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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="Gyani Jarnail Singh" data-source="post: 146045" data-attributes="member: 189"><p>And furthermore you need not worry or be confused becasue the Nitnem on the Fisrt 13 pages of SGGS was REAFFIRMED EXACTLY by GURU GOBIND SINGH JI as it was written ORIGINALLY by Guur Arjun ji Sahib. The SGGS was REAFFIRMED in the Yera 1705...LONG AFTER the Vasakhi of 1699 when Khalsa was Revealed....and YET Guur Gobind Singh Ji DID NOT SEE IT or DEEM IT NECESSARY to make any CHANGES whatsoever to the Original NITNEM and titles of the shabads as in the SGGS.</p><p></p><p>2. Second point of interest is:...The First 13 pages of SGGS Contain various Shabdas from various Raags..and these CLEARLY CHOSEN Shabads are also REPEATED..when their particular Raag is written. ( This means ALL the shabads are in 2 places....FIRST under the Nitnem pages 1-13....and THEN once more in their OWN respective Raags.)</p><p>What this means is that Guru Sahib PICKED OUT these special shabds from the SGGS and placed them together in the Beginning 13 pages of SGGS and put them under the titles of Jap....Sodar Rehrass and Sohila. So theres a PURPOSE behind this segregation..and its NOT random..BUT being placed at the very BEGINNING of SGGS is a clear indication of their Vast IMPORTANCE...Confirmed by Guru Arjun ji and Guru gobind Singh ji.....even after 1699 !!!.</p><p></p><p>3. SGGS is a authentic as we can get...nothing more authentic than our GURU JI.</p><p>However NOT A SINGLE ORIGINAL WRITTEN SOURCE/Hukmanmah/REHATNAMAH agrees on the Banis read/how ceremony was carried out/what happened/who did what at Vasakhi 1699. What is abundantly CLEAR is that Every Single document of 1699 onwards is heavily ADULTERATED/CHANGED/ALTERED to reflect the authors own personal prejudices/thinking. So much so that one writes that the WATER came form AMRITSAR SAROVAR ( and was thus already amrit !!)....others say the water came from the nearby SATLUJ !! Some say GGS used One sided Khanda, others double sided khanda, yet others knife !! One says DIWAN CHAND SAHIB put the Patashas in the "Pahul" ( to make it sweet enough to drink..implying that "Pahul/Amrit" is essentailly TASTELESS ?? This essentially CONTRADICTS GURBANI which describes AMRIT as INTRINSICALLY SWEET as NECTAR/HONEY etc ?? Others say it was Mata JITO..who put the patashas..others say it was Mata SAHIB Kaur !! BUT ALL agree that WITHOUT the Patashas to sweeten it..the amrit would ahve been tasteless !! This is Contradictory to Gurbani. The 1945 SRM was an OBVIOUS COMPROMISE...only TIME will tell whether it can stand the test..BUT FOR NOW..its my passionate pleas as is also the plea by Prof darshan Singh ragi to NOT THROW OUT THE BABY WITH THE BATHWATER !! ALL thsoe making the LOUDEST nosies about "defendign the SRM" have NOT Followed it at all..not the Taksals, not the AKJ, not the DERAS, Not the nanaksarihthaaths...ALL OF THEM have had their own Individual dera/jathedbandi maryadas vastly DIFFERENT form the SRM...But NOW that they have discovered that the SRM is under siege in its HOMEGROUND - Takhats and SGPC Gurdwaras (due to presence of taksalis, Nanksarihs, and akj trained granthis jathedars in power)...its advantageous to CRY WOLF..whenever Forward thinking Sikhs even think of changing any parts of SRM that are obviously WRONG/In Conflict with SGGS - like on Raagmala, Manglacharans position/Nitnem banis outside SGGS etc etc.. They WANT the Stataus Quo to remain for so long as the crippled SRM is in place..their own Maryadas can carry on !!!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gyani Jarnail Singh, post: 146045, member: 189"] And furthermore you need not worry or be confused becasue the Nitnem on the Fisrt 13 pages of SGGS was REAFFIRMED EXACTLY by GURU GOBIND SINGH JI as it was written ORIGINALLY by Guur Arjun ji Sahib. The SGGS was REAFFIRMED in the Yera 1705...LONG AFTER the Vasakhi of 1699 when Khalsa was Revealed....and YET Guur Gobind Singh Ji DID NOT SEE IT or DEEM IT NECESSARY to make any CHANGES whatsoever to the Original NITNEM and titles of the shabads as in the SGGS. 2. Second point of interest is:...The First 13 pages of SGGS Contain various Shabdas from various Raags..and these CLEARLY CHOSEN Shabads are also REPEATED..when their particular Raag is written. ( This means ALL the shabads are in 2 places....FIRST under the Nitnem pages 1-13....and THEN once more in their OWN respective Raags.) What this means is that Guru Sahib PICKED OUT these special shabds from the SGGS and placed them together in the Beginning 13 pages of SGGS and put them under the titles of Jap....Sodar Rehrass and Sohila. So theres a PURPOSE behind this segregation..and its NOT random..BUT being placed at the very BEGINNING of SGGS is a clear indication of their Vast IMPORTANCE...Confirmed by Guru Arjun ji and Guru gobind Singh ji.....even after 1699 !!!. 3. SGGS is a authentic as we can get...nothing more authentic than our GURU JI. However NOT A SINGLE ORIGINAL WRITTEN SOURCE/Hukmanmah/REHATNAMAH agrees on the Banis read/how ceremony was carried out/what happened/who did what at Vasakhi 1699. What is abundantly CLEAR is that Every Single document of 1699 onwards is heavily ADULTERATED/CHANGED/ALTERED to reflect the authors own personal prejudices/thinking. So much so that one writes that the WATER came form AMRITSAR SAROVAR ( and was thus already amrit !!)....others say the water came from the nearby SATLUJ !! Some say GGS used One sided Khanda, others double sided khanda, yet others knife !! One says DIWAN CHAND SAHIB put the Patashas in the "Pahul" ( to make it sweet enough to drink..implying that "Pahul/Amrit" is essentailly TASTELESS ?? This essentially CONTRADICTS GURBANI which describes AMRIT as INTRINSICALLY SWEET as NECTAR/HONEY etc ?? Others say it was Mata JITO..who put the patashas..others say it was Mata SAHIB Kaur !! BUT ALL agree that WITHOUT the Patashas to sweeten it..the amrit would ahve been tasteless !! This is Contradictory to Gurbani. The 1945 SRM was an OBVIOUS COMPROMISE...only TIME will tell whether it can stand the test..BUT FOR NOW..its my passionate pleas as is also the plea by Prof darshan Singh ragi to NOT THROW OUT THE BABY WITH THE BATHWATER !! ALL thsoe making the LOUDEST nosies about "defendign the SRM" have NOT Followed it at all..not the Taksals, not the AKJ, not the DERAS, Not the nanaksarihthaaths...ALL OF THEM have had their own Individual dera/jathedbandi maryadas vastly DIFFERENT form the SRM...But NOW that they have discovered that the SRM is under siege in its HOMEGROUND - Takhats and SGPC Gurdwaras (due to presence of taksalis, Nanksarihs, and akj trained granthis jathedars in power)...its advantageous to CRY WOLF..whenever Forward thinking Sikhs even think of changing any parts of SRM that are obviously WRONG/In Conflict with SGGS - like on Raagmala, Manglacharans position/Nitnem banis outside SGGS etc etc.. They WANT the Stataus Quo to remain for so long as the crippled SRM is in place..their own Maryadas can carry on !!! [/QUOTE]
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