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<blockquote data-quote="Gyani Jarnail Singh" data-source="post: 111143" data-attributes="member: 189"><p>Here is the English Translation Harnek Singh New Zealand's reply of GS lambas article in latest sant Sipahi</p><p> <strong><span style="color: red">A critcal View of S. GS Lamba’s recent post on the website of Sant Sipahi – ref: Dsam Granth in the writings of Principal (late) S.Harbahjan Singh [/FONT]</span></strong><span style="color: red">[/FONT]</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'ChatrikUni'">ਗੁਰਚਰਨਜੀਤ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"> [/FONT]</span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'ChatrikUni'">ਸਿੰਘ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"> [/FONT]</span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'ChatrikUni'">ਲਾਂਬਾ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"> [/FONT]</span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'ChatrikUni'">ਦੇ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"> [/FONT]</span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'ChatrikUni'">ਲੇਖ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"> “[/FONT]</span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'ChatrikUni'">ਸ੍ਰੀ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"> [/FONT]</span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'ChatrikUni'">ਦਸਮ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"> [/FONT]</span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'ChatrikUni'">ਗ੍ਰੰਥ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"> [/FONT]</span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'ChatrikUni'">ਸਾਹਿਬ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy">-[/FONT]</span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'ChatrikUni'">ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸੀਪਲ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"> [/FONT]</span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'ChatrikUni'">ਹਰਭਜਨ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"> [/FONT]</span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'ChatrikUni'">ਸਿੰਘ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"> [/FONT]</span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'ChatrikUni'">ਜੀ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"> [/FONT]</span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'ChatrikUni'">ਦੀ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"> [/FONT]</span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'ChatrikUni'">ਜਬਾਨੀ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy">” [/FONT]</span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'ChatrikUni'">ਦੀ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"> [/FONT]</span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'ChatrikUni'">ਪੜਚੋਲ</span></span></strong><span style="color: navy">[/FONT]</span></p><p> Recently on the web site of the Monthly Sant Sipahi I came across an article by its Editor GS Lamba. The article raised two queries in my mind..firstly because of the mention of the Late Principal Harbahjan Singh Ji and second reference to Sikh Rehat maryada. Fortunately I have both at home – the SRM Copy ( which each sikh home should have anyway) and the books of Principal Harbahajn Singh ji which are in my library. Thus my work became much easier.[/FONT]</p><p> Firts the article about Principal Harbahajan Singh Ji. GS Lamba gives a very good and glowing introduction ref his credentials, educational background etc etc and then tries to prove that this great man of letters beleived that the entire dsm garnth is Guru Gobind Singh written. As i said earlier..i have the book _ “ Selected essays on Dsm Garnth” By Principal harbahjan Singh. I have read it...and i believe anyone with even a simple educational background can understand what are the conclusions of Principal harbahjan Singh ji regarding the DSM Granth. I have no idea why these people, being so highly educated and all....try and mislead the simple sikh sangats..sometimes using the names of established sikh panth personalities and at other times using the argument of the Nitnem Banis, Khandey batte dee pahul ceremony to crate doubts.