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Navdeep88

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Thank you findingmyway ji,

I also usually rely on intellect... But its a funny thing, on the one hand its needed for self-discipline, to get through life etc, but sometimes backfires because the brain... talks, frets, worries, makes excuses non-stop! I think intellect is an excellent, absolutely necessary tool for faith.
 

Seeker9

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Great question Navdeep88 Ji

I use intellect to translate and reflect on what I have learned

I then have faith in that process!

In doing so....I am not confusing intellect with a faith in Science that it has all the answers to life's questions

Intellect is my "reasoning engine" to make sense of the world around me

:)
 
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JimRinX

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Interesting Question, Navdeep ji!
But then I'm always wrestling with it; as I'm something of a 'lay-polymath', with a far reaching knowledge of everything from relativity to quantum chromo dynamics, but I also had a kind of 'epiphany' - I left my Body behind, spoke to God, then returned - and, afterwards, there was a pronounced white streak in my hair that had not been there before.
Perhaps God made that happen because Hirm knew that that was the only way I'd ever be able to convince myself (as many Psychiatrists and Atheist Sceintist would also like to) that the Experience was REAL - rather than just some Halucination; some Lucid Dream; some misfiring of the neurons in my temporal and visual cortices - as Hirm knew that I would know that such things as the transmutation of matter (like removing the melanin protein {which colors the hair} from the colloidal keratin suspension {which hair is}, in order to turn it white, while simultaneously reprogramming the methylation groups in my hair folicules DNA, so that only that small bundle of hairs would continue to grow white for the rest of my days; as only "matter transmutation" - by Miracle, or impossible Star Trek Technology - could account for this happening) were still centuries in our future, if they're possible at all.
This is also why I think Sikhism is a True Belief; as I, too, have, "Walked - though I had no legs; Seen - though I had no eyes......"
Believe! I can assure you, no one snuck up behind me with a bottle of peroxide, while my body was lying on the grass, and my Spirit was traveling about the Local Group!
 

Adi Nanaki

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My faith begins with semi-waking and doing a morning blessing of all human facets, (ie may my eyes see only truth), requesting that the Guru carry the blessing deeply to open the eyes of all his beloveds to truth. My cold shower includes ten squats front and back calling on each of the ten Gurus--total bliss! I do a full Nitnem Paath as a way of engaging with the Gurus each day. Jaap Sahib is done with Sat Kriya, where I powerfully chant Sat Nam to its rhythm and call on the 10 Gurus to wash the world. This task was given to me by Guru Gobind Singh when he placed a 3-D image of the world on my fingertips during this kriya five or so years ago, asking me to wash, rinse and wring it out. I relax with Tawv Prasad Swaya and Anand Sahib. Rehiras is recited with Z TVs broadcast of the evening Golden Temple program. My three evening meditations are used to call upon the Gurus to bring prosperity, blessings and healing to people in need and to all the world. My day is winds down with Kirtan Sohila in bound lotus just before going to bed, where I call on the Gurus by breathing them into me to feel each of them in essence and be carried to their holy realm as I sleep. In living with the Gurus this way they have blessed with the gift of calling upon them to vastly come through and bless and heal others--a meditative Healing Ardas.

Sat Nam! animatedkhanda1
 
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Interesting Question, Navdeep ji!
But then I'm always wrestling with it; as I'm something of a 'lay-polymath', with a far reaching knowledge of everything from relativity to quantum chromo dynamics, but I also had a kind of 'epiphany' - I left my Body behind, spoke to God, then returned - and, afterwards, there was a pronounced white streak in my hair that had not been there before.
Perhaps God made that happen because Hirm knew that that was the only way I'd ever be able to convince myself (as many Psychiatrists and Atheist Sceintist would also like to) that the Experience was REAL - rather than just some Halucination; some Lucid Dream; some misfiring of the neurons in my temporal and visual cortices - as Hirm knew that I would know that such things as the transmutation of matter (like removing the melanin protein {which colors the hair} from the colloidal keratin suspension {which hair is}, in order to turn it white, while simultaneously reprogramming the methylation groups in my hair folicules DNA, so that only that small bundle of hairs would continue to grow white for the rest of my days; as only "matter transmutation" - by Miracle, or impossible Star Trek Technology - could account for this happening) were still centuries in our future, if they're possible at all.
This is also why I think Sikhism is a True Belief; as I, too, have, "Walked - though I had no legs; Seen - though I had no eyes......"
Believe! I can assure you, no one snuck up behind me with a bottle of peroxide, while my body was lying on the grass, and my Spirit was traveling about the Local Group!

