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Charitter 301--Tale of Isht Mati -comments deleted due to inflammatory language

There used to be a city called ishtwati and icha sen was it's raja.isht mati was his wife.Isht devka was his daughter.
Ajai sen , the son of a kashatri came to the house of the lady.
The rani was so enticed sexually that she fell flat as if stabbed by a dagger.
The rani had a few eunachs , the rani sent them to him.
They apprehended him and brought him where the lady was waiting for him

The rani had sex with him, and they lay on the bed to make love again and again.

when the raja came he saw them,and wanted to join in.

The woman got up briskly, felt anxiety and threw her scarf on the rajas face!
by the time the raja took the scarf off, her lover had absconded.....

The raja looks for him, and he cannot find him, asks the rani, who says, first you pardon me and then I will tell you how we had sex,you give your assurance,and i will tell you only and reveal the truth.

Now someone like a Jangveer Sinh GO MOL from Kuala lumpur < says that these stories are told to Sikhs by the Guru to make sikhs aware of the traps women lay!!!Some male chauvinism- at it's peak!



Is this what the Guru Ji was teaching the sikhs?In other words, Gurbani is not relevant because according to such reasoning or rationale.Are some people only justifying the existence of the dum dum only wants satisfy their own dirty deeds, with evidence from comments deleted due to inflammatory language
to support or back up for justification ?
 

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charitter 240 -Tale of Ruch Raaj Kumari

DOHIRA-
in the country of kalinjer there llived a raja called Bishan Rai.The name of the rani was Ruch raaj kumari, she had a sexy beautiful body and features.

Chaupaee
He had seven ranis too and he loved them all intensively.He used to call them in turn to make love, hugging and kissing

But Ruch raaj kumari always felt apathetic

She contemplated in her mind to terminate all the other ranis.

Arril

First she enhanced her love with all the ranis so much so the raja was pleased too.

He praised her and appreciated that, even in this age of kalyug, she loved the co wives

She built a straw cottage at the banks of the river and told the co wives..."listen my friends we will all go there together and will collectively revel in sex!

She persuaded the co wives to come to the cottage, and sent a messenger to the raja.

"oh my dear raja/master please you come here and rejoice with us by making love and sex"

she brought all the other wives and maids into the cottage and then shut the doors and sets it on fire and then runs to the raja and says your house is burning and you are sitting here.Nothing can be saved now.

She then laments to the raja , to how irresponsible he was..and the wives have burned out!
later she revels in making love with him./

QUESTION>

can anyone tell me what is there to learn from this?Is this Gurbani-teachings of the revealed messages from God through the Sikh Gurus ?
What can Guru Gobind Singh ji achieved by writing such silly little stories for sikhs?

WHAT would Sikhs learn from such filthy porno stories?This the path that when read at hazoor sahib the speakers are turned off......WHY is it turned off??because they are ashamed to share with the world .yet they cannot throw this out as they claim it is gurus "bani".Is this really bani??This and other stories are copied from a MARKANDIYE PURAN AND TWO OTHER BOOKS, VISMAD AND SRI MAD PURAN...and someone mixed them up into the collection, and another fool simply binded into a book!!Is this hard to comprehend?
 

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The following charitter is 214 from comments deleted due to inflammatory language


Did Guru Gobind Singh really have time to write such rubbish?
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They have been lying about their book.What they dont tell you is what is really in the comments deleted due to inflammatory language


Forty point 6 % [40 .6 %]of this book is about porno stories and porno folklore.

I will take a random page and share the real contents of this false book.

Let us look at Chriter 214.This is the tale of Gulzaar Mati.I translated the charitter[ potraited stories] into English from Punjabi.

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The country in which Chandi City was situated was very enlightened.Bishan Ket Raja used to live there, he always performed righteous penance and prayers.

Bandhel Mati was his wife, and she always accompanied the Raja.She had a daughter, Gulzaar Mati, no one in the world was as pretty as she.

DOHIRA

she saw a man whose handsomeness was unsurpassable.
She called him over her house and blissfully made love with him

Chaupaee

She enjoyed by kissing and cuddling and disregarded all her household.
Everyday she would indulge in love making and relish hugging

DOHIRA

Both the woman and the man enhanced their love
Looking at each others's faces , they involved the various postures/positions of love making.