[/FONT]</p><p> Prinsipal Harbahjan Singh ji on Page 9 of his book has clearly written that in DSM Granth there are ONLY about 70 pages or so which he believes to be as per the Gurmatt philosophy of Guru Ji..ALL the REST are mythological stories and translations of such. Far from being in consonance with GURBANI..they dont even agree with EACH OTHER !! The DIABOLICAL POETS..especially SAKAT Kavi SHYAAM has very cleverly tried to portray his own compositions as Guru gobind Singh kirt..[/FONT] [/FONT]Sri Mukh Bani and thus preach his SAKAT ISHT through misrepresentation.[/FONT]</p><p> Going further the Late Principal Sahib writes..” the one and only way to end this whole controversy is to use the Litmus Test of GURBANI (of SGGS) and separate the Milk form the water ( wheat from the chaff) Gurbani dee kaswattee - !! and begs the solution be accepted so the Khalsa panth and its Chardeekalla can be guaranteed..otherwise the BIPRAN REETS, Brahmnawaad rituals etc will not leave anything un-shredded...we will be torn to tatters !! The readers can make up their own minds about what Principal harbahjan Singh ji thought about dsm granth.[/FONT]</p><p> On Pages 165 to 167 Pricipal Harbahajn Singh ji wrotes about the Chiratrpakoyans”...The Charotarpakhoyans are NOT DASMESH BANI..they are translations or ancient Hindu puaranic mythlogivcal stories..The SGPC via its secretary S. Gurbaksh Singh in a letter dated 3rd August, 1973 has affirmed thsi position of the SGPC as well.[/FONT]</p><p> [/FONT]<span style="font-family: 'ChatrikUni'">ਆਪਣੀ</span> [/FONT]<span style="font-family: 'ChatrikUni'">ਕਿਤਾਬ</span> [/FONT]<span style="font-family: 'ChatrikUni'">ਦੀ</span> [/FONT]<span style="font-family: 'ChatrikUni'">ਸਮਾਪਤੀ</span> [/FONT]<span style="font-family: 'ChatrikUni'">ਕਰਦਿਆਂ</span> [/FONT]<span style="font-family: 'ChatrikUni'">ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸੀਪਲ</span> [/FONT]<span style="font-family: 'ChatrikUni'">ਸਾਹਿਬ</span> [/FONT]<span style="font-family: 'ChatrikUni'">ਨੇ</span> [/FONT]<span style="font-family: 'ChatrikUni'">ਇਕ</span> [/FONT]<span style="font-family: 'ChatrikUni'">ਨੋਟ</span> [/FONT]<span style="font-family: 'ChatrikUni'">ਲਿਖਿਆ</span> [/FONT]<span style="font-family: 'ChatrikUni'">ਹੈ।</span> [/FONT]<span style="font-family: 'ChatrikUni'">ਪੰਨਾ</span> 167- “[/FONT]<span style="font-family: 'ChatrikUni'">ਨੋਟ</span>-[/FONT]</p><p> <span style="color: red">Finally Principal Harbahajn Singh ji writes on page 167” To all proponesnts of DSM granth... I say this...IF all of You can READ those Charitars etc out LOUDLY in the presence of your wives, daughters, sisters and families, and do KATHA of those...I will give up my stance and agree with them. BUT so far NONE has agreed to this. To them I ask..IF you cannot in all DECENCY do paath/vichaar of these charitars in PUBLIC and in your family..how cna you deem it fit to put the holy names of Guru nanak –Guru Gobind Singh Ji to such compositions...and commit the unpardonable crime of putting all of Dsm garnth into the mouth of Guru Ji. What a return we give for all the sacrifices and unbeleivable Blessings the Gurus showered on US.May Waheguru bless us with SENSE.[/FONT]</span></p><p> <span style="color: black">This is how the Late Principal harbahajn Singh ji closes his book...am i missing something ??[/FONT]</span></p><p> Now lets come to the Sikh Rehat maryada. GSLamba ji refers to the SRM ref the Nitnem banis and Khandey batte dee pahul ceremony...and defines a Sikh.[/FONT]</p><p> First the REALITIES on the GROUND. No DERA...or GURDWARA is follwoing the Sikh rehat maryada 100%. Whenever a Amrit Sanchaar” takes place..the JATHA Maryada takes PRECEDENCE. Whether its an akhand paath, naming ceremony, funeral..EACH OCASSION is an occasion to GO AGAINST THE SRM...BUT when it coems to the ...”occasion to FORCE FEED US the entire DSM garnth ..the SRM is cited !! again and again and again !! the SRM..the SRM..mantra is non-stop. But where is the SRM....??? Is the SRM uniformly ENFORCED in ALL SGPC gurdawras (at the very least)..at the TAKHATS..at all DERAS and Jathebandi Gurdwaras ?? Isnt this a “highly selective emphasis on SRM for ones own limited ends ??