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<blockquote data-quote="Harry Haller" data-source="post: 170218" data-attributes="member: 14641"><p>Unsurprisingly, I disagree. </p><p></p><p>P397</p><p></p><p>ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ आसा महला ५ ॥ Āsā mėhlā 5. Aasaa, Fifth Mehl:</p><p>ਲਾਖ ਭਗਤ ਆਰਾਧਹਿ ਜਪਤੇ ਪੀਉ ਪੀਉ ॥ लाख भगत आराधहि जपते पीउ पीउ ॥ Lākẖ bẖagaṯ ārāḏẖėh japṯe pī▫o pī▫o. Tens of thousands of devotees worship and adore You, chanting, "Beloved, Beloved".</p><p>ਕਵਨ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਮੇਲਾਵਉ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਬਿਖਈ ਜੀਉ ॥੧॥ कवन जुगति मेलावउ निरगुण बिखई जीउ ॥१॥ Kavan jugaṯ melāva▫o nirguṇ bikẖ▫ī jī▫o. ||1|| How shall You unite me, the worthless and corrupt soul, with Yourself. ||1||</p><p>ਤੇਰੀ ਟੇਕ ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ਗੁਪਾਲ ਦਇਆਲ ਪ੍ਰਭ ॥ तेरी टेक गोविंद गुपाल दइआल प्रभ ॥ Ŧerī tek govinḏ gupāl ḏa▫i▫āl parabẖ. You are my Support, O Merciful God, Lord of the Universe, Sustainer of the World.</p><p>ਤੂੰ ਸਭਨਾ ਕੇ ਨਾਥ ਤੇਰੀ ਸ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਸਭ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ तूं सभना के नाथ तेरी स्रिसटि सभ ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥ Ŧūʼn sabẖnā ke nāth ṯerī sarisat sabẖ. ||1|| rahā▫o. You are the Master of all; the entire creation is Yours. ||1||Pause||</p><p>ਸਦਾ ਸਹਾਈ ਸੰਤ ਪੇਖਹਿ ਸਦਾ ਹਜੂਰਿ ॥ सदा सहाई संत पेखहि सदा हजूरि ॥ Saḏā sahā▫ī sanṯ pekẖėh saḏā hajūr. You are the constant help and support of the Saints, who behold You Ever-present.</p><p>ਨਾਮ ਬਿਹੂਨੜਿਆ ਸੇ ਮਰਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਵਿਸੂਰਿ ਵਿਸੂਰਿ ॥੨॥ नाम बिहूनड़िआ से मरन्हि विसूरि विसूरि ॥२॥ Nām bihūnṛi▫ā se marniĥ visūr visūr. ||2|| Those who lack the Naam, the Name of the Lord, shall die, engulfed in sorrow and pain. ||2||</p><p>ਦਾਸ ਦਾਸਤਣ ਭਾਇ ਮਿਟਿਆ ਤਿਨਾ ਗਉਣੁ ॥ दास दासतण भाइ मिटिआ तिना गउणु ॥ Ḏās ḏāsṯaṇ bẖā▫e miti▫ā ṯinā ga▫oṇ. Those servants, who lovingly perform the Lord's service, are freed from the cycle of reincarnation.</p><p>ਵਿਸਰਿਆ ਜਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਤਿਨਾੜਾ ਹਾਲੁ ਕਉਣੁ ॥੩॥ विसरिआ जिन्हा नामु तिनाड़ा हालु कउणु ॥३॥ visri▫ā jinĥā nām ṯināṛā hāl ka▫uṇ. ||3|| What shall be the fate of those who forget the Naam? ||3||</p><p>ਜੈਸੇ ਪਸੁ ਹਰ੍ਹ੍ਹਿਆਉ ਤੈਸਾ ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ਸਭ ॥ जैसे पसु हर्हिआउ तैसा संसारु सभ ॥ Jaise pas hariĥ▫ā▫o ṯaisā sansār sabẖ. As are the cattle which have strayed, so is the entire world.</p><p>ਨਾਨਕ ਬੰਧਨ ਕਾਟਿ ਮਿਲਾਵਹੁ ਆਪਿ ਪ੍ਰਭ ॥੪॥੪॥੧੦੬॥ नानक बंधन काटि मिलावहु आपि प्रभ ॥४॥४॥१०६॥ Nānak banḏẖan kāt milāvhu āp parabẖ. ||4||4||106|| O God, please cut away Nanak's bonds, and unite him with Yourself. ||4||4||106||</p><p></p><p>what shall be the fate of those who forget Naam, intimates, to me, that those who do not follow Hukam have a different fate for those that do.