Chaupaee

Although she made love day and night, she was scared of her parents.She asked her lover to take her away with him!

It goes on with similar nonsensical story..and ends again in Dohira

Primarily,she indulged in sex with the paramour and then came back...the secret was not indulged to the raja why she came back after running off with her lover and enjoying sex in various positions!

THIS IS ONE more EXAMPLE OF the charitter pakhyan in the so called comments deleted due to inflammatory language

Now can anyone honestly tell me that Guru Gobind Singh ji wrote such rubbish for sikhs ?
 

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Chanji

I am all up for debate, but feel there is no need for us to inflame or provoke those that believe in the Dasam Granth.
 

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It is virtually impossible NOT to inflame believers in Dasam Granth. I wish I could see what Chan ji posted because sometimes I need a brain teaser.

Many of the mods and admin here have been flayed publicly on other Internet sites for taking a very critical view of the Charitars, to include the idea that they must be read as deeply spiritual in order to be fully appreciated. We however let all of that slide like water off a duck's back because our ego's are not invested in a second granth.

What Chan ji has alluded to here has already been demonstrated to be poorly reconstructed poesie taken from Punjabi folklore, and YES those were stories designed to titillate the beast within.
 

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I am sorry, the mere fact we discuss these charitters is a "provocation to the blind beleivers, and those with agenda about this satanic book!"


However, it is NO PROVOCATION to use it to challenge the SEAT of the GURU GRANTH SAHIB or mislead people with false porno stories and mythology.I think we have failed Guru Granth sahib and ourselves.Period.


What is the definition of ".....include the idea that they must be read as deeply spiritual in order to be fully appreciated"

In other words?Only beleivers can read deeply spiritually and others cannot???This is the most pathetic rationale i have ever come across in the literary world.

It may also mean, one is seeking approval for their own beleifs and actions through these stories taken from other languages and transliterated into Punjabi.

Could such stories not have been planted later by those who binded the book, and later allegded that thesew ere in collection of Bhai Mani Singh!!!
 

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I am sorry, the mere fact we discuss these charitters is a "provocation to the blind beleivers, and those with agenda about this satanic book!"


However, it is NO PROVOCATION to use it to challenge the SEAT of the GURU GRANTH SAHIB or mislead people with false porno stories and mythology.I think we have failed Guru Granth sahib and ourselves.Period.


What is the definition of ".....include the idea that they must be read as deeply spiritual in order to be fully appreciated"

In other words?Only beleivers can read deeply spiritually and others cannot???This is the most pathetic rationale i have ever come across in the literary world.

It may also mean, one is seeking approval for their own beleifs and actions through these stories taken from other languages and transliterated into Punjabi.

Could such stories not have been planted later by those who binded the book, and later allegded that thesew ere in collection of Bhai Mani Singh!!!
Chanji,

Whilst I agree with your post, I feel that the more people kick and scream about it, the more we give publicity to the DG. If there are those that wish to raise it to whatever level they wish to, good luck to them.

We have Sikhs that believe in a living Guru, Sikhs that believe in Hindu ritual, and Sikhs that believe there was a second, and possibly third Granth, know what? Good luck to them all!

all I will say on the matter is that any reasonable person would be unable to read some of the content without asking some very serious questions.

For those that disagree, well its your life and your choice, and every person has the right to follow whatever path they choose, that is the very essence of Sikhism, I think.

Personally, although I admire your resolve, its material that we have all read many many times before, I do not object to the content, I do not object to your points, just the way in which it has been written, the mocking and abusive tone does nothing to further sensible debate or even put forth a good argument, it seems to be written to raise hackles.....
 

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We have Jaap Sahib, Tav-Prasad Savaiye, and Benti Chaupi as part of Nitnem Sahib and are from DG. So don't say the whole DG is full of rubbish it iswrong to say that.

In my Opinion, I will say that Guru Gobind Singh Ji did write some parts of the DG, but not all of it. Charitropakhyan is a perfect example used by many to say other poets have had to written this and could not possibly be written by Guru Ji himself since it was irrelevant to Sikh scriptures.

We have the Guru Granth Sahib? Why are you wasting your time complaining about the Dasam Granth? Don't entangle yourself with those fools who follow the DG.
 

