Here is a little background i just wrote about this game plan....as alluded by Narayan Ji above...Mail posted to ANZ_SIKHS @Yahoogroups.com ( a good sikhi/gurmatt based yahoo group that one should join )...
Guru Piayario Jios,
Gurfateh.
It is precisley that all this "fort of fakery" has been built brick by brick. It was written..PEEVOH PAHUL KHANDEYDHAAR..hoevh Janam suhela...and this was subtly and so slyly transformed into something it is NOT..over the past few decades..
Similarly our "history" is being adulterated and falsified right under our noses...Huge signboards proclaim this and that Beri has this and that "power"...this and that dead stock of an old tree was used by so and so Guru to tie His Horse..so its HOLY...so and so sat under this tree..its holy...poojan yog.....such and such Guru drank milk out of a vessel with a hundred or so holes..so water in it is "Amrit"..in Fact everything is AMRIT these days..water kept in Bottles under the Plaki Sahib is "amrit"..water from this sarovar or that sarovar or this Baoli and that baoli is "Amrit"..aandh vishwaash and more andh vishwaash is being promoted right inside Historical Gurdwaras..Ghee Jyots burn beside SGGS in Gurdwars under the SGPC when its SRM the Sikh Rehat Maryada clearly PROHIBITS such...Model Aeroplanes are being matha teked in front of SGGS to make the dream migration to Canada/USA/Germany/France....<wbr>anywhere except India..come true...samadhs are being used for Akhand Paaths...Amrtidharees wearing kirpans and all are matha teking and chharraying chadrs at Muslim Pir Graves..marrhees...sikh women are daily visiting DERAS of all types in search of instant cures such as domestic violence/alcoholism/drug adicts/as husbands/sons/daughters in law who always give birth to gilrs...maortgages, karza..suicides...and the Babas and their chelas there then carry out even more horrendous Mental and Physical Torture of these helpless women, raping them and looting them of their wealth..these fools "donate" all their milk supplies and best Ghee to these saadhs and worthless parasites and their children drink weak chah or watered down lassee..scores of the ebst milker cows and buffaloes are donated to saadh deras instead of producing milk for their children...milk is being used to wash Gurdawra floors and Nishan Sahibs...Has every child in Punjab been fed enough Milk that we cna afford to waste this precious resource to wash floors..is this sanctioned in Gurbani ? Gurbani says Greeb da Moohn is Gurus Golak..BUT today OUR GOLAK is for the Rich and Powerful to control the Gurdwaras and pay Goondas to whack Gursikhs..our Langgars feed the over fed sikhs and NOT greebs who are not even allowed to sit near the Gurdwara langgar halls..
And now this last straw that breaks the camels back...an undisguised attempt to even "take the Guru down"..by promoting a book as equal and Gurbani when Guur Gobind Singh Ji Himself clearly established the Gurgadee of Nanak is passed down to One and Only SGGS for eternity.
For more than 60 years, the SGPC by using only the three takhat jathedars in Punjab under their control and adding two more mere GRANTHIS/Head Granthis employed at Harmandir sahib to make up the 5 Takhat jathedars (technically only 3 Takhat Jathedars) and EXCLUDING the Takhat Patna and Hazoor Sahib Jathedars, managed to pass all Hukmnamahs to their liking. That was becasue the two outside Jathedars were follwoing a Maryada entirley OUT OF SYNC with the SRM of Akal Takhat/SGPC...But over the past decade or so the SGPC Maryada has been so much corrupted that it is now almost identical to the Brahminically inspired Hazoor shaib/Patna Sahib Maryadas..and thus the two OUTSIDE Jathedars began to be invited to Amritsar..even though ocassionally the Patna Jathedar made ridiculous statements that His Takhat was actually superior to Akal takhat etc etc.. So as they say the AAVAA is OOT GIYAH...all are now One and the same..and since the Bachitar natak Granth is paraksh equal to SGGS at these two outside takhats...the emphssis now is to do the same in Punjab as well as demolish the Nanaksahi Calendar and reintroduce the BikriMi Calendar as per RSS/BJP lobby wishes to make Sikhism a branch/offshoot of Hinduism.With the Badals in power in Punjab Govt as well as SGPC all he cares about is the Vote of the deras, ashutoshs, radhasoamis, namdharees and etc etc..Sikhs and Sikhi doesnt matter at all in his equation- to him the END justifies the Means..and its whats HIS END that matters....and the Pliable jathedars sgpc are all at his beck and call.....they are so low down they will do his every bidding without question....or be prepared to go at the drop of a badal hat !! The Emphasis now is to CHANGE the SRM..Sikh Rehat maryada into a mixture of Hazoor shaib/nanaksar/damdami taksaal/brahminised maryada of Patna sahib/Derawadee Maryadas.....and get it sanctioned as Akal takhat maryada....without the Diaspora Sikhs being able to do anything about it.
