All I can offer to this discussion is something that Ikongkaar Khalsa of 3HO and Espanola, NM, once said. She recorded the translation and katha in English of the Daily Hukamnama on Sikhnet last summer. She told the story of Guru Arjan Dev ji . She said he loved his father so much, Guru Ram Das ji. Guru Arjan Dev wanted to please his father by achieving his father's level of holiness. And he couldn't do it, he couldn't figure it out, he couldn't get there. He felt he was such a disappointment. He was so desperate. And then he got it. This is the context for Shabad Hazzare. Guru Ram Das had sent him away to live with his uncle -- then finally Guru Arjan Dev ji understood -- and wrote the Shabad. It is all about love. But whether we get it, depends completely on the Divine One. Submitting to this understanding is the best way to go. That way one's anxiety is lifted. Seva to Guruji then is a pleasant thing. :star: Best I can do, veer ji.