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Can God And Ego Co-exist?
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<blockquote data-quote="spnadmin" data-source="post: 176422" data-attributes="member: 35"><p>Sorry, for posting again. This tuk seems to answer the question of the thread.</p><p></p><p>ਹਉਮੈ ਨਾਵੈ ਨਾਲਿ ਵਿਰੋਧੁ ਹੈ ਦੁਇ ਨ ਵਸਹਿ ਇਕ ਠਾਇ ॥: Houmai naavai naal virodh hai due na vasahi ik thaae: Ego is opposed to the Divine Name; the two cannot coexist (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 560) as quoted in gurbani.org</p><p></p><p>But it is an answer only if you agree that Houmai/haumei and Ego are the same thing. Full shabad gives a different idea of things (translation of Manmohan Singh)</p><p></p><p></p><p>ਵਡਹੰਸੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੩ ॥</p><p>वडहंसु महला ३ ॥</p><p>vad▫hans mėhlā 3.</p><p>Wadhans 3rd Guru.</p><p></p><p>ਹਉਮੈ ਨਾਵੈ ਨਾਲਿ ਵਿਰੋਧੁ ਹੈ ਦੁਇ ਨ ਵਸਹਿ ਇਕ ਠਾਇ ॥</p><p>हउमै नावै नालि विरोधु है दुइ न वसहि इक ठाइ ॥</p><p>Ha▫umai nāvai nāl viroḏẖ hai ḏu▫e na vasėh ik ṯẖā▫e.</p><p>Ego is at variance with the Name: the two dwell not in one place.</p><p></p><p>ਹਉਮੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਸੇਵਾ ਨ ਹੋਵਈ ਤਾ ਮਨੁ ਬਿਰਥਾ ਜਾਇ ॥੧॥</p><p>हउमै विचि सेवा न होवई ता मनु बिरथा जाइ ॥१॥</p><p>Ha▫umai vicẖ sevā na hova▫ī ṯā man birthā jā▫e. ||1||</p><p>In ego, service cannot be performed so the soul goes empty handed.</p><p></p><p>ਹਰਿ ਚੇਤਿ ਮਨ ਮੇਰੇ ਤੂ ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਮਾਇ ॥</p><p>हरि चेति मन मेरे तू गुर का सबदु कमाइ ॥</p><p>Har cẖeṯ man mere ṯū gur kā sabaḏ kamā▫e.</p><p>O my soul, meditate thou on God and practise thou the Guru's word.</p><p></p><p>ਹੁਕਮੁ ਮੰਨਹਿ ਤਾ ਹਰਿ ਮਿਲੈ ਤਾ ਵਿਚਹੁ ਹਉਮੈ ਜਾਇ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥</p><p>हुकमु मंनहि ता हरि मिलै ता विचहु हउमै जाइ ॥ रहाउ ॥</p><p>Hukam manėh ṯā har milai ṯā vicẖahu ha▫umai jā▫e. Rahā▫o.</p><p>If thou obey God's order, then Shalt thou meet Him and then alone, ego shall depart from within thee. Pause.</p><p></p><p>ਹਉਮੈ ਸਭੁ ਸਰੀਰੁ ਹੈ ਹਉਮੈ ਓਪਤਿ ਹੋਇ ॥</p><p>हउमै सभु सरीरु है हउमै ओपति होइ ॥</p><p>Ha▫umai sabẖ sarīr hai ha▫umai opaṯ ho▫e.</p><p>Ego is within all the bodies. Through pride the beings are born.</p><p></p><p>ਹਉਮੈ ਵਡਾ ਗੁਬਾਰੁ ਹੈ ਹਉਮੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਬੁਝਿ ਨ ਸਕੈ ਕੋਇ ॥੨॥