No disrespect Jim but you couldn't have made it more complicated peacesign
 

ZaraONE

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Jul 26, 2010
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Dear Navdeep
Thanks for posing the question.

Total unconditional Faith and surrendering to the Infinite Eternal Guru is the path that works well for myself and will work for humanity as a whole.

Japji and Rehras are two musts for me it is the "energy connection" to keep the light ON. During the day Gurbani random ang selections an excellent site at www.searchgurbani.com

Intellect as in be vigilant, allow time to contemplate the "data" being presented to you via inner and outer intuitive nudging. Don't waste too much time analyzing just go with the flow and Trust ... the biggest lesson to learn is go with the flow because the Universal ONE has much bigger eyeballs than we little things and knows the best path to get you from A to B!

"Experience" is key, not blind faith and heresay. Then the knowledge of each journey must be shared to allow others to contemplate and see if it makes sense in their own journey. We all have unique gifts which we must put effort into activating in this lifetime, which will "reveal" our purpose and storyboard for this lifetime.

I have written a free e-book on my web site StarMinds Connecting the Dots at www.unitedstarminds.com and free information in the Evidence Room which you can read to see how Guru is communicating but we must all "tune into the right energy frequency" to understand the very subtle communication happening around us.

Enjoy and let me know if you have any further questions.

PS: Your ID is 88, I see this number often, look up ANG 88 and see Guru's message for you, everything is intelligent, everything.
 

Ambarsaria

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For me faith is normal transition between a mix of aspects. The mix has changed over time and generally can vary event by event, day by day though most of the time with a baseline.

So I say,

  • So when I was born it was,
    • 100% Heart, 0% Intellect:motherlylove:
  • So when I was 5 years old it was,
      • 95% Heart, 5% Intellect:motherlylove:
  • So when I was 10 years old it was,
      • 80% Heart, 20% Intellectwelcomemunda
  • So when I was 15 years old it was,
      • 65% Heart, 35% Intellect:interestedsingh:
  • So when I was 20 years old it was,
      • 55% Heart, 45% Intellect:redturban:
  • So when I was 30 years old it was,
      • 50% Heart, 50% Intellect:singhsippingcoffee:
  • .
  • .
  • .
  • I project when I am near death
    • It will be 5% Heart and 95% Intellectjapposatnamwaheguru:
Bottom-line is, that for me the Heart and Intellect have changed over time.

Sat Sri Akal.
 

jsteji1

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Good question Navdeep ji:

I refer to a quote, author is anonymous:

"It took me a heck a lot of knowledge to figure out how ignorant I am"

That is why I have faith in Waheguru, and I have gotten every thing I wanted and much more than I deserve.

This state of intellect opens many doors of opportunity and learning.

"Tudh Agay ardass hamari jee pind sabh Tera , Kaho Nanak sabh teri Wadyayi Koi Naam Na janey mera..."

Guru Rakha.

Jagjit Singh
 

gurbanicd

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Oct 26, 2009
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Dear Members,

I am interested in your understanding of your faith. Particularly, how much of it stems from INTELLECT and how much from HEART because the interaction seems crucial. What is YOUR formula or process to build, sustain and honor your faith?

Thank you.
dear g

Intellect and faith is varying from person to person and is dependent on past karma.

Guru Sahib intellect is infinite and his love (is limitless) and lucky are those who gets some part of that through waheguru's blessing.

The formula or process to build sustain and honor your faith.

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NAVDEEP Ji,

Very interesting and intrigue question,different for different people but the combination of INTELLECT and HEART is wonderful in development of right faith.

Initial faith does not requre any intellect as this is primarily fixed by BIRTH.Since I took birth in a SIKH family so that constituted my base of faith.Later on it is question of depth to which one has gone in that specific faith.

As one grors INTELLECT develops in different ways depending upon several direct and indirect factors one comes across.

