General Help! Looking For A Good Clairvoyant/card Reader. Any Suggestions? Please

[Ishna]

This was what my cousin posted to Facebook last night.

I typed a reply. It was, "Why?"

I'm waiting for her response. Why do people spend their money on this stuff? I'm not sure who to facepalm first, the people handing their money over to someone to tell them fantasy, or the person willingly taking their money for nothing.

Why do people consult clairvoyants? Fortune tellers... card readers...?

It makes me sad.

 

[Harry Haller]

sis, if you have ever consulted such types yourself in the past, then you can answer your own question,

as for card readers, I find Ricoh to be good

 

[guru Daas]

This was what my cousin posted to Facebook last night.

I typed a reply. It was, "Why?"

I'm waiting for her response. Why do people spend their money on this stuff? I'm not sure who to facepalm first, the people handing their money over to someone to tell them fantasy, or the person willingly taking their money for nothing.

Why do people consult clairvoyants? Fortune tellers... card readers...?

It makes me sad.

Ishna ji,
In Gurbani guru ji talks about Clairvoyance its called a Sidhi(Supernatural power) also called Door-Darshan(to see all).There are 18 Sidhis & Clairvoyance is one of them.

ਸਭਿ ਨਿਧਾਨ ਦਸ ਅਸਟ ਸਿਧਾਨ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਕਰ ਤਲ ਧਰਿਆ ॥
All the nine treasures, and the eighteen supernatural powers are held by our Lord and Master in the Palm of His Hand.
ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਬਲਿ ਬਲਿ ਸਦ ਬਲਿ ਜਾਈਐ ਤੇਰਾ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਰਾਵਰਿਆ ॥੪॥੫॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 10}
Servant Nanak is devoted, dedicated, forever a sacrifice to You, Lord. Your Expanse has no limit, no boundary. ||4||5|

These are considered to be of no great merit, are interference in the Lord’s plans, and are a hindrance in the God realization

ਮਨਹਠਿ ਕਿਨੈ ਨ ਪਾਇਓ ਸਭ ਥਕੇ ਕਰਮ ਕਮਾਇ ॥ ਮਨਹਠਿ ਭੇਖ ਕਰਿ ਭਰਮਦੇ ਦੁਖੁ ਪਾਇਆ ਦੂਜੈ ਭਾਇ ॥
No one has ever found the Lord through stubborn mindedness. All have grown weary of performing such actions. Through their stubborn mindedness, and by wearing their disguises, they are deluded; they suffer in pain from the love of duality||
ਰਿਧਿ ਸਿਧਿ ਸਭੁ ਮੋਹੁ ਹੈ ਨਾਮੁ ਨ ਵਸੈ ਮਨਿ ਆਇ ॥ ਗੁਰ ਸੇਵਾ ਤੇ ਮਨੁ ਨਿਰਮਲੁ ਹੋਵੈ ਅਗਿਆਨੁ ਅੰਧੇਰਾ ਜਾਇ ॥ ਨਾਮੁ ਰਤਨੁ ਘਰਿ ਪਰਗਟੁ ਹੋਆ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਹਜਿ ਸਮਾਇ ॥੧॥{ਪੰਨਾ 593}
Riches and the supernatural spiritual powers of the Siddhas are all emotional attachments; through them, the Naam, the Name of the Lord, does not come to dwell in the mind. Serving the Guru, the mind becomes immaculately pure, and the darkness of spiritual ignorance is dispelled. The jewel of the Naam is revealed in the home of one‟s own being; O Nanak, one merges in celestial bliss. || 1 ||

These Supernatural powers do not lead to emancipation & are attachments, These do not permit the Naam to get set in the mind.

 

[chazSingh]

Ishna ji,
In Gurbani guru ji talks about Clairvoyance its called a Sidhi(Supernatural power) also called Door-Darshan(to see all).There are 18 Sidhis & Clairvoyance is one of them.

ਸਭਿ ਨਿਧਾਨ ਦਸ ਅਸਟ ਸਿਧਾਨ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਕਰ ਤਲ ਧਰਿਆ ॥
All the nine treasures, and the eighteen supernatural powers are held by our Lord and Master in the Palm of His Hand.
ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਬਲਿ ਬਲਿ ਸਦ ਬਲਿ ਜਾਈਐ ਤੇਰਾ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਰਾਵਰਿਆ ॥੪॥੫॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 10}
Servant Nanak is devoted, dedicated, forever a sacrifice to You, Lord. Your Expanse has no limit, no boundary. ||4||5|

These are considered to be of no great merit, are interference in the Lord’s plans, and are a hindrance in the God realization

