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Gurbani Vyakaran (Viyakaran, Vayakaran, Viakaran) - Punjabi Grammar
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<blockquote data-quote="Luckysingh" data-source="post: 176180" data-attributes="member: 16886"><p>Serjinder Singh ji has fairly proven the declaration that he made earlier with showing 73 words out of 78 being in farsi for the mentioned shabad.</p><p>Now some arab or iranian should be able to understand and acknowledge that shabad as it is in farsi as stated. If this cannot be done by the said middle east person, then we have an argument.</p><p> </p><p>Serjinderji has also proven that many punjabi words have been derived from these other languages. There is no argument there.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>However, I can't see what the problem really is with some members that can't accept this!!</p><p> </p><p>Why have this fear of punjabi fading away and finding it's death ?</p><p>I'm not sure and anyway am I helping by being here in the west some tens of thousands of miles away ?</p><p> </p><p>On that note, I only understand it and am just about lingual because I made an effort in my own time. I'm 3rd generation here anyway and it's pretty obvious to me that in another 2-3 generations they are not going to be speaking, reading or writing punjabi over this side of the world. I know most of you don't like to hear or think this, but it will be fact at the rate we are going.</p><p>That's another issue anyway and we probably shouldn't divert in that angle on this thread.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Seeing all the fuss and confusion that can arise with grammar and understanding, I can't help realising the <em>simplicity</em> given to us.</p><p> </p><p>What simplicity you may be thinking ?</p><p> </p><p>OK, we are all aware and can agree that a majority of words are repeated throughout gurbani. Infact I have learnt so many words from gurmukhi due to repetition just with the help of srigranth.org for example.</p><p> </p><p>Bearing this in mind we are all aware of the rehat and the 5 nitnem banis prescribed for a sikh. </p><p>Although I have not personally proved it to myself as I'm still working on the path towards full rehat and amrit, I can say that the precribed nitnem can help towards the answer.</p><p>By this I mean, that if one learns the nitnem vocabulary with the added help of reciting EVERY day, then they should find that most of the vocab will re-appear in most of the other shabads throughout the Guru Granth Sahib ji. </p><p>Therefore, the understanding for the majority should be there if one has mastered the nitnem with practice.</p><p>I can see that it is prescribed for many reasons and not just to standardise the definition of a 'sikh'.</p><p> </p><p>I'm not sure what percentage of words from nitnem are mentioned in the rest of gurbani, but i'm sure it is pretty high. </p><p> </p><p>In my experience so far, I have been trying to focus on vocab in japji sahib and have been surprised and pleased to see it re-occuring in other shabads throughout.</p><p>This just gives me greater confidence that if I were to eventually master all of nitnem then I needn't be worrying about the 22 or so different languages in gurbani.</p><p>Therefore, if we adhere to the rehat, we will encounter many benefits to help us progress.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Waheguru</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Luckysingh, post: 176180, member: 16886"] Serjinder Singh ji has fairly proven the declaration that he made earlier with showing 73 words out of 78 being in farsi for the mentioned shabad. Now some arab or iranian should be able to understand and acknowledge that shabad as it is in farsi as stated. If this cannot be done by the said middle east person, then we have an argument. Serjinderji has also proven that many punjabi words have been derived from these other languages. There is no argument there. However, I can't see what the problem really is with some members that can't accept this!! Why have this fear of punjabi fading away and finding it's death ? I'm not sure and anyway am I helping by being here in the west some tens of thousands of miles away ? On that note, I only understand it and am just about lingual because I made an effort in my own time. I'm 3rd generation here anyway and it's pretty obvious to me that in another 2-3 generations they are not going to be speaking, reading or writing punjabi over this side of the world. I know most of you don't like to hear or think this, but it will be fact at the rate we are going. That's another issue anyway and we probably shouldn't divert in that angle on this thread. Seeing all the fuss and confusion that can arise with grammar and understanding, I can't help realising the [I]simplicity[/I] given to us. What simplicity you may be thinking ? OK, we are all aware and can agree that a majority of words are repeated throughout gurbani. Infact I have learnt so many words from gurmukhi due to repetition just with the help of srigranth.org for example. Bearing this in mind we are all aware of the rehat and the 5 nitnem banis prescribed for a sikh. Although I have not personally proved it to myself as I'm still working on the path towards full rehat and amrit, I can say that the precribed nitnem can help towards the answer. By this I mean, that if one learns the nitnem vocabulary with the added help of reciting EVERY day, then they should find that most of the vocab will re-appear in most of the other shabads throughout the Guru Granth Sahib ji. Therefore, the understanding for the majority should be there if one has mastered the nitnem with practice. I can see that it is prescribed for many reasons and not just to standardise the definition of a 'sikh'. I'm not sure what percentage of words from nitnem are mentioned in the rest of gurbani, but i'm sure it is pretty high. In my experience so far, I have been trying to focus on vocab in japji sahib and have been surprised and pleased to see it re-occuring in other shabads throughout. This just gives me greater confidence that if I were to eventually master all of nitnem then I needn't be worrying about the 22 or so different languages in gurbani. Therefore, if we adhere to the rehat, we will encounter many benefits to help us progress. Waheguru [/QUOTE]
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