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<blockquote data-quote="kaur-1" data-source="post: 49961" data-attributes="member: 3025"><p><strong>re: Guru Nanak: A 'False' Prophet ?</strong></p><p></p><p><strong><em>From <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/general-philosophy/14610-answers-to-muslim-questions.html" target="_blank">http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/general-philosophy/14610-answers-to-muslim-questions.html</a></em></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>The website <a href="http://www.sikhs2islam.tk/" target="_blank"> Welcome to Sikhs2Islam</a> has posted a list of questions to Sikhs about so-called “flaws” in the Sikh religion. For believing Sikhs this is of course an absurdity as Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee, the word of God, tells us:</p><p></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><em>“There is only one true Dharma (faith). Gurmat (Sikhism) is complete and perfect through the ages.” </em></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><em>(Ang 1188)</em></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p>Through this attempt to answer the questions posed, we will show that Gurmat is indeed the perfect and eternal faith. The website has the motto “you can’t hide from the truth forever.” Indeed, the truth is that Gurmat is the only complete path and this truth is one that cannot be denied.</p><p></p><p></p><p><u><strong>1. Is Guru Nanak a False Prophet?</strong></u></p><p></p><p>In the list of questions the writer makes the assertion,<p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Black"><em>“According to Sikh Scriptures (more of which later), he had “millions” of followers.”</em></span></p><p>Which Sikh Scriptures claims that he had millions of followers? The absolute absurdity of this article is that the writer is completely unfamiliar with basic Sikh tenets and principles. Sikh scripture is limited to the following: Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee, sacred writings and literature written by Guru Gobind Singh jee, Works of Bhai Gurdas and the works of Bhai Nand Lal Singh. Beyond this are non-scriptural texts that are useful for historical study but not permitted to be sung as scripture in the Gurdwara. These non-scriptural sources are only accepted so far as they coincide with Gurbani. These texts include Rehitnamas, Tankhanama, Janamsakhis, and historical texts like Gurbilas, Panth Parkash, Suraj Parkash, etc. </p><p></p><p>I think the issue here lies with the question of “prophethood”. Guru Nanak Sahib jee was a Satguru. This is MUCH more than a simple prophet. A prophet by default is one who has the ability to reveal prophecies. According to Muslims, Muhammed had the Koran revealed to him through the angel Gabriel. Satguru receives revelations directly from God. Satguru Nanak Sahib jee was called to God’s court and ordered to reveal the divine Naam to the world. It is written clearly in Sri Guru Granth Sahib:</p><p><span style="color: Blue"><em>“Vaheguru gave me His Hukam (Order) to sing His Praises day and night. Vaheguru, my Lord and Master summoned me, His minstrel, to the True Mansion of His Presence. (Vaheguru,) the Image of True Praise and Glory, gave me the Siropaao, robe of honour. The spiritual-life giving Name, Amrit Naam, the True Name, which gives eternal spiritual life, has become my food [sustenance].” </em></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><em>(Ang 150)</em></span></p><p></p><p>As Satguru, Guru Nanak spoke DIRECT revelations from God and did not use any middle-party like Muhammed. Guru Nanak makes this clear when he says:</p><p></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><em>"O Lalo! As the Lord’s word comes to me so I deliver it." </em></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><em>(Ang 722)</em></span></p><p></p><p>There are numerous references like this in Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee. Another example is: </p><p></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><em>"I myself know not what to say; all I speak is what the Lord commands." </em></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><em>(Ang 763)</em></span></p><p></p><p></p><p>You have supplied a quote attributed to Guru Nanak Sahib jee <em>“There is no Muslim, there is no Hindu.”