ਮਨਹਠਿ ਕਿਨੈ ਨ ਪਾਇਓ ਸਭ ਥਕੇ ਕਰਮ ਕਮਾਇ ॥ ਮਨਹਠਿ ਭੇਖ ਕਰਿ ਭਰਮਦੇ ਦੁਖੁ ਪਾਇਆ ਦੂਜੈ ਭਾਇ ॥
No one has ever found the Lord through stubborn mindedness. All have grown weary of performing such actions. Through their stubborn mindedness, and by wearing their disguises, they are deluded; they suffer in pain from the love of duality||
ਰਿਧਿ ਸਿਧਿ ਸਭੁ ਮੋਹੁ ਹੈ ਨਾਮੁ ਨ ਵਸੈ ਮਨਿ ਆਇ ॥ ਗੁਰ ਸੇਵਾ ਤੇ ਮਨੁ ਨਿਰਮਲੁ ਹੋਵੈ ਅਗਿਆਨੁ ਅੰਧੇਰਾ ਜਾਇ ॥ ਨਾਮੁ ਰਤਨੁ ਘਰਿ ਪਰਗਟੁ ਹੋਆ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਹਜਿ ਸਮਾਇ ॥੧॥{ਪੰਨਾ 593}
Riches and the supernatural spiritual powers of the Siddhas are all emotional attachments; through them, the Naam, the Name of the Lord, does not come to dwell in the mind. Serving the Guru, the mind becomes immaculately pure, and the darkness of spiritual ignorance is dispelled. The jewel of the Naam is revealed in the home of one‟s own being; O Nanak, one merges in celestial bliss. || 1 ||

These Supernatural powers do not lead to emancipation & are attachments, These do not permit the Naam to get set in the mind.

they definitely are a hindrance to our progress. its very easy when clairevoyance or claireaudience develops that our attention \ dyaan goes to them rather than where we actually intended to go...they can be a big distraction indeed

you can call them supernatural powers, but I feel they are just a bi-product of coming to know of ones true self...just as when we breath our first breath in the physical dimension, we hear sounds and see for the first time from our physical body, when we experience ourselves from deeper dimensions we then see and hear altogether differently..

if we think "wow" this is amazing, and all our focus goes on developing them further and making use of them for Ego, money, self benefit etc...then we have fallen off the cliff..

God Bless

 

[namritanevaeh]

This was what my cousin posted to Facebook last night.

I typed a reply. It was, "Why?"

I'm waiting for her response. Why do people spend their money on this stuff? I'm not sure who to facepalm first, the people handing their money over to someone to tell them fantasy, or the person willingly taking their money for nothing.

Why do people consult clairvoyants? Fortune tellers... card readers...?

It makes me sad.

Ishna ji,

It is probably because they believe in it. As much as you believe that the ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ (Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji) is a "person". As much as you believe that japping naam will give you peace. As much as you believe it's worth spending your hard earned money on your tithe if you do that as a Sikh.

Everyone has things they believe in. I've known some card readers. I've had a reading done once. It's no less a waste of time if you feel like spending your money on that than going to the movies or to a casino...and while I'm not a gambler and not into the casino life, I can't say that's evil if you treat it like any other outing. Your movie costs you 20$? If you go with the intention of spending maximum 20$ and stick to that and don't go over with "one last game" and yet one more last game, etc. It's your fun. Some people play bingo in a crowded room too. It's all what works for you.

I also bought my daughter a tarot card starter kit for Xmas, because she's interested in learning about it.

 

[Ishna]

Turns out I wasn't the only one who asked her "Why?". Her answer was because it's fun, and she's at a fork in the road.

The other person said, "You're smart, you can work it out!" and I said, "Maybe take the money you'd spend on a psychic and go to a massage or day spa, get nice and relaxed, and maybe the answer will come to you more easily."

Cousin replied to us saying thanks, and that we're practical people.

I suppose some people can have fun with it... I just can't stomach that some people take it so seriously, and that so-called psychics can take people's money like that. Horses for courses, I suppose.

Tarot cards can be an interesting tool in self-exploration. They can facilitate pathways to thinking about problems and such from different angles.

 

[namritanevaeh]

Turns out I wasn't the only one who asked her "Why?". Her answer was because it's fun, and she's at a fork in the road.

The other person said, "You're smart, you can work it out!" and I said, "Maybe take the money you'd spend on a psychic and go to a massage or day spa, get nice and relaxed, and maybe the answer will come to you more easily."

Cousin replied to us saying thanks, and that we're practical people.

I suppose some people can have fun with it... I just can't stomach that some people take it so seriously, and that so-called psychics can take people's money like that. Horses for courses, I suppose.

Tarot cards can be an interesting tool in self-exploration. They can facilitate pathways to thinking about problems and such from different angles.

I guess I see that if it's valid to spend it on a massage it's as valid to spend it on a reading. Neither one is "more better" than the other. I say this because I do know some people with psychic tendencies. Who know things they couldn't POSSIBLY know. One friend of a friend approached the friend one day out of the blue, after the friend's dad had passed away, and gave her a message. The friend was understandably freaked. This was before those two were friends at all. She also understandably didn't believe the other lady...at first. Until she described aspects of the friend's dad that she couldn't have known easily. And she knew this wasn't just some random stranger who had met her dad before he died. This was someone who had never met him (while he was alive). ::cue twilight zone music:: now they're good friends. She doesn't bring messages from the dad often. It was like only once or twice. But once it was a good message that they determined probably saved them some heartache (something to do with cooking? Turning off an element? I don't remember details now, couple years after being told the story but for example let's say: when a mere aquaintance calls you up and says go home and turn off your stove for example, and is right? Kinda freaky...eh?)