[/FONT]</p><p> [/FONT]</p><p> ANYWAY..the SRM states very very clearly on PAGE 13...NO OTHER BOOK can be parkashed at par with the SGGS. Period. How can these people NOT SEE that the DSM Granth is parkash at PAR in the deras and jathedbandi gurdwars they visit regularly ?? IF they are so comitted to the SRM..why NOT speak out agianst these Gross VIOLATIONS ??[/FONT]</p><p> The SRM page 15 also states clearly... In the sangat..the KIRTAN can ONLY be of SGGS Gurbani, and in viakhiya roop (exposition) of the BHAI GURDASS and BHAI NAND LAL compostions. ISNT this clearly saying that DSM granth cannot be used to do KIRTAN in SANGAT.[/FONT]</p><p> Going furtehr teh GS lamba tries to pull the “definition of a SIKH” in the direction of DSM Garnth by saying that a SIKH is one who beleives in the Gurbani of DAS GURUS..the ten Nanaks...and thus those who DONT beleive in DSM Granth are NOT SIKHS. I have no idea why these people continue to say these misguided conclusions...either they have an agenda..or they have closed their understanding portal. This part of the SRM cannot be used to “prove” that dsm granth is Guru Gobind Singh Kirt..composed by Guru Ji...no matter how much pulling and in whatever direction it is pulled...it always returns to teh ORIGINAL intention..which is that the SGGSis the SPIRITUAL SUCCESSOR to the TEN NANAKS...and a SIKH is one who beleives in THIS FACT. ( even though THREE Nanaks – Guru hargobind Ji, Guru har rai Ji, Guru Harkishn Ji ) clearly NEVER wrote a single TUK of Gurbani..their JYOT is still in SGGS..and a SIKH has to beleive that...ALL “TEN” NANAK JYOT is in SGGS. Period.) Thus the Original “intention”of this clause is that IF....despite not a single tuk by Guru hargobind ji, Guru har rai ji, and Guru Kishan Ji..the SGGS is still their JYOT..why should the Guru gobind Singh jyot be “dependant” on dsm garnth ?? Its clear this clause is being grossly misused and MISREPRESENTED to prove ones own agenda.[/FONT]</p><p> Looking at such happenings..it has to be beleived that there is indeed a hidden agenda behind this...because IF the Sikh “intellectuals and inteligensia” take this stand..then what can the Ordinary hardworking Sikh do to escape this trap? He can only depend on Waheguru to protect him..from these..my benti to all Sikhs..let us all wake up and look towards only our one and only GURU..the SGGS..study its Bani, understand it and APPLY it in our Daily Lives to CHANGE for teh Better..towards GURMUKHTA.[/FONT]</p><p> Harnek Singh new Zealand.[/FONT]</p><p> English translation by: Gyani jarnail Singh...all errors and omissions excepted.[/FONT]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gyani Jarnail Singh, post: 111143, member: 189"] Here is the English Translation Harnek Singh New Zealand's reply of GS lambas article in latest sant Sipahi [B][COLOR=red]A critcal View of S. GS Lamba’s recent post on the website of Sant Sipahi – ref: Dsam Granth in the writings of Principal (late) S.Harbahjan Singh [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=red][/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=navy][FONT=ChatrikUni]ਗੁਰਚਰਨਜੀਤ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=ChatrikUni]ਸਿੰਘ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=ChatrikUni]ਲਾਂਬਾ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=ChatrikUni]ਦੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=ChatrikUni]ਲੇਖ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy] “[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=ChatrikUni]ਸ੍ਰੀ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=ChatrikUni]ਦਸਮ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=ChatrikUni]ਗ੍ਰੰਥ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=ChatrikUni]ਸਾਹਿਬ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy]-[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=ChatrikUni]ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸੀਪਲ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=ChatrikUni]ਹਰਭਜਨ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=ChatrikUni]ਸਿੰਘ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=ChatrikUni]ਜੀ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=ChatrikUni]ਦੀ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=ChatrikUni]ਜਬਾਨੀ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy]” [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=ChatrikUni]ਦੀ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=ChatrikUni]ਪੜਚੋਲ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=navy][/FONT][/COLOR] Recently