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ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="Chaan Pardesi" data-source="post: 134150" data-attributes="member: 7047"><p>Islam is the most effective tool of imperialism,and has been used as such by the arabs wittingly and inadvertently accepted by those who become its adherents. Other nations usually aquire political and cultural glory through economic power or sword and fire,Islam achieves this aim through the medium of faith inn hazrat Mohamad , the only source of paradise, replete with beautiful virgins, pretty boys and rivers of wine, milk and honey.This lure of paradise has turned all non arab muslims into moths eager to cremate themselves on the flames of the arabian cultural haegamoney, according to Anwar Sheikh a devout muslim scholar!</p><p> </p><p>Owing to its deep rooted tendencies to benefit the Arabs at the expanse of its followers belonging to the foreign lands, it is reasonable to conclude that islam is nothing but the tool of the arab imperialism.</p><p> </p><p>Hazrat Mohamad worked hard to establish the supremacy of the Arab nationalism, including Mecca, Koraish race, the arabic language, arabic culture- that can now be seen depleting other cultures where people have embraced islam.</p><p> </p><p>Reagrading Mecca, Mohamad says"O mecca !by allah you are better than any other part of the earth and dearer to me than the rest of the world.He who agresses against Arabaia , shall not win any love, nor will I intercede for him."[JM Volume 2]</p><p> </p><p>Similarly Mohamad glorifies the Koraishi race as "Of the two tribes that God chose as the best were the decendents of ishmael aaaaand Isaac.God preffered the children of ishmael[arabs] to the children of Isaac[jews].then God created Mohamd in the chosen tribe of Koraish[the decendents of ishamel] and then he vchose the nbest family among the Koraish and created mohamad as the best of men"</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>"May allah destroy those who wish intend to humiliate the Quresh".</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>"The right to rule shall belong to the Quresh even if the two men existed "[bokhari, V 4 ]</p><p> </p><p>In reallity, Mohamad created a model to establsih a divine arab nation as said "You arabs are the best nation ever brought..bidding honour, and forbidding dishonour"[The house of Imran III, 105]</p><p> </p><p>Not only this, the Koran[ written nearly 80-90 years after Mohamad] originally expressed in the arab language is meant for Arabs and not for non arabs!</p><p> </p><p>"By the clear Book, behold, we have made it an arabic koran:haply you will understand"[ornaments XL III,1-4]</p><p> </p><p>The above references form the Koran and hadiths clearly reveal that islam is meant for arabs, being related to mecca, madina, Quresh and arabic languages etc.The non arab muslims have lost to consider intelligently seriously the imperiallist attitude of the arab nationalism created by hazrat Mohamad.</p><p> </p><p>Adoption of islamic and arabic names, arabic culture and dressing mode and praying towards mecca should be soul searching for the non arab muslims who have abandoned their own cuture and language under the influence of the imperialist character of the arabic islam!</p><p> </p><p>The problem today is not islamic phobia, but the inability of the imperiallist brain washed extremist individuals to live with non muslim neighbours.Neither the Koran , nor Mohamad advocated humanism or co existence between islam and non muslims.Islam appears to have been conceived and devised as the religion to end all other religions..This also explains why no country in which muslims are in a majority can have a secular constitution and why no practising ,muslim can be humanist[MRA Baig]</p><p> </p><p>The brother hood of islam is not the universal brotherhood of man.It is the brotherhood of muslims for muslims only.There is a fraternity but it's benfit is confined to those within that corporation.For those who are outside that coporation, there is nothing but contempt and enemity.[Dr Ambedkar]</p><p> </p><p>To the muslim today, thanks to islam, nationalism is incompatible as both schools have totally opposing views and ideologies.The Koran has explictly rejected the basis of nationalism, and clearly states that language , colour and race are no criteria for unity and privilege.The only criteria are belief and virtue.</p><p> </p><p>Religion is the true boundary of nationality.A co religionist becomes a compatriot, and an unbeliever becomes an alien.</p><p> </p><p>The idea of a "nationalist" muslims is absurd as that of a religious communists or capital marxist".</p><p> </p><p>According to Ali M Naqvi, when the ideology of islam expands, nationalism is destroyed, and when nationalsim grows, islam is destroyed and annihilated.This a point worth remembering in countering extremist fanatics.</p><p> </p><p>It must be understood and learnt that a man of religion who cannot defend himself with intelligent debate is always likely to loose and utilise violent means to fight his lost cause.</p><p> </p><p>The violence we see today from such fanatics is simply a lost cause, that needs no support nor understanding to accomodate it.Making Mohamad safe is not the real issue, but making communities safe from such evil and destroying ideologies is the urgent need of the day , I would say.