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False Prophets!

Aug 27, 2005
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Namaste,

It does not matter whether I call God Shiva, Har, Allah, Yahwah, Bill, Jaydeep or Krishna there is only the creator "That One". The word we choose to use identifies the path one is on and I believe all paths can lead to moksha.

Peace
Satyaban
 

japjisahib04

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Yes you are very right. Even gurbani tells us Ram japo ji eisai eisai dhru prahlad japiyo ji jaise or sada simar narayan. but the question is though we may address Him with any name when we mediatate on Him how to simar and what to simar. This is word Waheguru or Ik-ongkar.
Regards Sahni Mohinder
 

singhkhalsa

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Even if you do repetition of word say "Morakh" Moorakh...........It is simran of this word but we are supposed to do simran of "Waheguru" word. when we wonder at god's infinite gift and his wondrous expression, we say waheguru.

WAHEGURU WAHEGURU WAHEGURU

Agam
 

21khalsa13

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Namaste,

It does not matter whether I call God Shiva, Har, Allah, Yahwah, Bill, Jaydeep or Krishna there is only the creator "That One". The word we choose to use identifies the path one is on and I believe all paths can lead to moksha.

Peace
Satyaban
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Om shanti shanti Om

Satyaban Yes you are very right. Even gurbani tells us Ram japo ji eisai eisai dhru prahlad japiyo ji jaise or sada simar narayan. but the question is though we may address Him with any name when we mediatate on Him how to simar and what to simar. This is word Waheguru or Ik-ongkar.
Regards Sahni Mohinder

nice, how relevant do you guys think of this??? rss.

The fabric of life


Mechanics of language: how language creates our reality and how sound affects physiology.
Language is a force of energy and information.
The spirit is a most creative force (awareness) it is the choice maker and thought generator. A Fountain of ideas, generating an infinite number of space time events, repeated space time events create mental patterns.
These thought patterns create what we know as the mind. There exist verbal cues to these patterns which constantly condition and restrict our choices. These verbal cues become our beliefs, attitudes and behavioural responses. Our perception and understand is hence built by language.
Language constitutes pre – verbal language (see eurhythmy gurbani and primal sounds).
Pre verbal language is consists of sound, energy, information and vibration as a infinte potentiality.

Genesis – let there be light.
Lagos was actual word used. Lagos = sound/word.

Light is in form of photons and waves. A light wave is a vibration. It is this vibration that dissipates energy, information and a primordial sound.

These primodial sounds carry information and energy. And this in information and energy can in turn bring about changes in our physiology- language anthropology.
All language has same roots- out of potentiality => out of pure potentiality, eternity transformed time (space time events), coming into being.

Genesis è first there was the word which came into flesh.
In the Vedas concept of virthi è a quantum flucation. A quantum flucation in the source of the unified field (zero point field).
Hence it is seen that matter information and energy are born of language.

Time is technically being quantified eternity. Primal man conceived of time as they saw it in there environment.
A primal biological metre è the menstrual cycle.
Met ra greek for uterus
Matter
Mat er
mat ri mother.
The first measurement of existence becomes material from the dimensionless.
In eurhythmy is is noted MM has primal searching quality. Ie. when a child is born there is a searching. MM is the sound expressing this search. As it finds it’s unconditional love, mm becomes mother, ma, mum, mat ri, ie all language expression of the mother begins with this MMMMM.

All names given to man’s concepts and perceptions have roots in same origin of pure potentiality. This source of infinite energy and information.
AAH è RAè Allahè bramha è yahvehè akash è kash
DEVIè devtaè divine
YENè dehna è chen è shine.

Hence sounds/language is the maker of reality. Pre verbal language exists in all of nature

èSOUND
èINFORMATION
èMEMORY
èVIBRATION
èENERGY

Only in latter stages of evolution did sound / language become more sophisticated and hence verbal ècivilisation è technology èetc..
Linguistically structured thought is an basic unit as this is how nature ‘thinks’ through vibrations and sounds. Ie whales communicate with each other through 100s of miles and computer analysis has shown that this communication involves an exchange of 10MB per *** in half an hour. This is equivalent approx all information in the oddessy. WOW!!