So by the GRACE of GURU, I definitely use the INTELLECT to know my GURU. Having known GURU with further grace I was introduced to SATiGURu/SATiGUR. From SATiGURu using my INTELLECT I grasped and understood and SATiGURu gifted NAAMu for my
HEART.

So when NAAMu became my freind at HEART I found I had nothing to know any more

Now only I have to complete my rest of the JOURNEY with NAAMu at HEART only.At this stage INTELLECT becomes ZERO and it is only NAAMU NAAMu .....................

With best wishes

Prakash. S. Bagga
 
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Dear Navdeep Ji,

wjkk,wjkf.

You have posed a very important question which is a must for every Sikh to ponder. I have put by heart to understnd the Gurbani in Guru Granth Sahib and am using my intellect to understand the principles enshrined therein to guide my life as per guidelines contained in Gurbani verses. Gurbani is my beacon light and power house to guide my day to day activiites, for every Sikh has been ordained to shape his/her life in the light of Gurbani. So there is no confusion as I am not using my intellect to question by Guru's words which are the decide the parameters of my think tank.
 

Gurmit Singh

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Waheguru jee ka Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh

As I understand, this human body together with its all the components
such as body frame, soul, breath, brain, intellect, mind, is a Divine Gift.
It is our duty to take care of as well as to make use for the wellbeing
of all by obeying the Divine Command.

As soon as baby is conceived in the womb of mother and takes birth,
the law of nature applies as we human beings know nothing how it
grows gradually into childhood, youth, oldage and then expires? The
heart, mind, brain, intellect and other components operate together
spontaneously, though how each component functions, it could only
be known to a Specialist Doctor or Scientist as I have no idea.

It is often heard that so and so has died as a result of "heart failure"
but I don't know the difference between "breath and heart" because
when a person stops breathing, it is called 'dead'.

I am sorry, I have no answer to the point raised by S. Navdeep
Singh Jee or Bibi Navdeep Kaur jee.

Kindly do share when you get the right response from other
Members as this process of learning is very good.

Gurmit Singh (Sydney-Australia)
 
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The points raised by Gurmit Singh Ji seem to have no relevance to the question under discussion.If we talk on the basis of DIVINE GIFT then every creation of the universe is DIVINE GIFT.Out of these gifts HUMAN FORM is an UNIQUE GIFT.To have or not to have FAITH in knowing the CREATOR is a relative consideration in different HUMAN beings and to have right faith in the CREATOR is also a DIVINE GIFT.
I am not crticizing any one but simply presenting my views on certain poits.

Prakash.S.Bagga
 

TKaurG

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Good question Navdeep ji:

That is why I have faith in Waheguru, and I have gotten every thing I wanted and much more than I deserve.

Jagjit Singh
I couldn't agree more 

I think that there rlly isn't anything in sggs ji that contradicts my intellect
The more I understand gurbani the more I love it n am thankful for it
I try to do as much paat as I can..well I do my nitnem n some other banis

There are some things that one cannot rlly describe but only feel which where it comes from the heart

Lol Idk if this was helpful in any kind of way
Bhul chuk maaf

Tanvir:happykudi:
 
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There is infinite INTELLECT and WISDOM of GURU.

SATiGURu is the point of contact and

NAAMu is the pins for connecting

ATTACH NAAAMu on the HEART and connect to SATiGURu and expeirence the flow of INTELLECT and WISDOM

This is the ULTIMATE in FAITH.

Prakash.S.Bagga
 

spnadmin

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The points raised by Gurmit Singh Ji seem to have no relevance to the question under discussion.If we talk on the basis of DIVINE GIFT then every creation of the universe is DIVINE GIFT.Out of these gifts HUMAN FORM is an UNIQUE GIFT.To have or not to have FAITH in knowing the CREATOR is a relative consideration in different HUMAN beings and to have right faith in the CREATOR is also a DIVINE GIFT.
I am not crticizing any one but simply presenting my views on certain poits.

Prakash.S.Bagga

Prakash.S.Bagga ji

I think that Gurmit Singh ji is making a very relevant point. As I understand what he says, faith is very subjective and "components" is a word giving a rational, mechanistic sense to a description of one's feeling of faith. As if one's faith can be analyzed or divided into parts within a whole.

