Why make a faith that is rooted in logic, illogical?
this is the very thing our gurus where out to destroy...this beleif in the "paranormal" and here you stand 300 years later embracing it?
dear sinister
our guru's were not atheists.they did beleive in god ,soul,transmigration..please don't mind but you have respect for guru's because you are born in sikh family.other atheists don't have any high regards for our guru's.according to them they too were either mentaly unstable or like other pandits they too
were fooling people.
The reason I asked you if you went to pandits was not to offend you but learn where "paranormal beleivers" (such as yourself) draw the line between reason and utter blindness (assuming you beleive pandits are fake but people being raised with genes from there previous past are true...which if you had any clue of biological processes would know is farce and makes no sense).
utter blindess whether in paranormal or science is dangerous.nowhere i said that i beleive in
genes from past.i beleive in soul which is far from the explanation of science.
science may provide estimates and some logical conclusions for understanding natural phenomena but its a never ending process. Dont critique...participate in science thats the best part.
the beleif in the paranormal cannot even do that
if you read the article that i posted has lot of evidence from scientists.
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One of the most amazing psychic phenomena, which religionists, skeptics and atheists have continuously and deliberately ignored is xenoglossy - the ability to speak or write a foreign language a person never learned.
After all other explanations have been investigated - such as fraud, genetic memory, telepathy and cryptomnesia (the remembering of a foreign language learned earlier), xenoglossy is taken as evidence of either memories of a language learned in a past life or of communication with a discarnate entity- a spirit person.
There are many cases on record of adults and children speaking and writing languages which they have never learned. Sometimes this happens spontaneously but more often it occurs while the person is under hypnosis or in an altered state of consciousness. In some cases it is only a few words remembered but in other cases the person becomes totally fluent and able to converse with native speakers sometimes in obscure dialects which have not been in use for centuries.
Dr Morris Netherton reports one case of a blond, blue-eyed eleven year old boy who under hypnosis was taped for eleven minutes as he spoke in an ancient Chinese dialect. When the tape was taken to a professor at the Department of Oriental Studies at the University of California it turned out to be a recitation from a forbidden religion of Ancient China (Fisher 1986:202).
American medium George Valentine under trance conducted seances in Russian, German, Spanish and Welsh. The Brazilian medium Carlos Mirabelli spoke and wrote long technical documents in more than thirty languages including Syrian and Japanese in the presence of scientists and crowds up to 5,000 (Lazarus 1993: 121).
In 1977 doctors at a state penitentiary in Ohio, USA, discovered that a convicted rapist named Billy Mulligan had become possessed by two new personalities, both of whom communicated in a different language. Mulligan was born and raised in the USA and spoke no foreign languages. But when taken over by Abdul, Mulligan could read and write in perfect Arabic; as Rugen he spoke perfect Serbo-Croat with a thick Slavic accent (Lazarus 1993: 83).
The most obvious explanations of these kinds of cases are either deliberate fraud or that the person concerned learnt the language in early childhood without being aware of it. Careful investigators always take care to thoroughly investigate these two possibilities.
Dr Ian Stevenson
Dr Ian Stevenson is one of the most respected scientists in the United States. He has done specialized research into xenoglossy and his book Xenoglossy (Stevenson 1974) is one of the leading scientific studies in this area. In it he documents a study he made of a 37 year old American woman. Under hypnosis she experienced a complete change of voice and personality into that of a male. She spoke fluently in the Swedish language-a language she did not speak or understand when in the normal state of consciousness.
Dr Stevenson's direct involvement with this case lasted more than eight years. The study involved linguists and other experts and scientists who meticulously investigated every alternative explanation.
Fraud was ruled out for number of substantive reasons which Stevenson outlines in his study. The subject and her physician husband were thoroughly investigated. They were under extreme and continuous close scrutiny, did not want publicity and agreed to the publication of the study only if their names were changed to protect their privacy. Both the husband and wife were considered by their local community to be honest and decent and their behavior exemplary. Certainly there was no motive for personal profit. On the contrary they experienced a great deal of inconvenience to fully complete the study over many years.
Cryptomnesia-the recollection of a foreign language learned in the earlier years of a person's life was also ruled out. Years of investigation of the subject failed to raise any possible suggestion that either she or her parents had learnt the Swedish language in her younger years or associated with anyone Swedish.
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there are recorded cases of xenoglossy where a person has started speaking different language
scientists have no answer to these cases.because these cases are very rare so majority of scientists just try to ignore them these cases are studied by scientists like dr.morris or dr.stevenson.
just because their views are different from traditional scientists it does that it is not science.for me science is open mind which should try to research each and every case casy with open mind
not with rigid mind.
If you want to call me a fanatic then so be it...
please note that it was the beleivers in the "paranormal" that
1) sacrificed animals to gods.
2) gave offerings of milk and honey to gods made of stone despite having starving beggars outside.(this continues)
3) burned "witches" at the stake
4) performed satti
remember one thing.. it was always the "fanatics" (humanists) that stopped them! (these include our gurus)
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i can say the same thing about science.fanatic nazis killed millions of people because of race theories created by science.science created weapons of mass destruction and now thanks to science we are even destroying our planet due to pollution.so the problem is not science or beleif in paranormal but
human nature.
there is no good that comes out of the beleif of the paranormal other than the selfish satisfaction of your ego.
you are confusing paranormal with superstitions, blind rituals,dogma,s.it is beleif in the existence of soul that stop people from doing bad things.
if your still upset about the pea sized brain comment...then my apologies. You have a big brain .... bigger than mine... whether you use it or not is a different story
cheers mate!
yes i was upset.our views based on on our lives,our studies our experiances .our upbringing
which no other person could experiance.we are here to communicate with each other ,exchange our views and learn.if someone does not agree with our views then it does not mean that he has lesser brain.and i am too sorry for calling you a fanatic.