</p><p>हउमै वडा गुबारु है हउमै विचि बुझि न सकै कोइ ॥२॥</p><p>Ha▫umai vadā gubār hai ha▫umai vicẖ bujẖ na sakai ko▫e. ||2||</p><p>Egotism leads to pitch darkness and in egotism none can understand anything.</p><p></p><p>ਹਉਮੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਭਗਤਿ ਨ ਹੋਵਈ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਨ ਬੁਝਿਆ ਜਾਇ ॥</p><p>हउमै विचि भगति न होवई हुकमु न बुझिआ जाइ ॥</p><p>Ha▫umai vicẖ bẖagaṯ na hova▫ī hukam na bujẖi▫ā jā▫e.</p><p>In self-conceit Lord's devotional service cannot be performed, no, can His will be realised.</p><p></p><p>ਹਉਮੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਜੀਉ ਬੰਧੁ ਹੈ ਨਾਮੁ ਨ ਵਸੈ ਮਨਿ ਆਇ ॥੩॥</p><p>हउमै विचि जीउ बंधु है नामु न वसै मनि आइ ॥३॥</p><p>Ha▫umai vicẖ jī▫o banḏẖ hai nām na vasai man ā▫e. ||3||</p><p>In ego, the soul if imprisoned and the Name comes not to abide in the mind.</p><p></p><p>ਨਾਨਕ ਸਤਗੁਰਿ ਮਿਲਿਐ ਹਉਮੈ ਗਈ ਤਾ ਸਚੁ ਵਸਿਆ ਮਨਿ ਆਇ ॥</p><p>नानक सतगुरि मिलिऐ हउमै गई ता सचु वसिआ मनि आइ ॥</p><p>Nānak saṯgur mili▫ai ha▫umai ga▫ī ṯā sacẖ vasi▫ā man ā▫e.</p><p>Nanak, meeting with the True Guru, man's ego is destroyed and the true Lord comes to dwell within his mind, then.</p><p></p><p>ਸਚੁ ਕਮਾਵੈ ਸਚਿ ਰਹੈ ਸਚੇ ਸੇਵਿ ਸਮਾਇ ॥੪॥੯॥੧੨॥</p><p>सचु कमावै सचि रहै सचे सेवि समाइ ॥४॥९॥१२॥</p><p>Sacẖ kamāvai sacẖ rahai sacẖe sev samā▫e. ||4||9||12||</p><p>He practises truth, abides in truth and by serving the True one gets absorbed in him</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="spnadmin, post: 176422, member: 35"] Sorry, for posting again. This tuk seems to answer the question of the thread. ਹਉਮੈ ਨਾਵੈ ਨਾਲਿ ਵਿਰੋਧੁ ਹੈ ਦੁਇ ਨ ਵਸਹਿ ਇਕ ਠਾਇ ॥: Houmai naavai naal virodh hai due na vasahi ik thaae: Ego is opposed to the Divine Name; the two cannot coexist (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 560) as quoted in gurbani.org But it is an answer only if you agree that Houmai/haumei and Ego are the same thing. Full shabad gives a different idea of things (translation of Manmohan Singh) ਵਡਹੰਸੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੩ ॥ वडहंसु महला ३ ॥ vad▫hans mėhlā 3. Wadhans 3rd Guru. ਹਉਮੈ ਨਾਵੈ ਨਾਲਿ ਵਿਰੋਧੁ ਹੈ ਦੁਇ ਨ ਵਸਹਿ ਇਕ ਠਾਇ ॥ हउमै नावै नालि विरोधु है दुइ न वसहि इक ठाइ ॥ Ha▫umai nāvai nāl viroḏẖ hai ḏu▫e na vasėh ik ṯẖā▫e. Ego is at variance with the Name: the two dwell not in one place. ਹਉਮੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਸੇਵਾ ਨ ਹੋਵਈ ਤਾ ਮਨੁ ਬਿਰਥਾ ਜਾਇ ॥