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<blockquote data-quote="angrisha" data-source="post: 196102" data-attributes="member: 12238"><p>I will probably to read more into bani, and im sure my opinions are changing all the time.</p><p></p><p>I dont think bani ever says to wait till your next life, on the contrary we have no idea even if there is a next life what that will entail. So the message ive always taken away is that, you only have this life and even that is often unpredictable enough. You only every really have this moment, even the next moment is a mystery.</p><p>Saying your going to put things in to the next life or wait for then seems an awful lot like gambiling....</p><p>Guruji says in Ananad Sahib ji:</p><p></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਜੀਅਹੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%88%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%87" target="_blank">ਮੈਲੇ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਬਾਹਰਹੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B2" target="_blank">ਨਿਰਮਲ </a> ॥</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #008080">जीअहु मैले बाहरहु निरमल ॥</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'">Jī▫ahu maile bāhrahu nirmal.</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="color: #000080">Inwardly polluted, and outwardly pure.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਬਾਹਰਹੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B2" target="_blank">ਨਿਰਮਲ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਜੀਅਹੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4" target="_blank">ਤ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%88%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%87" target="_blank">ਮੈਲੇ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਤਿਨੀ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਜਨਮੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%90" target="_blank">ਜੂਐ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86" target="_blank">ਹਾਰਿਆ </a> ॥</span></span></p><p> ]<span style="color: #008080">बाहरहु निरमल जीअहु त मैले तिनी जनमु जूऐ हारिआ ॥</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'">Bāhrahu nirmal jī▫ahu ṯa maile ṯinī janam jū▫ai hāri▫ā.</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="color: #000080">Those who are outwardly pure and yet polluted within, lose their lives in the gamble.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%8F%E0%A8%B9" target="_blank">ਏਹ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਤਿਸਨਾ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%A1%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਵਡਾ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਰੋਗੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਲਗਾ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A3%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਮਰਣੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਮਨਹੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86" target="_blank">ਵਿਸਾਰਿਆ </a> ॥</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #008080">एह तिसना वडा रोगु लगा मरणु मनहु विसारिआ ॥</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'">Ėh ṯisnā vadā rog lagā maraṇ manhu visāri▫ā.</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="color: #000080">They contract this terrible disease of desire, and in their minds, they forget about dying.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਵੇਦਾ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਮਹਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਨਾਮੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਉਤਮੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank">ਸੋ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਸੁਣਹਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਨਾਹੀ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AB%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਫਿਰਹਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%89" target="_blank">ਜਿਉ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86" target="_blank">ਬੇਤਾਲਿਆ </a> ॥</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #008080">वेदा महि नामु उतमु सो सुणहि नाही फिरहि जिउ बेतालिआ ॥</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'">veḏā mėh nām uṯam so suṇėh nāhī firėh ji▫o beṯāli▫ā.</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="color: #000080">In the Vedas, the ultimate objective is the Naam, the Name of the Lord; but they do not hear this, and they wander around like demons.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਕਹੈ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਨਾਨਕੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank">ਜਿਨ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%9A%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਸਚੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86" target="_blank">ਤਜਿਆ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%82%E0%A9%9C%E0%A9%87" target="_blank">ਕੂੜੇ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%87" target="_blank">ਲਾਗੇ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਤਿਨੀ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਜਨਮੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%90" target="_blank">ਜੂਐ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86" target="_blank">ਹਾਰਿਆ </a> ॥੧੯॥</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #008080">कहै नानकु जिन सचु तजिआ कूड़े लागे तिनी जनमु जूऐ हारिआ ॥१९॥</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'">Kahai Nānak jin sacẖ ṯaji▫ā kūṛe lāge ṯinī janam jū▫ai hāri▫ā. ||19||</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="color: #000080">Says Nanak, those who forsake Truth and cling to falsehood, lose their lives in the gamble. ||19||</span></span></p><p></p><p>The other point is, im not sure if Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is speaking of literal karma/reincarnation... but more so how they apply to the person on a step by step level. Karma for example involves actual doing, i.e. physically or mental.... to be simpler it does after our day to day lives, so thus the types of actions you take basically are what you attract back to you. I.e. If I wake up grumpy, and then am grumpy to the poor lady giving me coffee, if she then becomes grumpy towards.....its all your own actions casuing these changes.... Im not talking about past life, only current life actions.</p><p></p><p>Secondly, reincarnation can be seen on a microscopic scale of how we reincarnate many times in our lives and a fairly frequent pace. As we grow and change and learn we are never exactly the same at one moment to the next... Our concept of self and humai are constantly in flux.... The longer you take to sort out some of the lessons which bring you pain and hair ships, the more 'cycles"you have to go through....