</em> This is not found ANYWHERE in Sikh scripture. The closest that can be found is <span style="color: Blue"><em>“Neither am I Hindu nor Muslim” (Ang 1136). </em></span></p><p></p><p></p><p>The article further says,<p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>When a person claims Prophethood, this claim must then be verified. Prophets throughout history have brought miracles to demonstrate to their people (Moses, Abraham, David, and Others, may peace be upon them all). For example Moses spilt the Red Sea, David was able to melt metal in his hands, and Abraham was able to withstand fire. These miracles have been verified both through scriptures and through science. </em></p><p>I would be interested in knowing how these so-called miracles were verified through science? Were there scientific studies carried out on the veracity of these miracles when they were carried out? Spiritual powers, otherwise known as “ridhi sidhis” are very common in the Indic tradition. Anyone who meditates does gain certain power. The Sikh Gurus however told the Sikhs to shun their use. Miracles that take place by the will of God and by his order are however accepted. </p><p></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><em>“That alone is spirituality, and that alone is miraculous power, which the Lord spontaneously bestows.” </em></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><em>(Ang 633)</em></span></p><p></p><p>There have been countless such miracles attributed to the Sikh Gurus and their proof exists even today in local legend and physical evidence. In Hasan Abdal, Pakistan there exists to this day a massive boulder with the palm print of Guru Nanak Sahib jee. This boulder was rolled down on him by Wali Kandhari and was stopped with one hand. A spring of water also created by Guru Nanak Sahib jee still flows there today. Countless similar miracles attributed to the Gurus are recorded and their evidence still exists all across South Asia.</p><p></p><p>Even in Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee, the coming of Babar (the Mughal invader) and the eventual defeat of the Mughals is prophesied by Guru Nanak Sahib jee and proven to have been absolutely correct.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><em>“Coming in seventy-eight (1521 C.E.), they will depart in ninety-seven (1540 C.E.), and then another brave man will rise up. Nanak speaks the Word of Truth; he proclaims the Truth at this for it is now the time for truth ||2||3||5||” </em></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><em>(Ang 723)</em></span></p><p></p><p>The fact is however Sikhism rejects just miracles as proof of divinity or “prophethood”. Miracles are a cheap way of winning support from people. The true miracle is changing the self-centered mind to become God-centered and invoking the love of God in people. Guru Nanak Sahib jee made murderers, cannibals, thugs, and bandits become Godly through piercing their hearts with love and the power of Naam and Baani. Even magicians or tricksters can perform so-called miracles (e.g. David Blain).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kaur-1, post: 49961, member: 3025"] [b]re: Guru Nanak: A 'False' Prophet ?[/b] [B][I]From [url]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/general-philosophy/14610-answers-to-muslim-questions.html[/url][/I][/B] The website [URL="http://www.sikhs2islam.tk/"] Welcome to Sikhs2Islam[/URL] has posted a list of questions to Sikhs about so-called “flaws” in the Sikh religion. For believing Sikhs this is of course an absurdity as Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee, the word of God, tells us: [COLOR=Blue][I]“There is only one true Dharma (faith). Gurmat (Sikhism) is complete and perfect through the ages.” (Ang 1188)[/I] [/COLOR] Through this attempt to answer the questions posed, we will show that Gurmat is indeed the perfect and eternal faith. The website has the motto “you can’t hide from the truth forever.” Indeed, the truth is that Gurmat is the only complete path and this truth is one that cannot be denied. [U][B]1. Is Guru Nanak a False Prophet?[/B][/U] In the list of questions the writer makes the assertion,[INDENT][COLOR=Black][I]“According to Sikh Scriptures (more of which later), he had “millions” of followers.”