☀️ JOIN SPN MOBILE
Forums
New posts
Guru Granth Sahib
Composition, Arrangement & Layout
ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
What's new
New posts
New media
New media comments
New resources
Latest activity
Videos
New media
New comments
Library
Latest reviews
Donate
Log in
Register
What's new
New posts
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Welcome to all New Sikh Philosophy Network Forums!
Explore Sikh Sikhi Sikhism...
Sign up
Log in
Discussions
Hard Talk
Bachittar Natak
Hemkunt-Sikhs Chasing Shadows Of Brahmanwaad!
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Gyani Jarnail Singh" data-source="post: 170106" data-attributes="member: 189"><p>The SikhWiki is not the most reliable source but still ..the very first para tells the entire story..Quote: </p><p><strong>Bhai Gurdas Singh</strong> is said to be a contemporary of Sri <a href="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru_Gobind_Singh" target="_blank">Guru Gobind Singh</a> Ji. He is not to be confused with <a href="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Bhai_Gurdas" target="_blank">Bhai Gurdas</a> Ji, who was the scribe of the <a href="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Adi_Granth" target="_blank">Adi Granth</a> under <a href="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru_Arjan_Dev" target="_blank">Guru Arjan Dev</a> Ji. Bhai Gurdas Singh's work was added as a<span style="color: Red"><strong> "supplement" to <a href="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Varan_Bhai_Gurdas" target="_blank">Bhai Gurdas Ji's 40 Vaars</a>, and is known as the "41st Vaar." Bhai Gurdas Singh Ji's work contains the f</strong></span>amous <a href="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Shabad" target="_blank">Shabad</a>: </p><p> <dl><dd>'<strong>ਵਾਹ ਵਾਹ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਆਪੇ ਗਰ ਚੇਲਾ'</strong> </dd><dd><strong>Vah Vah Gobind Singh Ape Gur Chela</strong> </dd><dd> Wow! Wow! Gobind Singh, himself the <a href="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru" target="_blank">Guru</a> and the disciple. </dd><dt></p><p></dt><dt>1. Bhai Gurdas the ORIGINAL uses his name correctly...BUT the SECOND decides to DROP the "SINGH"....why ??? SINGH is a recent title bestowed by Guru Gobind Singh ji ..and ALL those hwo became SINGH carry this name with the HONOUR it deserves..BUT not this unknown fellow...</dt></dl>2. Not only does he drop the SINGH to "merge" with an EARLIER FAMOUS Bhai gurdass Ji..he also "supplements" or adds his Vaar to the 40 Vaar POTHI of Bhai Gurdass Ji.</p><p></p><p></p><p>3. He Only wrote this Just ONE VAAR...found as you said in the <strong>Sarb LOH Granth</strong> (the THIRD GRANTH held in great esteem by the Nihungs and parkash and read by them as much as the DG and SGGS equally. The SARB LOH GRANTH is NOT written by Bhai Gurdass SINGH....yet his vaar is found there and also "supplemented" to Bhai Gurdass Jis Vaars..and No. 41 FOLLOWS as NORMALLY as Vaar 40 ends..Giving absolutely NO INDICATION whatsoever that the AUTHOR has CHANGED and is NOT the same as those of the previous 40 Vaars.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Now what does this TELL YOU ??</p><p></p><p></p><p>Exactly the Same TRICK ha s been employed by the miscreants who "Supplemented" the SGGS with the fake RAAGMAALA. Interestingly the Raagmala author is secret and not revealed..people are meant to ASSUME its a GURU/Bhagta just as the 41st vaar is meant to be ASSUMED as authored by the Most RESPECTABLE and well known Sikh historian Bhai gurdass whose Vaars are sanctioned to be READ as Kirtan !! Interestingly the Exact same Raagmala is word for word in another Granth as well...and over there its NUMBERED CORRECTLY and NOT simply [1] as in SGGS !!! The fake author has to numebr all the lines [1] because he doenst know what to do...ha ha..IF he numbers them according to original source it will be found out..so he took the easy way out..and even more INTERESTINGLY the Benti KABIOBACH Chaupaii taken from the END of Charitro Pakhyaans has been RENUMBERED when added to Rehrass !! So this "Pick and choose" add supplement' and renumber trick has been widely used...to confuse/hide/mingle truth with Fiction and conceal.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Just show me just ONE EXAMPLE from any book/literature in the world where such "tricks" are done...its like ME writing a shitty play and Supplementing it to the Works of Shakespeare...and when caught declare my name to be Shakespeare SINGH !! Who will BUY this and swallow the story hook line and sinker.. ??? Answer: ...The SIKHS..who might begin to regard Works of Shakespeare + Singh as Holy Plays !!!</p><p></p><p></p><p>Its Plain..first the trick was used with bhai Gurdass jis vaars being <strong>supplemented</strong>..then sggs was also supplemented..then one whole granth dg was made supplementary reading. The fake supplementary author uses the name GURDASS ONLY..its the Singhs trying to be so apologetic that invented the SINGH...no proof of him ever using the name SINGH anywhere. No amount of Twist and Turn can make this leaky story stick...