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<blockquote data-quote="pk70" data-source="post: 78289" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p>Quote"I have also read that the slok quoted on panna 1412 line 10 is written by Guru nanak Ji and that it refers to the butchering of animals in the early hours of dawn....so that meat would be ready for markets...</p><p>BUT then Guru Amardass Ji added His own commentary in Line 11..</p><p>Declaring that the Lahore town of extreme cruelty/slaughter etc has become...Pool of ambroisal Nectar/home of Praise....WHY ??</p><p>Because of the BIRTH of BHAI JETHA JI ( later to become Guru Ramdass Ji )..... see how beautiful this is....the scorching heat of HELL on EARTH miraculously turns into the cooling pool of amrit and home of Praise by the BIRTH of such a Man of God like GURU RAMDASS JI.</p><p>On the surface these two sloks look "contradictive" to each other but explained as above..the logic is clear...GURBANI is never contradictory.</p><p> </p><p>2. Chaska is related to "TONGUE"....taste buds...and <u>EVERYTHING</u> <u>we eat is CHASKA.</u></p><p> <strong> Gyani Jarnail singh ji,You are dead wrong here, chaska goes near to craving also known as tongue taste. If one is hungry, there is need to eat, any kind of food goes to satisfy hunger. Visit the hungry; they take any thing to eat. Even meat doesn’t remain chaska in that situation.</strong></p><p> </p><p> Hasnt anybody not heard a DAHI lover extolling the virtues of a heavenly thall of dahi freshly jammiah hoyah with a desi ghee prautha and achar ?? OR soembody else extolling the heavenly taste of DAAL MAKHNEE..Mahan dee Daal at Guru ramdass Ji Langgar in Amritsar * OUT OF THIS WORLD !!! some ones SAMOSAS...another famous restaurants burfee..soem halwaii's laddoos..churan laddoos..etc etc ALL are CHASKA. in fact this is called SWEET TOOTH...meaning a HABIT for sweets that is ADDICTIVE !! again this is CHASKA...</p><p> <strong>Yes, here again ,craving/chaska to satisfy tongue taste regardless of the form of food. Shouldn't Sikhs pay attention to this point too? Sure, they should. From where have you got idea that all Sikhs don't do that?</strong></p><p> </p><p>2. I find people are being very choosy...whereas GURU JI declares RAS MEETHA..and then Ras MAAS...everybody with an "agenda" is busy attacking the MEAT RASS" and completley IGNORING RASS MEETHA whcih comes FIRST !!! ALL the BABAS..the Taksalis..the AKJs..the derawadees..ALL united against MAAS RASS.....and completly ignoring MEETHA !!! how FUNNY ?? Can anybody quote even ONE BABA preaching AGAINT "MEETHA RASS CHASKA" ?? Who gave us the right to pick and choose ?? Guru Jis LIST has NINE RASS listed..we just PICK "ONE" ( Vegetariansim as a "vehicle to reach GOD" is Brahmin/Hindu/JAIN based baggage we carry - my opinion)>>> WHY JUST ONE RASS ???</p><p>PK JI please answer this..i would be pleased to hear your views.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>First of all, respected Gyani ji, we were discussing about a shabad which has nothing to do with the issue” if eating meat is right or not”; however, it was given that color to that Guru Vaak by you. I just tried to tell you that use the Shabad that fits in your views.</strong></p><p> <strong>Now coming back to MEETHA CHASKA” Guru Sahib also talks about that in Shabad” Baba hor khana khushi khuaar…” it covers all kind of food that is more attached to tongue taste than need of the body. Shabad has bigger application than this as you know, however, meetha chaska is covered though. Why didn’t I pick up? Well the topic was meat, so I was wondering if meat eating is also CHASKA? People crave meat, obviously that is Chaska, and people crave for other foods- sweet or sour- also fall in the same category. Is it Chaska, of course. I am not one of those vegetarians as you pointed out, I don’t eat meat because it is hard for me to eat meat, I visualize innocent animals when I see meat. Where do I stand on this issue? When there is vegetarian food available in million forms then why to eat meat? Why to go on slaughtering innocent animals just for chaska If <u>some one says it is Ok, I don’t say it is sin, if its OK for some, it is fine with me but for that we really do not need imaginary support. </u>Just keep eating whatever you do. Why to question vegetarians either? They may have same views for Vegetarian food as you have on meat eating. If they are the ones who question you on this issue, you are also acting in the same manner, what is the difference between them and you?</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong>3. gur Ji has warned agianst MEETHA RASS getting the better of US..and just see how many Doctors warn us agisnt SUGAR....how many Gurdwaras are now being forced to proivide sugarless Chah due to the DIABETES/BP/OBESITY/etc etc of the SIKH Sangats !!!</p><p>I would be most pleased IF ALL SIKHS would get off this "anti-Meat" bandwagon and get cracking on spreading GURU JIs WARNING on ALL NINE Rass.... YES 9 of them and MEAT is LAST on the list meaning it is the LEAST important</p><p> Meat comes last because of rytham. There is no special reason for that though.</p><p> To be vegetarian being a Sikh is a choice, I am still wondering what kind of bandwagon you are talking about. As per Guru ji teachings, idiots argue over meat because they do not know “gyan,dhyan” Chaskas totally disapprear in that state of mind. </p><p> ....ALL 9 rass are to do with our BODY..SREER and are DANGEROUS TO OUR HEALTH. Stop picking and choosing....<em><u>ONCE we have all CONQUERED all the EIGHT preceeding rass then we can go on to vanquish the meat rass....victory belongs to the KHALSA.</u></em></p><p> </p><p> <strong>Why to wait? Why not start conquering all chaskas all together. That is what Guru ji says unlike you who say that first conquer other chaska before working on meat chaska. Victory belongs to all, not only to Khalsa. Believe me that very effort of yours will put you in the same bandwagon.