on the web site of the Monthly Sant Sipahi I came across an article by its Editor GS Lamba. The article raised two queries in my mind..firstly because of the mention of the Late Principal Harbahjan Singh Ji and second reference to Sikh Rehat maryada. Fortunately I have both at home – the SRM Copy ( which each sikh home should have anyway) and the books of Principal Harbahajn Singh ji which are in my library. Thus my work became much easier.[/FONT] Firts the article about Principal Harbahajan Singh Ji. GS Lamba gives a very good and glowing introduction ref his credentials, educational background etc etc and then tries to prove that this great man of letters beleived that the entire dsm garnth is Guru Gobind Singh written. As i said earlier..i have the book _ “ Selected essays on Dsm Garnth” By Principal harbahjan Singh. I have read it...and i believe anyone with even a simple educational background can understand what are the conclusions of Principal harbahjan Singh ji regarding the DSM Granth. I have no idea why these people, being so highly educated and all....try and mislead the simple sikh sangats..sometimes using the names of established sikh panth personalities and at other times using the argument of the Nitnem Banis, Khandey batte dee pahul ceremony to crate doubts.[/FONT] Prinsipal Harbahjan Singh ji on Page 9 of his book has clearly written that in DSM Granth there are ONLY about 70 pages or so which he believes to be as per the Gurmatt philosophy of Guru Ji..ALL the REST are mythological stories and translations of such. Far from being in consonance with GURBANI..they dont even agree with EACH OTHER !! The DIABOLICAL POETS..especially SAKAT Kavi SHYAAM has very cleverly tried to portray his own compositions as Guru gobind Singh kirt..[/FONT] [/FONT]Sri Mukh Bani and thus preach his SAKAT ISHT through misrepresentation.[/FONT] Going further the Late Principal Sahib writes..” the one and only way to end this whole controversy is to use the Litmus Test of GURBANI (of SGGS) and separate the Milk form the water ( wheat from the chaff) Gurbani dee kaswattee - !! and begs the solution be accepted so the Khalsa panth and its Chardeekalla can be guaranteed..otherwise the BIPRAN REETS, Brahmnawaad rituals etc will not leave anything un-shredded...we will be torn to tatters !! The readers can make up their own minds about what Principal harbahjan Singh ji thought about dsm granth.[/FONT] On Pages 165 to 167 Pricipal Harbahajn Singh ji wrotes about the Chiratrpakoyans”...The Charotarpakhoyans are NOT DASMESH BANI..they are translations or ancient Hindu puaranic mythlogivcal stories..The SGPC via its secretary S. Gurbaksh Singh in a letter dated 3rd August, 1973 has affirmed thsi position of the SGPC as well.[/FONT] [/FONT][FONT=ChatrikUni]ਆਪਣੀ[/FONT] [/FONT][FONT=ChatrikUni]ਕਿਤਾਬ[/FONT] [/FONT][FONT=ChatrikUni]ਦੀ[/FONT] [/FONT][FONT=ChatrikUni]ਸਮਾਪਤੀ[/FONT] [/FONT][FONT=ChatrikUni]ਕਰਦਿਆਂ[/FONT] [/FONT][FONT=ChatrikUni]ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸੀਪਲ[/FONT] [/FONT][FONT=ChatrikUni]ਸਾਹਿਬ[/FONT] [/FONT][FONT=ChatrikUni]ਨੇ[/FONT] [/FONT][FONT=ChatrikUni]ਇਕ[/FONT] [/FONT][FONT=ChatrikUni]ਨੋਟ[/FONT] [/FONT][FONT=ChatrikUni]ਲਿਖਿਆ[/FONT] [/FONT][FONT=ChatrikUni]ਹੈ।