjit Singh. How many times I wrote here that "abhakhya ka bakra khana" Guru Vaak was not about eating or not eating meat. Even Randip Singh who agrees with on this issue also admits that Shabad is all about hypocrisy, but you keep bringing other stuff. How this Shabad can be tagged to Babur -attack or meat eating. I myself do not want to waste time here because examples are given just out of context. As you quoted yesterday, all chaskas should be abandoned to walk on this Guru panth, I agree, then why Vegetarian or non Vegetarian debate is being done ? Just to share with you here is another Guru Shabad that may lead us to some good conclusion.[/B] [COLOR=maroon][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]mlwr mhlw 1 ] mrx mukiq giq swr n jwnY ] kMTy bYTI gur sbid pCwnY ]1] qU kYsy AwiV PwQI jwil ] AlKu n jwcih irdY sm@wil ]1] rhwau ] [U]eyk jIA kY jIAw KwhI [/U]] jil qrqI bUfI jl mwhI ]2] srb jIA kIey pRqpwnI ] jb pkVI qb hI pCuqwnI ]3] jb gil Pws pVI Aiq BwrI ] aUif n swkY pMK pswrI ]4] [U]ris cUgih mnmuiK gwvwir[/U] ] PwQI CUtih gux igAwn bIcwir ]5] siqguru syiv qUtY jmkwlu ] ihrdY swcw sbdu sm@wlu ]6] gurmiq swcI sbdu hY swru ] hir kw nwmu rKY auir Dwir ]7] sy duK AwgY ij Bog iblwsy ] nwnk mukiq nhI ibnu nwvY swcy ]8]2]5] (pMnw 1275)[/FONT][/COLOR] Randip singh Excellent analysysis. This shabad has less to do with meat and more about Hypocrasy. Did you know that Brahmins who served their Muslim rulers actually ate Hala meat, just so they could "suck up" to them? There are some interesting history books on this. [B]Randip Singh Ji, I agree.[/B] Saying all this, this translation clears up one thing, i.e. Kutha (as per rehat Maryada) refers to ritual meat and not killed meat as some pro-veggie groups claim. [B]Again I agree, Kutha word is used to high light hypocrisy. Please tell me what it has to do what are vegetarians saying? Are they saying Guru ji says especially in this Shabad that it is against meat eating? I wrote many times to Giani ji that this shabad is all about hypocrisy applicable to all and has nothing to do with meat eating or not eating. The whole shabad is about abandoning hypocrisy and meditate on HIM.[/B] [/FONT] [COLOR=maroon][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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