[/I][/COLOR][/INDENT]Which Sikh Scriptures claims that he had millions of followers? The absolute absurdity of this article is that the writer is completely unfamiliar with basic Sikh tenets and principles. Sikh scripture is limited to the following: Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee, sacred writings and literature written by Guru Gobind Singh jee, Works of Bhai Gurdas and the works of Bhai Nand Lal Singh. Beyond this are non-scriptural texts that are useful for historical study but not permitted to be sung as scripture in the Gurdwara. These non-scriptural sources are only accepted so far as they coincide with Gurbani. These texts include Rehitnamas, Tankhanama, Janamsakhis, and historical texts like Gurbilas, Panth Parkash, Suraj Parkash, etc. I think the issue here lies with the question of “prophethood”. Guru Nanak Sahib jee was a Satguru. This is MUCH more than a simple prophet. A prophet by default is one who has the ability to reveal prophecies. According to Muslims, Muhammed had the Koran revealed to him through the angel Gabriel. Satguru receives revelations directly from God. Satguru Nanak Sahib jee was called to God’s court and ordered to reveal the divine Naam to the world. It is written clearly in Sri Guru Granth Sahib: [COLOR=Blue][I]“Vaheguru gave me His Hukam (Order) to sing His Praises day and night. Vaheguru, my Lord and Master summoned me, His minstrel, to the True Mansion of His Presence. (Vaheguru,) the Image of True Praise and Glory, gave me the Siropaao, robe of honour. The spiritual-life giving Name, Amrit Naam, the True Name, which gives eternal spiritual life, has become my food [sustenance].” (Ang 150)[/I][/COLOR] As Satguru, Guru Nanak spoke DIRECT revelations from God and did not use any middle-party like Muhammed. Guru Nanak makes this clear when he says: [COLOR=Blue][I]"O Lalo! As the Lord’s word comes to me so I deliver it." (Ang 722)[/I][/COLOR] There are numerous references like this in Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee. Another example is: [COLOR=Blue][I]"I myself know not what to say; all I speak is what the Lord commands." (Ang 763)[/I][/COLOR] You have supplied a quote attributed to Guru Nanak Sahib jee [I]“There is no Muslim, there is no Hindu.”[/I] This is not found ANYWHERE in Sikh scripture. The closest that can be found is [COLOR=Blue][I]“Neither am I Hindu nor Muslim” (Ang 1136). [/I][/COLOR] The article further says,[INDENT][I]When a person claims Prophethood, this claim must then be verified. Prophets throughout history have brought miracles to demonstrate to their people (Moses, Abraham, David, and Others, may peace be upon them all). For example Moses spilt the Red Sea, David was able to melt metal in his hands, and Abraham was able to withstand fire. These miracles have been verified both through scriptures and through science. [/I][/INDENT]I would be interested in knowing how these so-called miracles were verified through science? Were there scientific studies carried out on the veracity of these miracles when they were carried out? Spiritual powers, otherwise known as “ridhi sidhis” are very common in the Indic tradition. Anyone who meditates does gain certain power. The Sikh Gurus however told the Sikhs to shun their use. Miracles that take place by the will of God and by his order are however accepted. [COLOR=Blue][I]“That alone is spirituality, and that alone is miraculous power, which the Lord spontaneously bestows.” (Ang 633)[/I][/COLOR] There have been countless such miracles attributed to the Sikh Gurus and their proof exists even today in local legend and physical evidence. In Hasan Abdal, Pakistan there exists to this day a massive boulder with the palm print of Guru Nanak Sahib jee. This boulder was rolled down on him by Wali Kandhari and was stopped with one hand. A spring of water also created by Guru Nanak Sahib jee still flows there today. Countless similar miracles attributed to the Gurus are recorded and their evidence still exists all across South Asia. Even in Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee, the coming of Babar (the Mughal invader) and the eventual defeat of the Mughals is prophesied by Guru Nanak Sahib jee and proven to have been absolutely correct. [COLOR=Blue][I]“Coming in seventy-eight (1521 C.E.), they will depart in ninety-seven (1540 C.E.), and then another brave man will rise up. Nanak speaks the Word of Truth; he proclaims the Truth at this for it is now the time for truth ||2||3||5||” (Ang 723)[/I][/COLOR] The fact is however Sikhism rejects just miracles as proof of divinity or “prophethood”. Miracles are a cheap way of winning support from people. The true miracle is changing the self-centered mind to become God-centered and invoking the love of God in people. Guru Nanak Sahib jee made murderers, cannibals, thugs, and bandits become Godly through piercing their hearts with love and the power of Naam and Baani. Even magicians or tricksters can perform so-called miracles (e.g. David Blain). [/QUOTE]
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