</p><p></p><p></p><p>READ the paras 15 , 16 etc of the Supplementary vaar...Clear LIES, almost Vulgar and clearly ANTI MUSLIM and Anti Islam to point being racist. Under the New Laws passed in India this can be easily brought under "HURTING RELIGIOUS SENTIMENTS" of Muslims.</p><p>Sikhs are so gullible..the enemy says a few wonderful words..WAHO WAHO Gobind Singh and uses this SUGAR to coat the POISON later on..no one bothers...they just keep on singing waho waho..</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gyani Jarnail Singh, post: 170106, member: 189"] The SikhWiki is not the most reliable source but still ..the very first para tells the entire story..Quote: [B]Bhai Gurdas Singh[/B] is said to be a contemporary of Sri [URL="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru_Gobind_Singh"]Guru Gobind Singh[/URL] Ji. He is not to be confused with [URL="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Bhai_Gurdas"]Bhai Gurdas[/URL] Ji, who was the scribe of the [URL="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Adi_Granth"]Adi Granth[/URL] under [URL="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru_Arjan_Dev"]Guru Arjan Dev[/URL] Ji. Bhai Gurdas Singh's work was added as a[COLOR=Red][B] "supplement" to [URL="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Varan_Bhai_Gurdas"]Bhai Gurdas Ji's 40 Vaars[/URL], and is known as the "41st Vaar." Bhai Gurdas Singh Ji's work contains the f[/B][/COLOR]amous [URL="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Shabad"]Shabad[/URL]: <dl><dd>'[B]ਵਾਹ ਵਾਹ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਆਪੇ ਗਰ ਚੇਲਾ'[/B] </dd><dd>[B]Vah Vah Gobind Singh Ape Gur Chela[/B] </dd><dd> Wow! Wow! Gobind Singh, himself the [URL="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru"]Guru[/URL] and the disciple. </dd><dt> </dt><dt>1. Bhai Gurdas the ORIGINAL uses his name correctly...BUT the SECOND decides to DROP the "SINGH"....why ??? SINGH is a recent title bestowed by Guru Gobind Singh ji ..and ALL those hwo became SINGH carry this name with the HONOUR it deserves..BUT not this unknown fellow...</dt></dl>2. Not only does he drop the SINGH to "merge" with an EARLIER FAMOUS Bhai gurdass Ji..he also "supplements" or adds his Vaar to the 40 Vaar POTHI of Bhai Gurdass Ji. 3. He Only wrote this Just ONE VAAR...found as you said in the [B]Sarb LOH Granth[/B] (the THIRD GRANTH held in great esteem by the Nihungs and parkash and read by them as much as the DG and SGGS equally. The SARB LOH GRANTH is NOT written by Bhai Gurdass SINGH....yet his vaar is found there and also "supplemented" to Bhai Gurdass Jis Vaars..and No. 41 FOLLOWS as NORMALLY as Vaar 40 ends..Giving absolutely NO INDICATION whatsoever that the AUTHOR has CHANGED and is NOT the same as those of the previous 40 Vaars. Now what does this TELL YOU ?? Exactly the Same TRICK ha s been employed by the miscreants who "Supplemented" the SGGS with the fake RAAGMAALA. Interestingly the Raagmala author is secret and not revealed..people are meant to ASSUME its a GURU/Bhagta just as the 41st vaar is meant to be ASSUMED as authored by the Most RESPECTABLE and well known Sikh historian Bhai gurdass whose Vaars are sanctioned to be READ as Kirtan !! Interestingly the Exact same Raagmala is word for word in another Granth as well...and over there its NUMBERED CORRECTLY and NOT simply [1] as in SGGS !!! The fake author has to numebr all the lines [1] because he doenst know what to do...ha ha..IF he numbers them according to original source it will be found out..so he took the easy way out..and even more INTERESTINGLY the Benti KABIOBACH Chaupaii taken from the END of Charitro Pakhyaans has been RENUMBERED when added to Rehrass !! So this "Pick and choose" add supplement' and renumber trick has been widely used...to confuse/hide/mingle truth with Fiction and conceal. Just show me just ONE EXAMPLE from any book/literature in the world where such "tricks" are done...its like ME writing a shitty play and Supplementing it to the Works of Shakespeare...and when caught declare my name to be Shakespeare SINGH !! Who will BUY this and swallow the story hook line and sinker.. ??? Answer: ...The SIKHS..who might begin to regard Works of Shakespeare + Singh as Holy Plays !!! Its Plain..first the trick was used with bhai Gurdass jis vaars being [B]supplemented[/B]..then sggs was also supplemented..then one whole granth dg was made supplementary reading. The fake supplementary author uses the name GURDASS ONLY..its the Singhs trying to be so apologetic that invented the SINGH...no proof of him ever using the name SINGH anywhere. No amount of Twist and Turn can make this leaky story stick... READ the paras 15 , 16 etc of the Supplementary vaar...Clear LIES, almost Vulgar and clearly ANTI MUSLIM and Anti Islam to point being racist. Under the New Laws passed in India this can be easily brought under "HURTING RELIGIOUS SENTIMENTS" of Muslims. Sikhs are so gullible..the enemy says a few wonderful words..WAHO WAHO Gobind Singh and uses this SUGAR to coat the POISON later on..no one bothers...they just keep on singing waho waho.. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Discussions
Hard Talk
Bachittar Natak
Hemkunt-Sikhs Chasing Shadows Of Brahmanwaad!
This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
Accept
Learn more…
Top