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We have Jaap Sahib, Tav-Prasad Savaiye, and Benti Chaupi as part of Nitnem Sahib and are from DG. So don't say the whole DG is full of rubbish it iswrong to say that.

In my Opinion, I will say that Guru Gobind Singh Ji did write some parts of the DG, but not all of it. Charitropakhyan is a perfect example used by many to say other poets have had to written this and could not possibly be written by Guru Ji himself since it was irrelevant to Sikh scriptures.

We have the Guru Granth Sahib? Why are you wasting your time complaining about the Dasam Granth? Don't entangle yourself with those fools who follow the DG.


Looks like you do NOT read properly .The three are copied from rehatnamas that existed before the satanic dg rubbish was ever planted among the sikhs.

If indeed we have the Guru Granth sahib ...why are you defending the satanic DG at all?

I am not entagled with fools that beleive the brahminist books and copies made from copies...What Guru Gobind Singh ji wrote is NOT and was not in teh DG, untill waht he wrote was copied into the Dg from teh rehtanamas, where these banis are to be found originally!

I did not start to seat the dg with Guru Granth sahib, I challenge those who indulge into this statanic practice and preach the false dg.

Guru Nanak Ji clearly says Sunniye prriye vichariye....hello remeber that???By the opinions are many, but most do not have evidence to back up.You can says what you like...but with no evidence...it amounts to zero.Liek we have had someone simply repaeting what has been said and then deabting over 1937 from Burma, but forgetting in 1937 apart from Burma others too wrote in fron Fiji, Malaya etc.It simply makes no sesne, as history is measured by proepr dates and factal evidence.

The DG was not written by the Guru sahib.It content was collected from here and there....and looks like someone binded the lot into the satanic book dg.Like the cpies from sri marakandiye, srimad and vismaad, copies were also stolen or taken from rehtanamas late rincluded into the dg!

There are more such porno stroies that I am translating and will share.
 

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Looks like you do NOT read properly .The three are copied from rehatnamas that existed before the satanic dg rubbish was ever planted among the sikhs.

If indeed we have the Guru Granth sahib ...why are you defending the satanic DG at all?

I am not entagled with fools that beleive the brahminist books and copies made from copies...What Guru Gobind Singh ji wrote is NOT and was not in teh DG, untill waht he wrote was copied into the Dg from teh rehtanamas, where these banis are to be found originally!

I did not start to seat the dg with Guru Granth sahib, I challenge those who indulge into this statanic practice and preach the false dg.

Guru Nanak Ji clearly says Sunniye prriye vichariye....hello remeber that???By the opinions are many, but most do not have evidence to back up.You can says what you like...but with no evidence...it amounts to zero.Liek we have had someone simply repaeting what has been said and then deabting over 1937 from Burma, but forgetting in 1937 apart from Burma others too wrote in fron Fiji, Malaya etc.It simply makes no sesne, as history is measured by proepr dates and factal evidence.

The DG was not written by the Guru sahib.It content was collected from here and there....and looks like someone binded the lot into the satanic book dg.Like the cpies from sri marakandiye, srimad and vismaad, copies were also stolen or taken from rehtanamas late rincluded into the dg!

There are more such porno stroies that I am translating and will share.
So the whole point your trying to make is that we shouldn't recognize the dasam granth?
 

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tell me one good reason to recognise falsehood.The suraj parkash also calls for recognistion as it was widelky read in the Gurduaras up until 30 years ago.

Anothe rhalf a dozen book raning from sarbaloh to ...gurbilas 6 , 10 vi....bansawali 10vi paatshahi to mihima parkash calls for recognistion.All claim honest Guru works and stories!!

Guru nanak bans parkash to panth parkash Singh sager..to Guru sobha and many more I can name ..all claim are geniune history of sikhs and Gurus...and in mahima parkash and sarbaloh many writings are cliamed to be Gurus, whehn history clearly points to much of it copied from...various otehr sanskritic granths!

Asking me, we should or not..is irelevant....tell me why should these copied rachnas and subsequently added and copied from even rehatnams..suddenly become Gurus works??

So, I copy einstein's works and darwins and present as my work...becomes my work????

So the Guru had no originality but to copy from others....and contradict himself with Gurbani...is that what is inferred?
 