</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pk70, post: 78289, member: 5889"] Quote"I have also read that the slok quoted on panna 1412 line 10 is written by Guru nanak Ji and that it refers to the butchering of animals in the early hours of dawn....so that meat would be ready for markets... BUT then Guru Amardass Ji added His own commentary in Line 11.. Declaring that the Lahore town of extreme cruelty/slaughter etc has become...Pool of ambroisal Nectar/home of Praise....WHY ?? Because of the BIRTH of BHAI JETHA JI ( later to become Guru Ramdass Ji )..... see how beautiful this is....the scorching heat of HELL on EARTH miraculously turns into the cooling pool of amrit and home of Praise by the BIRTH of such a Man of God like GURU RAMDASS JI. On the surface these two sloks look "contradictive" to each other but explained as above..the logic is clear...GURBANI is never contradictory. 2. Chaska is related to "TONGUE"....taste buds...and [U]EVERYTHING[/U] [U]we eat is CHASKA.[/U] [B] Gyani Jarnail singh ji,You are dead wrong here, chaska goes near to craving also known as tongue taste. If one is hungry, there is need to eat, any kind of food goes to satisfy hunger. Visit the hungry; they take any thing to eat. Even meat doesn’t remain chaska in that situation.[/B] Hasnt anybody not heard a DAHI lover extolling the virtues of a heavenly thall of dahi freshly jammiah hoyah with a desi ghee prautha and achar ?? OR soembody else extolling the heavenly taste of DAAL MAKHNEE..Mahan dee Daal at Guru ramdass Ji Langgar in Amritsar * OUT OF THIS WORLD !!! some ones SAMOSAS...another famous restaurants burfee..soem halwaii's laddoos..churan laddoos..etc etc ALL are CHASKA. in fact this is called SWEET TOOTH...meaning a HABIT for sweets that is ADDICTIVE !! again this is CHASKA... [B]Yes, here again ,craving/chaska to satisfy tongue taste regardless of the form of food. Shouldn't Sikhs pay attention to this point too? Sure, they should. From where have you got idea that all Sikhs don't do that?[/B] 2. I find people are being very choosy...whereas GURU JI declares RAS MEETHA..and then Ras MAAS...everybody with an "agenda" is busy attacking the MEAT RASS" and completley IGNORING RASS MEETHA whcih comes FIRST !!! ALL the BABAS..the Taksalis..the AKJs..the derawadees..ALL united against MAAS RASS.....and completly ignoring MEETHA !!! how FUNNY ?? Can anybody quote even ONE BABA preaching AGAINT "MEETHA RASS CHASKA" ?? Who gave us the right to pick and choose ?? Guru Jis LIST has NINE RASS listed..we just PICK "ONE" ( Vegetariansim as a "vehicle to reach GOD" is Brahmin/Hindu/JAIN based baggage we carry - my opinion)>>> WHY JUST ONE RASS ??? PK JI please answer this..i would be pleased to hear your views. [B]First of all, respected Gyani ji, we were discussing about a shabad which has nothing to do with the issue” if eating meat is right or not”; however, it was given that color to that Guru Vaak by you. I just tried to tell you that use the Shabad that fits in your views.[/B] [B]Now coming back to MEETHA CHASKA” Guru Sahib also talks about that in Shabad” Baba hor khana khushi khuaar…” it covers all kind of food that is more attached to tongue taste than need of the body. Shabad has bigger application than this as you know, however, meetha chaska is covered though. Why didn’t I pick up? Well the topic was meat, so I was wondering if meat eating is also CHASKA? People crave meat, obviously that is Chaska, and people crave for other foods- sweet or sour- also fall in the same category. Is it Chaska, of course. I am not one of those vegetarians as you pointed out, I don’t eat meat because it is hard for me to eat meat, I visualize innocent animals when I see meat. Where do I stand on this issue? When there is vegetarian food available in million forms then why to eat meat? Why to go on slaughtering innocent animals just for chaska If [U]some one says it is Ok, I don’t say it is sin, if its OK for some, it is fine with me but for that we really do not need imaginary support. [/U]Just keep eating whatever you do. Why to question vegetarians either? They may have same views for Vegetarian food as you have on meat eating. If they are the ones who question you on this issue, you are also acting in the same manner, what is the difference between them and you? [/B]3. gur Ji has warned agianst MEETHA RASS getting the better of US..and just see how many Doctors warn us agisnt SUGAR....how many Gurdwaras are now being forced to proivide sugarless Chah due to the DIABETES/BP/OBESITY/etc etc of the SIKH Sangats !!! I would be most pleased IF ALL SIKHS would get off this "anti-Meat" bandwagon and get cracking on spreading GURU JIs WARNING on ALL NINE Rass.... YES 9 of them and MEAT is LAST on the list meaning it is the LEAST important Meat comes last because of rytham. There is no special reason for that though. To be vegetarian being a Sikh is a choice, I am still wondering what kind of bandwagon you are talking about. As per Guru ji teachings, idiots argue over meat because they do not know “gyan,dhyan” Chaskas totally disapprear in that state of mind. ....ALL 9 rass are to do with our BODY..SREER and are DANGEROUS TO OUR HEALTH. Stop picking and choosing....[I][U]ONCE we have all CONQUERED all the EIGHT preceeding rass then we can go on to vanquish the meat rass....victory belongs to the KHALSA.[/U][/I] [B]Why to wait? Why not start conquering all chaskas all together. That is what Guru ji says unlike you who say that first conquer other chaska before working on meat chaska. Victory belongs to all, not only to Khalsa. Believe me that very effort of yours will put you in the same bandwagon.[/B] [/QUOTE]
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