So if one feels a sense of faith that evolves and changes as one goes further into one's devotion, it becomes difficult to think in terms of "components" or parts of one's faith. Faith can be complete at anyone time. The whole of anyone's faith may be so interwoven with intuitions, feeling experiences, intellectual experiences, subjective reactions that it cannot be analyzed. For some, therefore, there are no "components" or parts. Intellect cannot be sorted from feeling. Just as Gurmit ji explains how heart and breath are difficult to separate if you are thinking about living and death.

Hence the title "Components" of Your Faith might seem the wrong way of looking at faith. I must confess that I have this sense. I cannot even with great effort state the "components" of my faith. I can tell you how my faith works, but not the components/parts that make it up. The question is not right for me.
 

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Dear Navdeep
You ask questions fairly, and I'd like to answer a question which is fairly put. In order to answer the question to the best of my ability, I'm going to invite you to a philosophical paradigim.
According to the Western school of thought, it is held that our most familiar ideas about ourselves are rooted in the traditional view that, there is a radical difference between ourselves and the world of natural objects and forces that we inhabit. We have of course always thought of our selves as partly natural: our bodies have always been supposed to belong entirely to the natural world, and sublect to natural laws. Traditionally, however, we ahve always thought of ourselves as of dual nature, with one part - the important part, soul or atma' - transcending the natural world and quite different from it. It is to this part that our thoughts, desires, decisions and actions have traditionally been attributed to.
Using this dichotomy of a human being and interpreting through Sikh Philosophy, we can see that the important component is "karma". If we were to accept the laws of karma then what must flow as a result, is the fact that, I am a Sikh by virtue of being born to my parents, who are Sikhs and I must therefore ordain to the dictates and commands enshrined within Sri Guru Granth Sahig Ji and use my intellect to walk on the path of "truth" in this physical world and keep my spiritual awareness attuned to the "nam" of the house Guru Nanak Dev Ji. All honour, faithfulness, etc...will always remain in place.
Sikhism, in my opinion is a philosophy, a way of life and the religion element is only insofar to express the institutional value. Our Guru's practiced what they preached, shaping it in such a way so as to co-exist in this present day society. To remember work, charity and nam simran is enough to cross the ocean of life and sustain faith.
Let the heart accept that it is by the grace of God that one is born a human and not an animal and that too a Sikh. Let the senses be controlled by the mind and the mind by reason and let the reason be to walk on the path of truth, both intellect and heart will be in complete harmony with Akal Purakh.

More later perhaps.....

Brgds
 

Navdeep88

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Interesting Question, Navdeep ji!
But then I'm always wrestling with it; as I'm something of a 'lay-polymath', with a far reaching knowledge of everything from relativity to quantum chromo dynamics, but I also had a kind of 'epiphany' - I left my Body behind, spoke to God, then returned - and, afterwards, there was a pronounced white streak in my hair that had not been there before.
Perhaps God made that happen because Hirm knew that that was the only way I'd ever be able to convince myself (as many Psychiatrists and Atheist Sceintist would also like to) that the Experience was REAL - rather than just some Halucination; some Lucid Dream; some misfiring of the neurons in my temporal and visual cortices - as Hirm knew that I would know that such things as the transmutation of matter (like removing the melanin protein {which colors the hair} from the colloidal keratin suspension {which hair is}, in order to turn it white, while simultaneously reprogramming the methylation groups in my hair folicules DNA, so that only that small bundle of hairs would continue to grow white for the rest of my days; as only "matter transmutation" - by Miracle, or impossible Star Trek Technology - could account for this happening) were still centuries in our future, if they're possible at all.
This is also why I think Sikhism is a True Belief; as I, too, have, "Walked - though I had no legs; Seen - though I had no eyes......"
Believe! I can assure you, no one snuck up behind me with a bottle of peroxide, while my body was lying on the grass, and my Spirit was traveling about the Local Group!

JimRinX Ji,

You describe a very interesting incident... (actually, its kind of funny because one of my uncles is otherwise completely bald due to hair loss but he still has a single dreadlock which is maybe about a foot long)
Could you elaborate on where this incident led... what further steps, what further advances. id like to know about your faith in progress. Where did this initial incident which opened your eyes, lead your heart?
 

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