It is up to us Diaspora Sikhs to save Sikhi...or our coming generations will never forgive us....
Jarnail Singh
2. Guru Piayario Jios,
Gurfateh.
It is precisley that all this "fort of fakery" has been built brick by brick. It was written..PEEVOH PAHUL KHANDEYDHAAR..hoevh Janam suhela...and this was subtly and so slyly transformed into something it is NOT..over the past few decades..
Similarly our "history" is being adulterated and falsified right under our noses...Huge signboards proclaim this and that Beri has this and that "power"...this and that dead stock of an old tree was used by so and so Guru to tie His Horse..so its HOLY...so and so sat under this tree..its holy...poojan yog.....such and such Guru drank milk out of a vessel with a hundred or so holes..so water in it is "Amrit"..in Fact everything is AMRIT these days..water kept in Bottles under the Plaki Sahib is "amrit"..water from this sarovar or that sarovar or this Baoli and that baoli is "Amrit"..aandh vishwaash and more andh vishwaash is being promoted right inside Historical Gurdwaras..Ghee Jyots burn beside SGGS in Gurdwars under the SGPC when its SRM the Sikh Rehat Maryada clearly PROHIBITS such...Model Aeroplanes are being matha teked in front of SGGS to make the dream migration to Canada/USA/Germany/France....<wbr>anywhere except India..come true...samadhs are being used for Akhand Paaths...Amrtidharees wearing kirpans and all are matha teking and chharraying chadrs at Muslim Pir Graves..marrhees...sikh women are daily visiting DERAS of all types in search of instant cures such as domestic violence/alcoholism/drug adicts/as husbands/sons/daughters in law who always give birth to gilrs...maortgages, karza..suicides...and the Babas and their chelas there then carry out even more horrendous Mental and Physical Torture of these helpless women, raping them and looting them of their wealth..these fools "donate" all their milk supplies and best Ghee to these saadhs and worthless parasites and their children drink weak chah or watered down lassee..scores of the ebst milker cows and buffaloes are donated to saadh deras instead of producing milk for their children...milk is being used to wash Gurdawra floors and Nishan Sahibs...Has every child in Punjab been fed enough Milk that we cna afford to waste this precious resource to wash floors..is this sanctioned in Gurbani ? Gurbani says Greeb da Moohn is Gurus Golak..BUT today OUR GOLAK is for the Rich and Powerful to control the Gurdwaras and pay Goondas to whack Gursikhs..our Langgars feed the over fed sikhs and NOT greebs who are not even allowed to sit near the Gurdwara langgar halls..
And now this last straw that breaks the camels back...an undisguised attempt to even "take the Guru down"..by promoting a book as equal and Gurbani when Guur Gobind Singh Ji Himself clearly established the Gurgadee of Nanak is passed down to One and Only SGGS for eternity.
For more than 60 years, the SGPC by using only the three takhat jathedars in Punjab under their control and adding two more mere GRANTHIS/Head Granthis employed at Harmandir sahib to make up the 5 Takhat jathedars (technically only 3 Takhat Jathedars) and EXCLUDING the Takhat Patna and Hazoor Sahib Jathedars, managed to pass all Hukmnamahs to their liking. That was becasue the two outside Jathedars were follwoing a Maryada entirley OUT OF SYNC with the SRM of Akal Takhat/SGPC...But over the past decade or so the SGPC Maryada has been so much corrupted that it is now almost identical to the Brahminically inspired Hazoor shaib/Patna Sahib Maryadas..and thus the two OUTSIDE Jathedars began to be invited to Amritsar..even though ocassionally the Patna Jathedar made ridiculous statements that His Takhat was actually superior to Akal takhat etc etc.. So as they say the AAVAA is OOT GIYAH...all are now One and the same..and since the Bachitar natak Granth is paraksh equal to SGGS at these two outside takhats...the emphssis now is to do the same in Punjab as well as demolish the Nanaksahi Calendar and reintroduce the BikriMi Calendar as per RSS/BJP lobby wishes to make Sikhism a branch/offshoot of Hinduism.With the Badals in power in Punjab Govt as well as SGPC all he cares about is the Vote of the deras, ashutoshs, radhasoamis, namdharees and etc etc..Sikhs and Sikhi doesnt matter at all in his equation- to him the END justifies the Means..and its whats HIS END that matters....and the Pliable jathedars sgpc are all at his beck and call.....they are so low down they will do his every bidding without question....or be prepared to go at the drop of a badal hat !! The Emphasis now is to CHANGE the SRM..Sikh Rehat maryada into a mixture of Hazoor shaib/nanaksar/damdami taksaal/brahminised maryada of Patna sahib/Derawadee Maryadas.....and get it sanctioned as Akal takhat maryada....without the Diaspora Sikhs being able to do anything about it.
It is up to us Diaspora Sikhs to save Sikhi...or our coming generations will never forgive us....