</p><p></p><p>Some concepts defiantly get clouded with Buddhist or hindu teachings..... this is why self learning i so important</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="angrisha, post: 196102, member: 12238"] I will probably to read more into bani, and im sure my opinions are changing all the time. I dont think bani ever says to wait till your next life, on the contrary we have no idea even if there is a next life what that will entail. So the message ive always taken away is that, you only have this life and even that is often unpredictable enough. You only every really have this moment, even the next moment is a mystery. Saying your going to put things in to the next life or wait for then seems an awful lot like gambiling.... Guruji says in Ananad Sahib ji: [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81']ਜੀਅਹੁ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%88%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%87']ਮੈਲੇ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81']ਬਾਹਰਹੁ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B2']ਨਿਰਮਲ [/URL] ॥[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=#008080]जीअहु मैले बाहरहु निरमल ॥[/COLOR] [FONT=TAHOMA]Jī▫ahu maile bāhrahu nirmal.[/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][COLOR=#000080]Inwardly polluted, and outwardly pure. [/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81']ਬਾਹਰਹੁ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B2']ਨਿਰਮਲ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81']ਜੀਅਹੁ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4']ਤ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%88%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%87']ਮੈਲੇ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80']ਤਿਨੀ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81']ਜਨਮੁ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%90']ਜੂਐ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86']ਹਾਰਿਆ [/URL] ॥[/COLOR][/FONT] ][COLOR=#008080]बाहरहु निरमल जीअहु त मैले तिनी जनमु जूऐ हारिआ ॥[/COLOR] [FONT=TAHOMA]Bāhrahu nirmal jī▫ahu ṯa maile ṯinī janam jū▫ai hāri▫ā.[/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][COLOR=#000080]Those who are outwardly pure and yet polluted within, lose their lives in the gamble. [/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%8F%E0%A8%B9']ਏਹ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE']ਤਿਸਨਾ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%A1%E0%A8%BE']ਵਡਾ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81']ਰੋਗੁ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%BE']ਲਗਾ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A3%E0%A9%81']ਮਰਣੁ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81']ਮਨਹੁ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86']ਵਿਸਾਰਿਆ [/URL] ॥[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=#008080]एह तिसना वडा रोगु लगा मरणु मनहु विसारिआ ॥[/COLOR] [FONT=TAHOMA]Ėh ṯisnā vadā rog lagā maraṇ manhu visāri▫ā.[/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][COLOR=#000080]They contract this terrible disease of desire, and in their minds, they forget about dying. [/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%BE']ਵੇਦਾ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF']ਮਹਿ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81']ਨਾਮੁ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81']ਉਤਮੁ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%8B']ਸੋ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF']ਸੁਣਹਿ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%80']ਨਾਹੀ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AB%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF']ਫਿਰਹਿ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%89']ਜਿਉ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86']ਬੇਤਾਲਿਆ [/URL] ॥[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=#008080]वेदा महि नामु उतमु सो सुणहि नाही फिरहि जिउ बेतालिआ ॥[/COLOR] [FONT=TAHOMA]veḏā mėh nām uṯam so suṇėh nāhī firėh ji▫o beṯāli▫ā.[/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][COLOR=#000080]In the Vedas, the ultimate objective is the Naam, the Name of the Lord; but they do not hear this, and they wander around like demons. [/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%88']ਕਹੈ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%81']ਨਾਨਕੁ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A8']ਜਿਨ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%9A%E0%A9%81']ਸਚੁ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86']ਤਜਿਆ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%82%E0%A9%9C%E0%A9%87']ਕੂੜੇ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%87']ਲਾਗੇ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80']ਤਿਨੀ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81']ਜਨਮੁ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%90']ਜੂਐ [/URL] [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86']ਹਾਰਿਆ [/URL] ॥੧੯॥[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=#008080]कहै नानकु जिन सचु तजिआ कूड़े लागे तिनी जनमु जूऐ हारिआ ॥१९॥[/COLOR] [FONT=TAHOMA]Kahai Nānak jin sacẖ ṯaji▫ā kūṛe lāge ṯinī janam jū▫ai hāri▫ā. ||19||[/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][COLOR=#000080]Says Nanak, those who forsake Truth and cling to falsehood, lose their lives in the gamble. ||19||[/COLOR][/FONT] The other point is, im not sure if Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is speaking of literal karma/reincarnation... but more so how they apply to the person on a step by step level. Karma for example involves actual doing, i.e. physically or mental.... to be simpler it does after our day to day lives, so thus the types of actions you take basically are what you attract back to you. I.e. If I wake up grumpy, and then am grumpy to the poor lady giving me coffee, if she then becomes grumpy towards.....its all your own actions casuing these changes.... Im not talking about past life, only current life actions. Secondly, reincarnation can be seen on a microscopic scale of how we reincarnate many times in our lives and a fairly frequent pace. As we grow and change and learn we are never exactly the same at one moment to the next... Our concept of self and humai are constantly in flux.... The longer you take to sort out some of the lessons which bring you pain and hair ships, the more 'cycles"you have to go through.... Some concepts defiantly get clouded with Buddhist or hindu teachings..... this is why self learning i so important [/QUOTE]
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