</p><p></p><p>Nothing is written as permanent, we can be manmukh or Gurmukh, one road leads to death, the other to contentment. I think it is a mistake to accept our lot as kismet, we can change the future by acting in line with Hukam, my opinion only</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harry Haller, post: 170218, member: 14641"] Unsurprisingly, I disagree. P397 ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ आसा महला ५ ॥ Āsā mėhlā 5. Aasaa, Fifth Mehl: ਲਾਖ ਭਗਤ ਆਰਾਧਹਿ ਜਪਤੇ ਪੀਉ ਪੀਉ ॥ लाख भगत आराधहि जपते पीउ पीउ ॥ Lākẖ bẖagaṯ ārāḏẖėh japṯe pī▫o pī▫o. Tens of thousands of devotees worship and adore You, chanting, "Beloved, Beloved". ਕਵਨ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਮੇਲਾਵਉ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਬਿਖਈ ਜੀਉ ॥੧॥ कवन जुगति मेलावउ निरगुण बिखई जीउ ॥१॥ Kavan jugaṯ melāva▫o nirguṇ bikẖ▫ī jī▫o. ||1|| How shall You unite me, the worthless and corrupt soul, with Yourself. ||1|| ਤੇਰੀ ਟੇਕ ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ਗੁਪਾਲ ਦਇਆਲ ਪ੍ਰਭ ॥ तेरी टेक गोविंद गुपाल दइआल प्रभ ॥ Ŧerī tek govinḏ gupāl ḏa▫i▫āl parabẖ. You are my Support, O Merciful God, Lord of the Universe, Sustainer of the World. ਤੂੰ ਸਭਨਾ ਕੇ ਨਾਥ ਤੇਰੀ ਸ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਸਭ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ तूं सभना के नाथ तेरी स्रिसटि सभ ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥ Ŧūʼn sabẖnā ke nāth ṯerī sarisat sabẖ. ||1|| rahā▫o. You are the Master of all; the entire creation is Yours. ||1||Pause|| ਸਦਾ ਸਹਾਈ ਸੰਤ ਪੇਖਹਿ ਸਦਾ ਹਜੂਰਿ ॥ सदा सहाई संत पेखहि सदा हजूरि ॥ Saḏā sahā▫ī sanṯ pekẖėh saḏā hajūr. You are the constant help and support of the Saints, who behold You Ever-present. ਨਾਮ ਬਿਹੂਨੜਿਆ ਸੇ ਮਰਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਵਿਸੂਰਿ ਵਿਸੂਰਿ ॥੨॥ नाम बिहूनड़िआ से मरन्हि विसूरि विसूरि ॥२॥ Nām bihūnṛi▫ā se marniĥ visūr visūr. ||2|| Those who lack the Naam, the Name of the Lord, shall die, engulfed in sorrow and pain. ||2|| ਦਾਸ ਦਾਸਤਣ ਭਾਇ ਮਿਟਿਆ ਤਿਨਾ ਗਉਣੁ ॥ दास दासतण भाइ मिटिआ तिना गउणु ॥ Ḏās ḏāsṯaṇ bẖā▫e miti▫ā ṯinā ga▫oṇ. Those servants, who lovingly perform the Lord's service, are freed from the cycle of reincarnation. ਵਿਸਰਿਆ ਜਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਤਿਨਾੜਾ ਹਾਲੁ ਕਉਣੁ ॥੩॥ विसरिआ जिन्हा नामु तिनाड़ा हालु कउणु ॥३॥ visri▫ā jinĥā nām ṯināṛā hāl ka▫uṇ. ||3|| What shall be the fate of those who forget the Naam? ||3|| ਜੈਸੇ ਪਸੁ ਹਰ੍ਹ੍ਹਿਆਉ ਤੈਸਾ ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ਸਭ ॥ जैसे पसु हर्हिआउ तैसा संसारु सभ ॥ Jaise pas hariĥ▫ā▫o ṯaisā sansār sabẖ. As are the cattle which have strayed, so is the entire world. ਨਾਨਕ ਬੰਧਨ ਕਾਟਿ ਮਿਲਾਵਹੁ ਆਪਿ ਪ੍ਰਭ ॥੪॥੪॥੧੦੬॥ नानक बंधन काटि मिलावहु आपि प्रभ ॥४॥४॥१०६॥ Nānak banḏẖan kāt milāvhu āp parabẖ. ||4||4||106|| O God, please cut away Nanak's bonds, and unite him with Yourself. ||4||4||106|| what shall be the fate of those who forget Naam, intimates, to me, that those who do not follow Hukam have a different fate for those that do. Nothing is written as permanent, we can be manmukh or Gurmukh, one road leads to death, the other to contentment. I think it is a mistake to accept our lot as kismet, we can change the future by acting in line with Hukam, my opinion only [/QUOTE]
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