SSA Ambarsaria Ji.
<style type="text/css"> p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } </style> Dilgeer Singh veer I used "Bhain" because the symbol showing next to your name means a female (the pink Symbol below..
I corrected in my CP. Thanks.
<style type="text/css"> p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } </style> Of course I see that. Now let us look at number. There are probably 300 million people who have given bribery to someone during the course of their lives. Yo get ahead in the line, get a job, get a license, apply anywhere, and basically doing everything. I know I had to to do it many times in India.
There is an equal class of people in 100-300 million who are the takers of bribes/corrupt money.
So basically your view here is that we are stakeholders of corruption. Very True. So, If we, as people, want to formulate a law which curbs the practice and provides timely justice, then I think we are not doing anything unfruitful. What law would do and what current laws of corruption are doing like POCA, I shall post in next part of the reply. But why doesn't or lawmakers want to do it, bcoz they receive the cut. Our tasks like police verification of passport, Ration Depos items, Birth Certificate etc are deliberately delayed. What would you do in that case ? Can u scuffle with police ? No, we can ask for a law Like JanLokpal (Anna's Version, I hope you have read it), which has a citizen charter which demarcates the timeline within which timeline of tasks of each govt department would be given and if it exceeds, then after investigation of delay or demands of bribe, fine would be imposed in the officer involved within again 3 months time and fine shall be cut from the salary of the officer. Citizen charter is just a fragment of the whole bill. I guess you must have followed the news in August during Ramlila Maidan An-Shann, when Municipal Corp of Delhi implemented the Charter and people were getting there jobs done on the same day. Same way with Corp of Mumbai.
Now a law passed by central Government would do what? Isn't there already law against corruption?
Yes, Laws are in place like Prevention of Corruption Act. Take Case of 2G. You cannot convict a MP without permission of the PM, which Manmohan Singh didnt give to Swamy ( Complainant in case of 2G). Eventually after 1.8 Years he had to go to court to pressurize PM to convict Raja. This too happened with Media Pressure. Same way for Any Govt Employee or Judiciary. If any officer sees his senior officer is involved in corruption, he would have to give proof and ask for his senior's permission to convict him for the activity, as per current law. Don't you think it has been made deliberately paradoxical or even life threatening ? Our MPs say, we have the law and we take their word without going into the detail. We should be more subjective about such things.
How would this system ever right itself.
System would never right itself. Reason being that System is bcoz we follow it. Constitution is bcoz we give the constitution the right to govern us. As the Constitution Says in the First line, "We the people of India give ourselves to the Constitution of India ". So, People are supreme. If people believe system is to change, then it must. How would people believe ? Media and campaign of hidden truths, which our rulers don't want us to know must be brought among the masses. Our education level would help us in this. There are people with clear conscious and desire to serve and pain of the current system serving as watchdogs like Anna, Bedi, Kejriwal to inform us of what is happening at higher levels and how it would affect us.
I believe the massive violence rule of truthful and dedicated is the only way. People are not scared of fines or jails.
Why we Sikhs are fascinated by the voilent methods ? Its the most evil method. How would you know that you must kill someone ? If it comes out of despair or pain, I understand. If you are serious, then lets discuss it seriously. How you intend to carry this out ? By giving arms to all ? How would you make sure that A Gun in hands of a youth or even an Adult for that matter, untrained, immature, unaware of implications wont misuse it or be misguided. If Someone says, Sikh or Hindu doesnt hurt anyone. Its Bul*l-Shi*t. What we witnessed in Punjab or elsewhere during terrorism times tell the story ? Many lost the balance of the mind with Guns in their hands and whole agenda went misplaced. Again, If you take to arms, then your rivals, the govt, has means million times stronger than you, to eliminate you within days. Also, on grounds of morality, you would stand culprit as resorting to means otherwise avoidable. You have to be in context. Singh Saab, Realise one thing. If you have vote, you don't need Gun. We are democracy, not monarchy. We don't need Guns. Politicians greatest effort is to survive in the Power. Day when you make him believe he is about to be discarded, The Politician or the Party as a whole would change their decades long agenda to be in alignment with people. Such is the power vested in us.