੧॥ हउमै विचि सेवा न होवई ता मनु बिरथा जाइ ॥१॥ Ha▫umai vicẖ sevā na hova▫ī ṯā man birthā jā▫e. ||1|| In ego, service cannot be performed so the soul goes empty handed. ਹਰਿ ਚੇਤਿ ਮਨ ਮੇਰੇ ਤੂ ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਮਾਇ ॥ हरि चेति मन मेरे तू गुर का सबदु कमाइ ॥ Har cẖeṯ man mere ṯū gur kā sabaḏ kamā▫e. O my soul, meditate thou on God and practise thou the Guru's word. ਹੁਕਮੁ ਮੰਨਹਿ ਤਾ ਹਰਿ ਮਿਲੈ ਤਾ ਵਿਚਹੁ ਹਉਮੈ ਜਾਇ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ हुकमु मंनहि ता हरि मिलै ता विचहु हउमै जाइ ॥ रहाउ ॥ Hukam manėh ṯā har milai ṯā vicẖahu ha▫umai jā▫e. Rahā▫o. If thou obey God's order, then Shalt thou meet Him and then alone, ego shall depart from within thee. Pause. ਹਉਮੈ ਸਭੁ ਸਰੀਰੁ ਹੈ ਹਉਮੈ ਓਪਤਿ ਹੋਇ ॥ हउमै सभु सरीरु है हउमै ओपति होइ ॥ Ha▫umai sabẖ sarīr hai ha▫umai opaṯ ho▫e. Ego is within all the bodies. Through pride the beings are born. ਹਉਮੈ ਵਡਾ ਗੁਬਾਰੁ ਹੈ ਹਉਮੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਬੁਝਿ ਨ ਸਕੈ ਕੋਇ ॥੨॥ हउमै वडा गुबारु है हउमै विचि बुझि न सकै कोइ ॥२॥ Ha▫umai vadā gubār hai ha▫umai vicẖ bujẖ na sakai ko▫e. ||2|| Egotism leads to pitch darkness and in egotism none can understand anything. ਹਉਮੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਭਗਤਿ ਨ ਹੋਵਈ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਨ ਬੁਝਿਆ ਜਾਇ ॥ हउमै विचि भगति न होवई हुकमु न बुझिआ जाइ ॥ Ha▫umai vicẖ bẖagaṯ na hova▫ī hukam na bujẖi▫ā jā▫e. In self-conceit Lord's devotional service cannot be performed, no, can His will be realised. ਹਉਮੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਜੀਉ ਬੰਧੁ ਹੈ ਨਾਮੁ ਨ ਵਸੈ ਮਨਿ ਆਇ ॥੩॥ हउमै विचि जीउ बंधु है नामु न वसै मनि आइ ॥३॥ Ha▫umai vicẖ jī▫o banḏẖ hai nām na vasai man ā▫e. ||3|| In ego, the soul if imprisoned and the Name comes not to abide in the mind. ਨਾਨਕ ਸਤਗੁਰਿ ਮਿਲਿਐ ਹਉਮੈ ਗਈ ਤਾ ਸਚੁ ਵਸਿਆ ਮਨਿ ਆਇ ॥ नानक सतगुरि मिलिऐ हउमै गई ता सचु वसिआ मनि आइ ॥ Nānak saṯgur mili▫ai ha▫umai ga▫ī ṯā sacẖ vasi▫ā man ā▫e. Nanak, meeting with the True Guru, man's ego is destroyed and the true Lord comes to dwell within his mind, then. ਸਚੁ ਕਮਾਵੈ ਸਚਿ ਰਹੈ ਸਚੇ ਸੇਵਿ ਸਮਾਇ ॥੪॥੯॥੧੨॥ सचु कमावै सचि रहै सचे सेवि समाइ ॥४॥९॥१२॥ Sacẖ kamāvai sacẖ rahai sacẖe sev samā▫e. ||4||9||12|| He practises truth, abides in truth and by serving the True one gets absorbed in him [/QUOTE]
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