Pytharos è stone is frozen music
Zen è void is matter and matter is void. The void creates through sounds and vibration, via quantum flucations in the zero point field.
Verbal language and hence words express thoughts, emotions, intention, expression, awareness. It is the fundamental stuff of life. The very fabric of reality.
An impulse express information & energy at a particular space and time.

Pure abstract potentiality è a real thing.

Story of roman centurion è speak the word and my soul will be healed.

At a quantum level, flows of awareness expressed through neuropeptides which then translates into our biochemistry (field of biochemical information). As information flows words become triggers of mental patterns but also of transformation.

Words create our everyday reality è cybernetics and NLP
They become an expression of experience, health and fulfilment of desires
Which then can translate into beliefs, assumptions, expectations and self image, these are all product of internal dialogue.
Words have an incalcuble power at a celluar, personal, societal and global level. Can be cause of death, destruction and war, but also harmony, love, laughter and happiness. Repeated patterns become like programs that run in our sub conciousness. Information is passed from cell to cell. Where a thought goes a molecule goes with it. Hence our thoughts are affecting our very biochemistry.

From field of infinte potentaily have potential to use words and thoughts to create a new reality. Be aware of internal dialogue, thoughts and hence what reality is being created.
And what reality can be created in this consciousness, the playground of the universe.




Ek onkar satnaam
In sikhi guru nanak asks to focuses mind at the source of all this potentilaty.
Ek onkar satnaam the sound of on (root of aum, amen, hum etc) is true primal vibration.
He says the sound/vibration/ or nad (nad root sound of nada meaning note, also name è naam) should be mediated and contemplated on constantly. Day and night.
All beliefs, assumptions, expectations and hence experience should stem from this place of pure potentilality ensuring all thoughts and actions constanly fresh, growing and adjusting to whats is being learnt, else mind can get into traps of repeated thought patterns hence reducing choice in life from these infinite opportunity that exists.
Forming a stagnant pool of thoughts and life experience rather than a free flowing river of life.
The maharishi calls OM/AUM the magic symbol.
He says Om is the mantra of the sanyasi. Repeat, mediate on OM è sanyas diksha. When time has come for complete renouncation of attachment to the world.
Renouncation and detachment increase with repeatation of OM. Puts end to desires. Desires are destroyed by repetition. Deep desires rooted in mind will also be destroyed and one can become wholly desireless.
(Probarly as AUM’s high vibration rate doesn’t allow other thoughts to remain in the mind in their deep rooted state, stimulating a mental clearout)
If unfortunately the householder begins this mantra meditation he experience destructive effects in his material life. The effects starts with monetary loss and then goes on to destroy all objects of affection one by one. Such a man may find, loss of money separation from close ones, utter frustration and peacelessness.

In this aspect Guru Nanak Jee has given sikhi as a methodology for the householder/sanyasi,. Remain in the world but not of it. Be attached, but at same time be detached from it all. A very zen way of life.
This ideology reached an apex with Guru Gobind Singh Jee developing this further into concept of khalsa with Sikhs as Sant-Saphhiyie. Sikhs to be a positive force for good. Saint soldiers create khalsa è A Land of pure souls.

Maharishi commented that when time of creation came. It is held by almost all religions that the great lord wishes creation to be, or desires creation to be.

Vedas è I am one, maybe I became many.
Genesisè In the being was the word and the word was with god.

When god desires or in other words when it is time for creation to begin then in that silent imbounded ocean of life a stir is created à a quantum flucatution in the zero point field.
In trying to describe this ‘stir’ an analogy was made.
If you take a body of water lying in a big flat dish and the water is till. Then you give a push from the side with a little jerk. The whole body of water moves and vibrates.
H-MMMN
That’s means the first subltest vibration starts and that is the start of creation. à more of a subtle vibration/echo than ‘a big bang’. From that eternal silence a hum starts and that hum is OM / AUM.



Om is thus the word of god it is also without meaning. It is a phonetically note. An audible sound. It is remarkably similar to other words of power amen (christanity), amin (islam).
The first silent wave, starting from the silent ocean of unmanifest life, that all the greats have endoured to get in tune with.

Yogananda in the ‘autobiography of yogi’ points to a similar direction.

The infinte potencies of sound derivie from the creative word aum. The cosmic vibratory power behind all atomic energies.