Now look at Anan Hazare. Perhaps a great man. He is old. He passes away, who will run this campaign? There is no depth.
Well, this is a pessimist approach. You are being sarcastic about future which has not unfolded yet. Its not Anna but millions of people and the Graded level of leadership leading this. You must have witnessed this when Anna went to Jail and people behaved themselves in absence of his guidance. Second level of leadership guided it. So, If Anna is Old, and perhaps he will pass, so it not wise to support such a cause whole-heartedly, bcoz we might be wasting our time, I guess this wont let us anywhere. Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale, change the politics of Punjab within 4-5 years of his life as Mukhi of Taksal.
<style type="text/css"> p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } </style> It is no one's business what goes on in the Golden Temple other than the Sikhs.
This makes us appear arrogant and poses us as not offering us to the Law and Order of the Situation. How we manage our religion is our own business, but when Law and Order situation arises, we are subjects to the Law of the Land. We cannot isolate ourselves on that. How the Operation was conducted, It was deliberately designed to be so, although there were options. General Sunderji was deposed by Indira just bcoz so, as he insisted on alternate means, since he knew the casulties count and infrastructure loss would be high. He must be appreciated. Again, It is not Hinduwaadi agenda, Its Congress Agenda and particularly Indira Agenda to accede to power by exploiting Hindu sentiment, by first showing them as victims and then storming Darbar Sahib. There were many things that our Leaders did wrong that could have been done otherwise, but since they were split, why would anyone come to table with you knowing you are scattered, but would quickly engage you and eliminate you. Operation Bluestar was not possible without consent of Akalis. Indian Government is not responsible for this, as my strong opinion. We have to be subjective of this. Akalis and Punjab machinery was hand in glove with Congress. All Akali "Marjeeware" came out surrendered out of Darbar Sahib. Does that ring a bell ? We have to dissect this issue with the scalpel of Wisdom, truth and without any prejudice.
<style type="text/css"> p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } </style> I totally disagree as you need to know check the history of some of the deras and sects sponsored by the Governments over the years and many decades.
Again, Let us use the Scalpel of our wisdom to dissect this. Tell me one Dera not suported by Akali Govt. Be it Sirsa, Noormahal, bhanirawala. Badal Family is regular visitor. So movement which used to fight against these has sided with them, so how would you expect these deras to go. People are obsessed with Akalis still and dont see the truth. So Danger is within. Day people realise the Nexus of Deras and Akalis, Rush in those deras would come down. In my humble opinion, We must not club all deras into one. Saints like Baba Nand Singh Ji, Baba Attar Singh Ji Mastuana Sahib are gems of the Kaum and Humanity and are living in Deras. Alongside demonstrations, Sikh leaders must do some investigative search into their lives instead of going to arms and bring it before people, People shall know the truth and would stop going to them. As is the Case with Asaaram Bapu. His following has reduced. He too is saved by Gujarat Govt, bcoz of his large following. Day govt realizes he is not being supported by people govt too would not like to get their hands dirty with Such Babas ? So, If our Jathebandis are not doing this, are they ignorant of any such thoughts of bloodless strategy or have any political ambition ?, I am not aware. Why get your turban displaced to stop satsangs of these Govt Backed Babas, Bring out the truth.
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I do not believe the new generation to be stupid and I believe they can think wisely and the future of Sikhism is in their hands.
Wisdom is bounded by the information provided. If that info does not testify to actual set of events in right perspective, it would surely mislead, In material as well as spiritual life. If anarth of actual arth of one slok of Gurbani is done, I would not expect the seeker to know the true message of the our Master.
<style type="text/css"> p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } </style> Do you still believe I am a fanatic
Let me tell you about myself. I can be totally wayward on one issue which I dont know much about. But on another, I could discuss with confidence. So, I am not absolute. Neither a scholar or Dumb. On particular issue, I can be anything of the two. Same way I see the people. No one is absolute but relative. Same way, I guess we must see Kaums or Nations. Few of your statements made me say that statement to be fanatic. One would say so if he is convinced by the idea, unless other ideas gives his thoughts new dimensions. We must always be in dialogue to convince each other.
Bhull Chukk Muaff.