Jarnail Singh
2. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:47 PM, dmsingh65 <
dmsingh65@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Kirpal Singh ji,
As you wrote:
"Guru Gobind Singh Ji gave us a HUKAM to accept Guru Granth Sahib as our Guru. So it is clear that no other Granth or Book or Writing can be equated with Grur Granth Sahib"
That's very well said.
So if we accept Guru Granth Sahib as our Guru as ordained by Guru Gobind Singh ji, then let's explore our Shabad Guru and see what it says about Amrit?
'rasna naam japoo thab mathia ein bidh amrit pavoo' M:1, pg 728
'amrit naam parmesar teraa joo simrae soo jivee' M:5, pg 616
'thaal vich tin ......., amrit naam thakur ka paeoo jis ka sabs adaroo' M:5, pg 1429
'amrit naam nidhan hae mil pevoo bhai' M:5, pg 318
Other references of the word amrit are related to Bani and satguru.
'jinaa gurbani maan bhaea amrit chaak chakee' M:4, pg 449
'amrit bachan satgur ki bani joo bolee soo mukh amrit pavee' M4, pg494
My question is how and when we started to call/name the Initiation/Khandee ke pahul as Amrit?
We need to apply the same rational to Nitnem banis. On what basis (whether historical evidence/Guru Granth Sahib) the present day Nitnem banis were decided by the Sikh leaders in 1930/40s? Does reading the same banis every day - some of which are not even part of Guru Granth sahib reflect the thought of Guru Granth sahib?? ('Gur satgur ka joo sikh akhae soo bhal ke udh har naam dhiae')
Regards,
GurFateh!
Devinder Singh
3. In ANZ_SIKHS@yahoogroups.com, kirpal singh <kirpal2singh@...> wrote:
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> Wahegru Ji Ka Khalsa
> Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
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> 1. The current controversy between Jathedars of Akal Takhat Sahib and Prof. Darshan Singh is unnecessary dragging the entire community into it. If Prof. Darshan Singh was clear in his mind that he has not said anything against Guru Gobind Singh Ji, then he should not have accepted to appear at all infront of the Jathedars. He should have ignored a call from misguided Jathedars. The whole drama is nothing but a mockery of Sikh Community at large.
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> It is actually a fight between the current Jathedars of Akal Takhat and a former Jathedar, Prof. Darshan Singh Khalsa - at the cost of humiliating the Sikh Community.
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> 2. Guru Gobind Singh Ji gave us a HUKAM to accept Guru Granth Sahib as our Guru. So it is clear that no other Granth or Book or Writing can be equated with Grur Granth Sahib. Is the Guru's Hukam not enough to resolve this Dasam Granth issue?
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> The Dasam Granth issue is a deep rooted controversy - If we accept that the Dasam Granth is not attributed to Guru Granth Sahib the the Nitmem Banis and the Amrit are sidelined. If we accept that Guru Gobind Singh Ji is the author of the Dasam Granth the it discredits Guru Ji. It is deep rooted conspiracy to discredit the the Insitution of the Sikhism and Khalsa Panth. We need more careful and serious thinking about this issue. The Community should allow a status quo without a parallel prakash of Dasam Granth with The GURU GRANTH SAHIB till the matter is resolved by a group of ANBHAVI SIKHS.
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> 3. A title "Khalsa" is used by Prof. Darshan Singh - Could any body tell me that who awards this title to individuals or how do individual qualify to get this title. As far history goes Guru Gobind used the word to denote Khalsa Panth. ( It is a querry and not to disregard those who have just chosen to add this title after their names). I asked many people about the origin of prefix "Professor" added to Prof. Darshan Singh's name but no one has been able to give a satisfactory answer (ag ain a querry please?). The best answer was that he was teahing musi and their he got this title with reverence and not that he was professor in a unversity. In India.
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> 4.A lot has been circulated about recent unrest in Punjab and killing of a Sikh and brutalitly of Punjab Police. No one has questioned those sikh looking-hooligans carrying swords and lathis on the street. I think that such elements who take law in their hands shoud be severaly dealt with.
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> Every sect or Dera has a civil right with due permission from authorities to hold their functions whether or not another group like it or not.As a Community we should learn to debate effectively rather than running on streets with naked swords. I am sure that our Gurus will disapprove of such a senseless demonstration. We should tke lead fro Guru Granth Sahib and live with others with respect and diginity.
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> If the Sikh of Bombay hold a religious function and Bal or Raj Takheray say that we shall not allow the Sikh Community to go ahead with their function. I am sure we shallall feel hurt.
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> As a Community we should learn not play in hands of a few who have their vested interests rather than in the larger interest of the Sikh Community.
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> May Waheguru bless you all.
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>:happysingh: These are some of the issues that are at the back of all this....Darshan Singh ji is definitley NOT the sole target..he is just a small cog in the chain...
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