</p><p> </p><p>I have used writings of muslims themselves to highlight the issue of the unfriendliness of this plan by the Arabs; so I would welcome any intelligent responses and views.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaan Pardesi, post: 134150, member: 7047"] Islam is the most effective tool of imperialism,and has been used as such by the arabs wittingly and inadvertently accepted by those who become its adherents. Other nations usually aquire political and cultural glory through economic power or sword and fire,Islam achieves this aim through the medium of faith inn hazrat Mohamad , the only source of paradise, replete with beautiful virgins, pretty boys and rivers of wine, milk and honey.This lure of paradise has turned all non arab muslims into moths eager to cremate themselves on the flames of the arabian cultural haegamoney, according to Anwar Sheikh a devout muslim scholar! Owing to its deep rooted tendencies to benefit the Arabs at the expanse of its followers belonging to the foreign lands, it is reasonable to conclude that islam is nothing but the tool of the arab imperialism. Hazrat Mohamad worked hard to establish the supremacy of the Arab nationalism, including Mecca, Koraish race, the arabic language, arabic culture- that can now be seen depleting other cultures where people have embraced islam. Reagrading Mecca, Mohamad says"O mecca !by allah you are better than any other part of the earth and dearer to me than the rest of the world.He who agresses against Arabaia , shall not win any love, nor will I intercede for him."[JM Volume 2] Similarly Mohamad glorifies the Koraishi race as "Of the two tribes that God chose as the best were the decendents of ishmael aaaaand Isaac.God preffered the children of ishmael[arabs] to the children of Isaac[jews].then God created Mohamd in the chosen tribe of Koraish[the decendents of ishamel] and then he vchose the nbest family among the Koraish and created mohamad as the best of men" "May allah destroy those who wish intend to humiliate the Quresh". "The right to rule shall belong to the Quresh even if the two men existed "[bokhari, V 4 ] In reallity, Mohamad created a model to establsih a divine arab nation as said "You arabs are the best nation ever brought..bidding honour, and forbidding dishonour"[The house of Imran III, 105] Not only this, the Koran[ written nearly 80-90 years after Mohamad] originally expressed in the arab language is meant for Arabs and not for non arabs! "By the clear Book, behold, we have made it an arabic koran:haply you will understand"[ornaments XL III,1-4] The above references form the Koran and hadiths clearly reveal that islam is meant for arabs, being related to mecca, madina, Quresh and arabic languages etc.The non arab muslims have lost to consider intelligently seriously the imperiallist attitude of the arab nationalism created by hazrat Mohamad. Adoption of islamic and arabic names, arabic culture and dressing mode and praying towards mecca should be soul searching for the non arab muslims who have abandoned their own cuture and language under the influence of the imperialist character of the arabic islam! The problem today is not islamic phobia, but the inability of the imperiallist brain washed extremist individuals to live with non muslim neighbours.Neither the Koran , nor Mohamad advocated humanism or co existence between islam and non muslims.Islam appears to have been conceived and devised as the religion to end all other religions..This also explains why no country in which muslims are in a majority can have a secular constitution and why no practising ,muslim can be humanist[MRA Baig] The brother hood of islam is not the universal brotherhood of man.It is the brotherhood of muslims for muslims only.There is a fraternity but it's benfit is confined to those within that corporation.For those who are outside that coporation, there is nothing but contempt and enemity.[Dr Ambedkar] To the muslim today, thanks to islam, nationalism is incompatible as both schools have totally opposing views and ideologies.The Koran has explictly rejected the basis of nationalism, and clearly states that language , colour and race are no criteria for unity and privilege.The only criteria are belief and virtue. Religion is the true boundary of nationality.A co religionist becomes a compatriot, and an unbeliever becomes an alien. The idea of a "nationalist" muslims is absurd as that of a religious communists or capital marxist". According to Ali M Naqvi, when the ideology of islam expands, nationalism is destroyed, and when nationalsim grows, islam is destroyed and annihilated.This a point worth remembering in countering extremist fanatics. It must be understood and learnt that a man of religion who cannot defend himself with intelligent debate is always likely to loose and utilise violent means to fight his lost cause. The violence we see today from such fanatics is simply a lost cause, that needs no support nor understanding to accomodate it.Making Mohamad safe is not the real issue, but making communities safe from such evil and destroying ideologies is the urgent need of the day , I would say. I have used writings of muslims themselves to highlight the issue of the unfriendliness of this plan by the Arabs; so I would welcome any intelligent responses and views. [/QUOTE]
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