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So the Guru had no originality but to copy from others....and contradict himself with Gurbani...is that what is inferred?
yes, it is, and to be honest, in my opinion it is like arguing that the earth is round, I personally would not waste my time arguing the point, it is not the point that needs to be argued but the litmus testing ability...
 

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yes, it is, and to be honest, in my opinion it is like arguing that the earth is round, I personally would not waste my time arguing the point, it is not the point that needs to be argued but the litmus testing ability...
That is a little high, comming after wasting a few mails on this...litmus paper or no litmus..., people are abusing the SEAT of the GURU GRANTH SAHIB with a satanic porno stories book...parralled to the GURU.

No litmus, or litmus paper...the abuse is on!That is the point, not my opinion or your opinion-that matters, nor the test--The what matters is the abuse!
Are you suggesting that we sit and carry on?This is a free world, dont waste if you opine so,...others may not agree...that is their perogative rightly!

When the abuse is on,against the Guru Ji,... the opossition will come to enlighten and share against that opposition and gather ....the understanding so that venom spitting is not in riddles;nor it simply walks away as there is no litmus!This is not a science lab..... .Simple, not rocket sceince!But..think..before saying anything more...wanna waste your time?
Dont!
 

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And aside from scolding and chastising the choir, what strategies can you suggest for combating the challenge to Guru Sahib's central position?
 
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What seems to be happening on the thread, to me at least:

Several members are in agreement that: a) the Charittar 301 is not from the pen of Guru Gobind Singh ji; b) that it falls to a base level and insults the Sikh Gurus; c) that claiming the Charittar has any authenticity, like all or most of Dasam Granth, invites insult to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Yet, these same members have been arguing with one another. The arguments seem more about the correct way to express these views, or whether any negative view of the Charittar and/or DG should be expressed at all.

Come on guys! For any controversial topic there can be more than one reason to reject something obnoxious. And, we don't have to express our rejection in exactly the same way.

This is how conscientious Sikhs, who protest the way power figures in the Punjab have subverted the message of Guru Nanak, have been sinking their own boat. The opposition, which is organized and unified, observes this and smirks.

Or is it a case of the old adage, "When 2 Sikhs disagree, there are at least 3 points of view under the scanner?" No! Because there is more agreement here than appears at first blush. Let's move the thread in a more positive direction.

 

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That is a little high, comming after wasting a few mails on this...litmus paper or no litmus..., people are abusing the SEAT of the GURU GRANTH SAHIB with a satanic porno stories book...parralled to the GURU.
well making fun of them isn't really going to help, as my sis says, what can we do about it? My own feeling is if someone wants to give weight to the DG, then that is up to them, in the same way that if someone wants to shove huge amounts of coke up their nose, that is also their business, in the end, consonance is a great leveller, the trouble is your not talking about a few misinformed people here, your talking about a lot of people on a subject that has split the panth, and that has to be dealt with tactfully and calmly, using reasoned debate and logic.

No litmus, or litmus paper...the abuse is on!That is the point, not my opinion or your opinion-that matters, nor the test--The what matters is the abuse!
I don't know Creator, but I like to think I have a angle on the basics, Creator is big enough to sort itself out, I think we should spend more time on abuse on Creation, I think that before we start defending Creator and worrying about the feelings of Creator, what we should actually be doing is focusing on the abuse to Creation, when women are not being raped, and children are not starving, when there is no more war, famine, when the old beggar has a warm bed every night, I might consider addressing this issue.

Are you suggesting that we sit and carry on?This is a free world, dont waste if you opine so,...others may not agree...that is their perogative rightly!
every ounce of energy you waste on changing the minds of people, you are neglecting Creation, surely Hukam, consonance, sorts everything out in the end, its not my battle, time and energy are precious, I would not consider wasting my breath on those who believe that certain stories were written by the tenth master, how can this be reasoned with in any way?

When the abuse is on,against the Guru Ji,... the opossition will come to enlighten and share against that opposition and gather ....the understanding so that venom spitting is not in riddles;nor it simply walks away as there is no litmus!This is not a science lab..... .Simple, not rocket sceince!But..think..before saying anything more...wanna waste your time?
Dont!
I am sorry, I do not find venom spitting consistent with what I believe to be Sikhism
 

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Please send me a private message if you want details to why I closed the thread. In short it seems to me that the right to express a point of view, in this particular thread, consists of several one-way streets. I did try to divert the flow.
 
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