This is what Guru Ji actually taught us how to use GURBANI (the Tools) in the Tool Box (SGGS)..Tejwant Jis expressions borrowed by me with appreciation and thanks...to CHANGE our Daily Lives.
Gurbani is for LIVING...as declared in the Closing Shabad of SGGS...Thaal wich teen vastoo paiyoh..Sat Santokh Vicharo..Amarit naam thakur ka paiyoh, Jis ka Sabhs adharo...Je Ko KHAVEH, Je ko BHUNCHEH tis ka hoi Udharo...GURBANI..has to be "EATEN"...Tasted.. CHEWED...DIGESTED....in order for US to have the Benefits of its "juices"...vitamins..within it...to GROW our "bodies..mann's Health...
SAdly the growing "Pujaree class/neo brahmins and clergy" in Sikhism has enforced the growing tendency among Sikhs to merely BOW, pay obeisance, matha tek money, gifts, make karrah parshad, langgars, etc and place the SGGS in perpetual Rumallas..ONLY to be "read" by PAID Granthis/Ragis/Parcharaks/Jathedars etc and NOT by SIKHS. The Pujarees grabbed thsi RIGHT of SIKHS..and the latter is guilty of RELINQUISHING its Rights through voluntary abdication of responsibilitues fors elf impriovement through Gurbani..and instead choosing the short cut path promised by the DERA BABAS..Dehdharee Guurs, and granthis, jathedars, ragis to.."leave the SGGS paaths/Gurbani to us to read, do paath, sing as Gurbani"...while YOU SIKHS just arrange the PAYMENT. Thus the ENTIRE SIKH NATION is in DEEP STUPOR...we are in trouble..and we are all keeping the TOOL BOX and its TOOLS safely LOCKED UP..and have given the "keys" to the Pujarees/clergy..Guru Arjun ji Called this the PIO DADDEH DA KHAZANAH..which we are supposed to USE for OUR BENEFIT..instead we gave it to the PUJAREES for "safekeeping"...
Its my sincerest hope that this THREAD will help open a lot of closed doors..and allow us all to have a look at the WONDERS Guru Ji left for us...the Pio daddeh da Khazanah...as Ali Baba entered the cave of Treasures and was awed by the rubies and gold ornaments piled up..we SIKHS will see what we have been missing...for so long...:happy::happy:
I totally agree with you with your above statement.Guru is the most powerful and endless ocean of knowledge..........
so sweet...............it sweetens the mind and body so deeply, then nothing else seems that sweet anymore
so bold.................nothing else can overtake it, actually Guru Shabad takes over everything -- your ears hear Gurbani Guru Guru Shabad through everything and everyone
Guru is Majestic....
First of all those are incomplete words of mine so, they do not give the true message.Dear Tejwant Singh ji---
Your words--"It is very common that the beautiful Shabad and its message can be ruined with..........quite insulting to our Gurus........" surprised me... Who can ruin the most powerful, what are you saying??????????? who can insult The Guru????? who has that power???????
I beg to differ because of the reasons given above. Once again, if you get the wrong message than what our Gurus wanted us to give, the message is ruined. What are you getting then? Not the message our GURUS wanted to convey to us so that we could put that into practice to breed goodness within.Nothing can ruin it---------it is infinite--------no one can insult Guru--they can try to do it, but is it possible???? NO WAY.
". Anyone can hurl insults at anyone. The insulter knows what he/she is doing which is insulting the other person or persons, however, it depends on the one towards whom the insults are hurled at how he/ she takes it.no one can insult Guru
Thanks for prejudging me. I do not think that is a Sikhi trait. Giving the benefit of the doubt sure is. I am a work in progress. Sikhi is the journey of the individual, each of us carry our own spiritual torch.There is a genuine reason for me being surprised at your comments as you have made many many claims in the same thread for being with Shabad Guru--- so long on such and such days!!!!! still you are insecure!!!!!
Your above statement has already been answered. It seems, I was not able to convey the message to you the way I wrote it initially. I hope it is clear now. Gyani Arshi is and others understood what I wanted to convey.and are believed to think that someone else has the power to ruin it or insult it!!!!!!
Simpy ji,How can one set their mind to surrender all to Guru if he/she thinks there are others who can ruin his/her Guru....................there are others who can insult his/her Guru..................
Is this you opinion or have you met many scholars and by interacting with them you came to the above conclusion? Please share with us the names of these scholars so we can also learn more about them.It is true when we talk about it as a scholar..... meaning is distorted.. totally agree but only as a scholar.
I agree with you, but if we do not understand or understand it in a wrong way, the message of our GURU, then we can not find the connection. One can only walk after learning how to crawl first.Once we are connected to Guru Ji as a chela, we are protected. We are under devine shelter, He Himself provides the correct understanding
I am a bit confused by your comment above in bold which contradicts your prior statement. As you said GURU does everything which is correct then let Our GURU do the same thing to me when HE finds it fit. Our GURU does not need any person's intervention or advice.All I am trying to say Tejwant Ji, you connect yourself to Gurbani that much... as per your other posts I see, just go another step forward to Guru Ji and believe Him to be the Supreme bestower of divine knowledge, leave alone these translators who distort the meaning. ...
