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Gurmat Vichaar
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Meaning Of This Shabad Please Ang 388
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<blockquote data-quote="Archived_member15" data-source="post: 164288" data-attributes="member: 17438"><p><strong>Re: Meaning of this Shabad please</strong></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-size: 12px">It seems to me to be speaking about interior prayer, what Christians might call Prayer of the Heart as opposed to prayer of the head. What is contrasted in this Shabad is, "<em>One who enshrines this rosary of the Lord's Name within his heart</em>" what we might call a true seeker, and one who is merely fixated with exterior, outward forms of prayer. The Granth is telling us to descend from our head into our heart. Don't become attached to outward forms of prayer, to the literal act of counting physical rosary beads, just enshrine the rosary of the true Naam within the very centre of your being, your heart-centre. The Sufis have a saying, "<em>The Mind is the slayer of the Real</em>". Prayer is not an affair of the mind. It is a movement of one's whole being. As long as we talk to God vocally or indeed in our head alone, He remains something external too us and our thoughts will continue to whirl about like airplanes flying in the air. We must create an airport within our hearts for these thoughts to land and dissipate, so that all of our attention can be focused upon the Divine Will. Our focus must descend into our heart, so that our prayer is real and authentic and not a mere repitition of meaningless words. </span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>"...You must descend from</em></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>your head into your heart.</em></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>At present your thoughts of God</em></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>are in your head. And God Himself is,</em></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>as it were, outside you, and</em></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>so your prayer and other spiritual</em></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>exercises</em></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>remain exterior. Whilst you are still</em></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>in your head,</em></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>thoughts will not easily be subdued but</em></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>will always be whirling about, like snow</em></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>in winter or</em></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>clouds of mosquitoes in summer..." </em></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><em><strong>- Saint Theophan the Recluse <span style="font-size: 12px">(1815 - 1894), Eastern Orthodox mystic</span></strong></em></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Archived_member15, post: 164288, member: 17438"] [b]Re: Meaning of this Shabad please[/b] [FONT=Calibri][COLOR=black][SIZE=3][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3][SIZE=3]It seems to me to be speaking about interior prayer, what Christians might call Prayer of the Heart as opposed to prayer of the head. What is contrasted in this Shabad is, "[I]One who enshrines this rosary of the Lord's Name within his heart[/I]" what we might call a true seeker, and one who is merely fixated with exterior, outward forms of prayer. The Granth is telling us to descend from our head into our heart. Don't become attached to outward forms of prayer, to the literal act of counting physical rosary beads, just enshrine the rosary of the true Naam within the very centre of your being, your heart-centre. The Sufis have a saying, "[I]The Mind is the slayer of the Real[/I]". Prayer is not an affair of the mind. It is a movement of one's whole being. As long as we talk to God vocally or indeed in our head alone, He remains something external too us and our thoughts will continue to whirl about like airplanes flying in the air. We must create an airport within our hearts for these thoughts to land and dissipate, so that all of our attention can be focused upon the Divine Will. Our focus must descend into our heart, so that our prayer is real and authentic and not a mere repitition of meaningless words. [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][I]"...You must descend from[/I][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][I]your head into your heart.[/I][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][I]At present your thoughts of God[/I][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][I]are in your head. And God Himself is,[/I][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][I]as it were, outside you, and[/I][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][I]so your prayer and other spiritual[/I][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][I]exercises[/I][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][I]remain exterior. Whilst you are still[/I][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][I]in your head,[/I][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][I]thoughts will not easily be subdued but[/I][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][I]will always be whirling about, like snow[/I][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][I]in winter or[/I][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][I]clouds of mosquitoes in summer..." [/I][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [COLOR=black][SIZE=3][I][B]- Saint Theophan the Recluse [SIZE=3](1815 - 1894), Eastern Orthodox mystic[/SIZE][/B][/I][/SIZE][/COLOR] [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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