Any word spoken with with clear regulation and deep concentration has a materialising value. Loud and silent repetition of inspiring words has been found effective in couism and similar systems of psycotheraphy the secret lies in stepping up the minds’ vibratory rate.
What maharishi was warning of using om simran as fear of reality hitting face on to unprepared people as the mind’s vibratory rate is increased to primal rate.

Yogananda writes extensively on the qualities of sounds.
He continues
The potencies sound and of vach ( the human voice) have nowhere else been so profoundly investigated as in india.
The aum vibration reverberates throughout the universe (the ‘word’ or ‘the voices of many waters’ of the bible) has three manifestations creation, preservation and destruction
(The basic unit foundation of creation on which the whole of the manifest is world is built and held together) the creative voice of god, heard as AUM- the vibration of the cosmic motor.

In the beginning was the word and the word was with god and the word was god.
John 1.1

Each time man utters a word he puts into force one of the three qualities of AUM. This is the lawful reasoning behind the injunction that man should speak the truth.




Biblical words refer to the three fold nature of god as the father, the son, and the holy spirit.
GOD the father, the absolute unmanifest existing beyond all vibratory creation. The source of all creation. From which everything is born.
SON the son, is the Christ consciousness (brahma). The Christ conciousness is the only begotten or sole reflection of the uncreated infinite.
The outward manifestation of the omnipresent Christ conciousness its witness is AUM, the word or the holy ghost.
The invisible divine power the only doer, the sole causative and actual force, that holds the whole of creation through vibration.
‘no man hath seen god at any time’
(no mortal under ‘time’ and the relativities of maya can realises the infinite.
‘The only begotten son, which is in the bosom of the father
(the reflected Christ conciousness, or outwardly projected perfect intelligence that is guiding all structural phenomena through AUM vibration has issued forth from the ‘bosom’ or deeps of the uncreated divine in order to express the variety of unity) he hath declared him.

AUM is the blissful comforter heard in meditation and reveals to the devotee the ultimate truth à brings all things into remembrance.
The acient rishi’s discovered these laws of sound alliance between nature and man is an objectification of AUM the primal sound or vibrating word. Man man has control over all natural manifestations through the use of certain defined mantras, chants or words.

Kriya yoga consists of body discipline, mental control and meditating on AUM
Patanjali speaks of god as the actual cosmic sound of Aum that is heard in meditation.
AUM is said to be the creative word/sound/shabd. The whir of the vibratory motor of the cosmos, the witness of divine presence, even beginners in yoga may soon hear the wonderous sound of AUM.

‘These things saith the AMEN, the faithful and the true witness, the beginning of the creation of god – revelation 3:14
In the beginning was the word and the word was with god and the word was god.’

….all things were made by him (word or aum) and without him was not anything made that was made - John 1 1:3

AUM of the Vedas became the sacred HUM of the Tibetans, AMIN of the Moslems, AMEN of the Egyptians, Romans, Jews and Christians
It’s meaning in Hebrew is sure / faithful.


So guru nanaks statement and revelation was a universal quantifier.
EK ONKAR SATNAAM.
Shabd yoga – mantra to transcend mental and physical realms- from sikh
aum is root sound of creative force, primal vibration, the big bang or subtle echo? Quantum theory’s primal string. The super string.




Guru Nanak Jees’ revelation recognises the unity and source of all the religious and spiritual endeavours. All past prophets having connected with the same divine creative source, the only difference being the culture and context the messages have been delivered.

A different conception from that of the Trinitarian reality sat, tat, aum.
Or father, son, and the holy ghost. Brahman, Vishnu and Shiva represents the trine expressions of god in the aspect of tat or son à the Christ conciousness imminent in vibratory creation. The shakti’s energies or ‘consorts’ of the trinity are symbols of AUM. Or the holy ghost the sole causative force that upholds the cosmos via vibration.

‘O lord …. Thou hast created all things and for the pleasure they are and were created.’ Revelation 4:11

Guru nanak asks us to keep in mind the true name/sound/shabd at all times, forever connecting us to our source and creator, then all righteous living modes will be assimilated with effortless ease and with god’s grace.