Thanks for you advice once again. If you read my post to which you initially responded to, I exactly did that. I have no idea how you missed it.Share the correct understanding that He has bestowed you.............You wont loose anything.
This is your assertion, not mine. I never said the above nor do I know anyone who has done that on purpose. Please share with us who has done that?Those who mistranslate Gurbani---- some do it intentionally,
I have no idea, I can not judge others why they do it. We are all trying to understand Gurbani in our own ways with references from others like Prof. Sahib Singh ji.some do it because of less understanding of the language or by mistake.
Once again, this is your judgment. Only Ik Ong Kaar knows which milestone each of us is at. Neither yourself, nor me or anyone can find that out no matter how much we try to pretend to know.Those who believe them are also in the same boat.
Then please share with us what methods to use. Finding Sehaj within does not need to be speedy. To the contrary.All are learning, Guru is sitting right there within all of us-----Everybody!!!! right-------The Great Master of all is in all. By indulging into this khel of translations we only slow down our speed.....doesn't effect anybody else.....
Repetitive stuff as usual. Nothing new.Never be afraid of sharing the Truth, but dont indulge in this game of incorrect translations.....just a suggestion Tejwant Ji........... Share the knowledge He has bestowed you........
Once again, I am sorry to say that you are prejudging. Where did I say that or what did I say that you inferred the above from?And please please---Guru is not some anyone---------------- GURU IS THE SUPREME POWER, dont underestimate the Guru
One request, whatever you want to express, please write in English because we have lots of members who do not understand Punjabi.Ik Sikh nu ta eh nahi kehna chahida-- koi anjaan kahe ta keh daey ehnu pata nahi si...
Well, how would you define your following statement in your initial post if not judging?I am not judging you to insult you my dear,
I never claimed anything anywhere. You are reading what is not written.There is a genuine reason for me being surprised at your comments as you have made many many claims in the same thread for being with Shabad Guru--- so long on such and such days!!!!! still you are insecure!!!!!
Only our GURU speaks the TRUTH. No human, either you, myself or anyone else knows the TRUTH. We think we do. TRUTH is only found in SGGS and we seek it through Shabad Vichaar. We humans speak subjectively what we may claim as the truth but it is not. It is just our opinion.I spoke the truth, I felt it should be said,
You are talking like a teacher now who thought he has just scolded his student.LOL. I never said that you were harsh. I have no idea where you got that from. As I said before, one of the Sikhi traits is to give the benefit of the doubt to others rather than claiming to know what they are thinking.I sincerely apologise for being harsh, if you think that's what it is
The above seems to indicate that it is more about you than about our GURU that you mentioned many times in your post. You mean you do not give the benefit of the doubt because you decide on your own what is on someone's mind rather than asking questions to them to clarify things?But I am not a person who will fold the truth in many wraps and then will unfold it one by one .... i am straight forward, especially when it is spiritual matter.
Now you are also judging other members without knowing how or what they think which is interesting to say the leastForgive me if you think I am judging you and trying to teach you something wrong. You can keep believing what you do, just wanted to share my humble thoughts. I just felt to speak up as I felt that it will help you or if not you it will help another reader..... so I did.
Because anybody who will read in one of your post--- this person is connected to God impression. In the other post he/she will read that-- this person is afraid that his/her Guru can be ruined by some other power---.can cofuse a person a lot more than the wrong translations
One more judgment. I never said what you claim that I did. It is all in your own imagination.Guru is the Supreme, Tejwant Ji. how can you even believe He is not, How can you?????????????????after reading so much Gurbani!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! comparing Guru to anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What made you come to the conclusion that Gyani ji and others do not know that GURU is SUPREME?And you mentioned Gyani Arshi Ji and others, I suggest the same thing to all of them too--- Guru is the Supreme, no one can ruin Guru and His message-- Eh bharam hai k koi Guru da mukabla kar sakda, History gavah hai........Guru Sahib ne kain de bharam tode ne.........par bharam da illaj Guru de naal vishaas naal connect ho k hona hai. Shak te bharam rakh k nahi...
One can see that.I repeat myself:
How can one set their mind to surrender all to Guru if he/she thinks there are others who can ruin his/her Guru....................there are others who can insult his/her Guru..................
Yes, very much so. One more request, please use English interpretation in your own words so others can also understand what you are trying to say and participate.Guru mera rakha sabhni thaaee.........................
One more repetition, from which there is nothing new to learn.Another thing I must say--- Tejwant Ji if you were talking about just wrong translatuions and correcting it--- all that i said, it would have not been said -- I said it just because: "It is very common that the beautiful Shabad and its message can be ruined with..........quite insulting to our Gurus........"
Beautiful Shabad is So pwerful Tewant Ji--- it can't be ruined
Guru is so majestic---- who has the capacity to insult Guru Ji!!!!!!