[/FONT] [/FONT][FONT=ChatrikUni]ਪੰਨਾ[/FONT] 167- “[/FONT][FONT=ChatrikUni]ਨੋਟ[/FONT]-[COLOR=red][/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=red]Finally Principal Harbahajn Singh ji writes on page 167” To all proponesnts of DSM granth... I say this...IF all of You can READ those Charitars etc out LOUDLY in the presence of your wives, daughters, sisters and families, and do KATHA of those...I will give up my stance and agree with them. BUT so far NONE has agreed to this. To them I ask..IF you cannot in all DECENCY do paath/vichaar of these charitars in PUBLIC and in your family..how cna you deem it fit to put the holy names of Guru nanak –Guru Gobind Singh Ji to such compositions...and commit the unpardonable crime of putting all of Dsm garnth into the mouth of Guru Ji. What a return we give for all the sacrifices and unbeleivable Blessings the Gurus showered on US.May Waheguru bless us with SENSE.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black]This is how the Late Principal harbahajn Singh ji closes his book...am i missing something ??[/FONT][/COLOR] Now lets come to the Sikh Rehat maryada. GSLamba ji refers to the SRM ref the Nitnem banis and Khandey batte dee pahul ceremony...and defines a Sikh.[/FONT] First the REALITIES on the GROUND. No DERA...or GURDWARA is follwoing the Sikh rehat maryada 100%. Whenever a Amrit Sanchaar” takes place..the JATHA Maryada takes PRECEDENCE. Whether its an akhand paath, naming ceremony, funeral..EACH OCASSION is an occasion to GO AGAINST THE SRM...BUT when it coems to the ...”occasion to FORCE FEED US the entire DSM garnth ..the SRM is cited !! again and again and again !! the SRM..the SRM..mantra is non-stop. But where is the SRM....??? Is the SRM uniformly ENFORCED in ALL SGPC gurdawras (at the very least)..at the TAKHATS..at all DERAS and Jathebandi Gurdwaras ?? Isnt this a “highly selective emphasis on SRM for ones own limited ends ??[/FONT] [/FONT] ANYWAY..the SRM states very very clearly on PAGE 13...NO OTHER BOOK can be parkashed at par with the SGGS. Period. How can these people NOT SEE that the DSM Granth is parkash at PAR in the deras and jathedbandi gurdwars they visit regularly ?? IF they are so comitted to the SRM..why NOT speak out agianst these Gross VIOLATIONS ??[/FONT] The SRM page 15 also states clearly... In the sangat..the KIRTAN can ONLY be of SGGS Gurbani, and in viakhiya roop (exposition) of the BHAI GURDASS and BHAI NAND LAL compostions. ISNT this clearly saying that DSM granth cannot be used to do KIRTAN in SANGAT.[/FONT] Going furtehr teh GS lamba tries to pull the “definition of a SIKH” in the direction of DSM Garnth by saying that a SIKH is one who beleives in the Gurbani of DAS GURUS..the ten Nanaks...and thus those who DONT beleive in DSM Granth are NOT SIKHS. I have no idea why these people continue to say these misguided conclusions...either they have an agenda..or they have closed their understanding portal. This part of the SRM cannot be used to “prove” that dsm granth is Guru Gobind Singh Kirt..composed by Guru Ji...no matter how much pulling and in whatever direction it is pulled...it always returns to teh ORIGINAL intention..which is that the SGGSis the SPIRITUAL SUCCESSOR to the TEN NANAKS...and a SIKH is one who beleives in THIS FACT. ( even though THREE Nanaks – Guru hargobind Ji, Guru har rai Ji, Guru Harkishn Ji ) clearly NEVER wrote a single TUK of Gurbani..their JYOT is still in SGGS..and a SIKH has to beleive that...ALL “TEN” NANAK JYOT is in SGGS. Period.) Thus the Original “intention”of this clause is that IF....despite not a single tuk by Guru hargobind ji, Guru har rai ji, and Guru Kishan Ji..the SGGS is still their JYOT..why should the Guru gobind Singh jyot be “dependant” on dsm garnth ?? Its clear this clause is being grossly misused and MISREPRESENTED to prove ones own agenda.[/FONT] Looking at such happenings..it has to be beleived that there is indeed a hidden agenda behind this...because IF the Sikh “intellectuals and inteligensia” take this stand..then what can the Ordinary hardworking Sikh do to escape this trap? He can only depend on Waheguru to protect him..from these..my benti to all Sikhs..let us all wake up and look towards only our one and only GURU..the SGGS..study its Bani, understand it and APPLY it in our Daily Lives to CHANGE for teh Better..towards GURMUKHTA.[/FONT] Harnek Singh new Zealand.[/FONT] English translation by: Gyani jarnail Singh...all errors and omissions excepted.[/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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