As Christ said ‘ ****connect to spirit and thy faith will do the rest’
Similar statement as Guru Nanak dev jee never implied the need for any man to change their religion. But approach this with a sincere attitude and seeing the communality and brotherhood of all mankind.
On a physical level it is said that Mans’ body battery is not sustained by gross (bread) food alone, but by the vibratory cosmic energy (word/shabd/Aum)
This invisible energy flows into the human body through the gate of the medulla oblongetta. This sixth bodily centre is located at the back of the neck at the top of the five spinal chakras ( Sanskrit word for energy wheels, centres or junctions, radiating life force)

The medulla is the principle entrance for the bodies supply universal energy (AUM) is directly connected by polarity with the with the Christ conscious centre in the single eye between the eye brow, the seat of a man’s power of will. Cosmic energy is then stored up in the seventh centre, in the brain, as a reservoir of infinite potenalities (mentioned in the Vedas as a thousand petaled lotus of light)

The bible refers to AUM as the holy ghost or invisible life force that divinely upholds all of creation.
‘what ? know ye not that your body is the temple of the holy ghost which is in you. Which ye have of god and ye are not your own’
I.Corinthians

A mantra is a potent vibratory chant. The literal translation mantra from the Sanskrit is à An instrument of thought.
it signifies ‘the ideal, inaudible sounds which represent one aspect of creation; when vocalised as syllables a mantra constitutes a universal terminology (Websters new international dictionary)

à gurbani and eurthymy explains this.
The infinite powers of sound are derived from aum, the word or creative hum of the cosmic motor.

A mantra has relation to (5th chakra) breath as link between the mind and body. Breathe with focus on mantra strengthens connection and overcomes duality. Simraan on AUM allows mind body links to strengthen within the highest vibratory energies.

The bible reveals that the Hebrew prophets were well aware that god has made the breathe as a subtle link between body and soul.

‘the lord god formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils and man became a living soul’ –Genesis

Rudolf Steiner in his book ‘The fifth gospel says that AUM was the root sound that Jesus was refer to in his prayers amen has been the cultural interpretation


The human body is composed of chemical and metallic substances that are also found in the ‘dust of the ground’
The flesh of man could never carry on activity nor manifest energy and motion were it not for the life currents transmitting by the soul to body through the breathe (gaseous energy). The life currents, operating in the human body are an expression of the AUM vibration of the omnipresent soul.

‘Be still and know that I AM god. His omnipresence the lord is heard only through immaculate silences. Reverberating through the universe as the creative AUM vibration, the primal sound instantly translates itself into intelligible words for the devotee in attainment.

To the prophet Isaiah, god revealed his intentions in these words
‘ So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth; it shall not return me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing where to I sent it.
For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands’.
waheguru je ka khalsa waheguru je ke fateh
Ranjeev Singh
 
Aug 27, 2005
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Namaste,
That was a great post.:wah: I have found one element that I would like to discuss further.
"If unfortunately the householder begins this mantra meditation he experience destructive effects in his material life. The effects starts with monetary loss and then goes on to destroy all objects of affection one by one. Such a man may find, loss of money separation from close ones, utter frustration and peacelessness."

Through meditation one arrives at compassionate detachment before renunciation. I consider this carrying out ones duties selflessly without expectation and doing no harm. I understand the tradition is after household duties are fulfilled then renunciation shoud begin. Detachment being the prelude to renunciation.

It is attachments to this world that keep us from realizing that essence of God that we really and eternally are.:advocate:
 

21khalsa13

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It is attachments to this world that keep us from realizing that essence of God that we really and eternally are.:advocate: __________________
absolutley!!

my point was adoption of this princple (whole mind concentration, understanding and actualisation) eliminates these minor vibrations. these lesser vibrations begin to pale in complexion. the longer and deeper the quality of time spent contemplating this phenomen deepens this experience. "If unfortunately the householder begins this mantra meditation he experience destructive effects in his material life. The effects starts with monetary loss and then goes on to destroy all objects of affection one by one. Such a man may find, loss of money separation from close ones, utter frustration and peacelessness."

"If unfortunately the householder begins this mantra meditation he experience destructive effects in his material life. The effects starts with monetary loss and then goes on to destroy all objects of affection one by one. Such a man may find, loss of money separation from close ones, utter frustration and peacelessness."

this quote was from maharishi reflecting/advocating the hindu practices of householder first then saanyas. in sikhi, i believe there is no separtion between life and god. it is not an either, or, situation it is an and. not either life or god. life and god !!
 

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