Gurbax Singh Ji Kala Afghana - A Debate

[Inder singh]

Please give me a reference where it is stated that science believes in existence of soul.

 

[Harjas Kaur Khalsa]

randip singh
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You insult AKJ, Panthic Weekly, the Tapoban Singhs and when we ask you not to, because it is insulting to all of us and provoking negativity to do so. Neither does it support or defend any points you make about Kala Afghana or Ghugga, You make baseless accusations and you say we are insulting you and delete our posts when we ask that you refrain from bashing Jathas. We ask why you insult our responses by deleting posts and you delete and say it is personal attack to ask. Again the same applies. All you do is delete any responses on this thread asking or pointing out that you are unjustly deleting. Since you are in fact, deleting, how is this insulting>?

 

[Harjas Kaur Khalsa]

Be respectful TO other mods and members

 

[carolineislands]

Science and spirit...

"Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe - a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble. In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort, which is indeed quite different from the religiosity of someone more naive."
Albert Einstein

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642), astronomer, mathematician, physicist, he constructed the first astronomical telescope


"Nature is an unlimited broadcasting station, through which God speaks to us every hour, if we only will tune in."
George Washington Carver (1864-1903) U.S. chemist, educator

"The divine spark leaps from the finger of God to the finger of Adam, whether it takes ultimate shape in a law of physics or a law of the land, a poem or a policy, a sonata or a mechanical computer."
Alfred Whitney Griswold (1906-1963) U.S. educator, historian

"God not only plays dice, He also sometimes throws the dice where they cannot be seen."
Stephen Hawking (1942- ) British physicist

"If we find the answer [the unified theory], it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason - for we would know the mind of God."
Stephen Hawking (1942- ) British physicist

"Every formula which expresses a law of nature is a hymn of praise to God."
Maria Mitchell (1818-1889) U.S. astronomer, educator

"Every scientific truth goes through three states: first, people say it conflicts with the Bible; next, they say it has been discovered before lastly, then they say they always believed it."
Louis Agassiz (1807-1873) Swiss-born U.S. naturalist, geologist, teacher

 

[BhagatSingh]

"Every scientific truth goes through three states: first, people say it conflicts with the Bible; next, they say it has been discovered before lastly, then they say they always believed it."
Louis Agassiz (1807-1873) Swiss-born U.S. naturalist, geologist, teacher

That is so true!! :rofl!!:It made my day.

 

[Inder singh]

carolineislands

These are the personal opinions of some persons assoicated with science.But they did not establish their opinion in a lab. Did they.That is where practicality of those religious persons who have experienced this come into picture.

The same persons are being name called here.

 

[BhagatSingh]

carolineislands

These are the personal opinions of some persons assoicated with science.But they did not establish their opinion in a lab. Did they.That is where practicality of those religious persons who have experienced this come into picture.

The same persons are being name called here.

Define spirit/soul

 

[carolineislands]

Inder Singhji,

You asked for a reference stating that science "believes" in the soul. If you're going to be demanding about the details of the responses to your question you're going to have to provide a better definition of the criteria you're looking for. What do you mean by "science?" What criteria does an entity, group, or person have to meet to qualify as "science" to you? I thought Einstein might be a given but obviously not. And then what do you mean by "believe?" That particular concept is not very relavant in science since scienctific experimentation only deals with observable data. And then, tell us what you mean by "soul."

If you're going to be picky about our responses then you'll have to provide the kind of question that can be approached meticulously, not something as vague as you have given us.

Thanks!

 

[Randip Singh]

Science and spirit...

"Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe - a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble. In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort, which is indeed quite different from the religiosity of someone more naive."
Albert Einstein

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642), astronomer, mathematician, physicist, he constructed the first astronomical telescope


"Nature is an unlimited broadcasting station, through which God speaks to us every hour, if we only will tune in."
George Washington Carver (1864-1903) U.S. chemist, educator

"The divine spark leaps from the finger of God to the finger of Adam, whether it takes ultimate shape in a law of physics or a law of the land, a poem or a policy, a sonata or a mechanical computer."
Alfred Whitney Griswold (1906-1963) U.S. educator, historian

"God not only plays dice, He also sometimes throws the dice where they cannot be seen."
Stephen Hawking (1942- ) British physicist

"If we find the answer [the unified theory], it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason - for we would know the mind of God."
Stephen Hawking (1942- ) British physicist

"Every formula which expresses a law of nature is a hymn of praise to God."
Maria Mitchell (1818-1889) U.S. astronomer, educator

"Every scientific truth goes through three states: first, people say it conflicts with the Bible; next, they say it has been discovered before lastly, then they say they always believed it."
Louis Agassiz (1807-1873) Swiss-born U.S. naturalist, geologist, teacher

Excellent post. Well worth reading.

 

[Randip Singh]

You insult AKJ, Panthic Weekly, the Tapoban Singhs and when we ask you not to, because it is insulting to all of us and provoking negativity to do so. Neither does it support or defend any points you make about Kala Afghana or Ghugga, You make baseless accusations and you say we are insulting you and delete our posts when we ask that you refrain from bashing Jathas. We ask why you insult our responses by deleting posts and you delete and say it is personal attack to ask. Again the same applies. All you do is delete any responses on this thread asking or pointing out that you are unjustly deleting. Since you are in fact, deleting, how is this insulting>?

No accusations have been made.

Panthic Weekly has been compared and contrasted with another publication in this thread, and the shoddy "journalism" it carries out criticised.

Topoban is not a mainstream Sikh site. It represents the teachings and followings of AKJ which are the followings and teachings of Bhai Randhir Singh. Their views conflict with mainstream Sikhism as do Bhai Randhir Singh's in many areas.

No insult has been made of AKJ or Panthic weekly as you have claimed but they have been criticised, it is up to you to rebutt the criticism but not personally attack the person who made the criticism. You have been asked on many occaisions to debate the issue and not the person but your persoanl attacks continue.

No one is defending Kala Afghana or Ghaggha but we are debating what they have said or to have said.

Also we is not the same as I. It is only you who feel this way. Everyone else on this forum seems fairly happy with the discussion.

Thanks

 

[Randip Singh]

Please give me a reference where it is stated that science believes in existence of soul.

Inder Singh. You really must try and read the entire thread and stop m,aking assumptions.

I have stated above, their is an idea in Pscychology about the human conscience, some construe that to be the soul.

I cannot be any clearer than that!