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Booklet On Chandi Charitar (Shahbaz Khalsa), Reply To Issues By Dalbeer Singh Ji
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<blockquote data-quote="vijaydeep Singh" data-source="post: 106790" data-attributes="member: 313"><p><strong>Re: Booklet on Chandi Charitar(Shahbaz Khalsa), Reply to issues by Dalbeer Singh Ji</strong></p><p></p><p>Gurfateh</p><p></p><p></p><p>Dear Singh Sahib,</p><p></p><p>Truth at start, Truth at Ages, Truth is and Oh Nanak, Truth will always be. That is Akal.</p><p></p><p>When das says that Akal was our Guru at one point of Time, that does not means that Akal is not our Guru at present or will not be our Guru in future. </p><p></p><p>Vitandana is work of Nayaydarshi Brahmins, where they take partial truth and try to bring is against the whole Truth. So Akal is our Guru still. Akal is Guru to all Before any text came, and after the text also. No text is eternal but Akal is eternal.</p><p></p><p>So if das says that Akal was Guru in past also, that will never mean that Akal was Guru in Past only.</p><p></p><p>Regarding the proofs. Well In Vachitar Natak Sahib Chapter 6, read it and do not go by tranlation, if yourself find some doubts than das could help you. So see the Charrtrpakhyan Sahib 1, Line 3, verse 3,verse 46.</p><p></p><p>Likewise Ram, Shyam and Kal are name of God. For that read Akal Ustat Sahib and First Chapter of Chaubees Avtar.</p><p></p><p>There is an other question, why there is no mention of word Nanak, when Tenth Master gave us guidance to deem Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as our living Guru. Some thing like Mahala and then 10, the says Nanak, Behold Granth as Guru ?</p><p></p><p>And some more things.</p><p></p><p></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE" target="_blank">ਰਾਮ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਨਾਮੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%B0" target="_blank">ਉਰ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਮੈ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%93" target="_blank">ਗਹਿਓ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਜਾ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਕੈ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%AE" target="_blank">ਸਮ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਨਹੀ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%87" target="_blank">ਕੋਇ </a> ॥</span></span></span> </p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #008080">राम नामु उर मै गहिओ जा कै सम नही कोइ ॥</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Rām nām ur mai gahi▫o jā kai sam nahī ko▫e.</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">I have enshrined the Lord's Name within my heart; there is nothing equal to it.</span></span></span> </p><p></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B9" target="_blank">ਜਿਹ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A4" target="_blank">ਸਿਮਰਤ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%9F" target="_blank">ਸੰਕਟ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%9F%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਮਿਟੈ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਦਰਸੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank">ਤੁਹਾਰੋ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%87" target="_blank">ਹੋਇ </a> ॥੫੭॥੧॥</span></span></span> </p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #008080">जिह सिमरत संकट मिटै दरसु तुहारो होइ ॥५७॥१॥</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Jih simraṯ sankat mitai ḏaras ṯuhāro ho▫e. ||57||1||</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">Meditating in remembrance on it, my troubles are taken away; I have received the Blessed Vision of Your Darshan. ||57||1||</span></span></span> </p><p>(Ang 1429)</p><p></p><p>And then another verse at the same Ang</p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਤਰਸੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%86" target="_blank">ਪਇਆ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਮਿਹਰਾਮਤਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%88" target="_blank">ਹੋਈ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%A3%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਸਜਣੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86" target="_blank">ਮਿਲਿਆ </a> ॥</span></span></span> </p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #008080">तरसु पइआ मिहरामति होई सतिगुरु सजणु मिलिआ ॥</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Ŧaras pa▫i▫ā mihrāmaṯ ho▫ī saṯgur sajaṇ mili▫ā.</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">You took pity on me, and blessed me with Your Mercy, and I have met the True Guru, my Friend.</span></span></span> </p><p></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%95" target="_blank">ਨਾਨਕ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਨਾਮੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਮਿਲੈ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%82" target="_blank">ਤਾਂ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%82" target="_blank">ਜੀਵਾਂ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਤਨੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਮਨੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A5%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%B5%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਥੀਵੈ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86" target="_blank">ਹਰਿਆ </a> ॥੧॥</span></span></span> </p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #008080">नानक नामु मिलै तां जीवां तनु मनु थीवै हरिआ ॥१॥</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Nānak nām milai ṯāʼn jīvāʼn ṯan man thīvai hari▫ā. ||1||</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">O Nanak, if I am blessed with the Naam, I live, and my body and mind blossom forth. ||1||</span></span></span> </p><p></p><p>Ang 1429</p><p></p><p>So question is that why term Ram comes and not Nanak on the latest verse of Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ?</p><p></p><p>Is Akal a student of 2 year missionary course conduct by atheist that should follow some rule and not start some unique thing, in unique faith of Sikhs that Akal will assume a poet to give direct verse to the followers of self ?</p><p></p><p>Akal Bless and Thanks a lot for giving an opportunity to sing the praise of Akal. Vide yourself does Akal makes das to sing the glory of Akal.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="vijaydeep Singh, post: 106790, member: 313"] [b]Re: Booklet on Chandi Charitar(Shahbaz Khalsa), Reply to issues by Dalbeer Singh Ji[/b] Gurfateh Dear Singh Sahib, Truth at start, Truth at Ages, Truth is and Oh Nanak, Truth will always be. That is Akal. When das says that Akal was our Guru at one point of Time, that does not means that Akal is not our Guru at present or will not be our Guru in future. Vitandana is work of Nayaydarshi Brahmins, where they take partial truth and try to bring is against the whole Truth. So Akal is our Guru still. Akal is Guru to all Before any text came, and after the text also. No text is eternal but Akal is eternal. So if das says that Akal was Guru in past also, that will never mean that Akal was Guru in Past only. Regarding the proofs. Well In Vachitar Natak Sahib Chapter 6, read it and do not go by tranlation, if yourself find some doubts than das could help you. So see the Charrtrpakhyan Sahib 1, Line 3, verse 3,verse 46. Likewise Ram, Shyam and Kal are name of God. For that read Akal Ustat Sahib and First Chapter of Chaubees Avtar. There is an other question, why there is no mention of word Nanak, when Tenth Master gave us guidance to deem Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as our living Guru. Some thing like Mahala and then 10, the says Nanak, Behold Granth as Guru ? And some more things. [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE"]ਰਾਮ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81"]ਨਾਮੁ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%B0"]ਉਰ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%88"]ਮੈ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%93"]ਗਹਿਓ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE"]ਜਾ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%88"]ਕੈ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%AE"]ਸਮ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%80"]ਨਹੀ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%87"]ਕੋਇ [/URL] ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=#008080]राम नामु उर मै गहिओ जा कै सम नही कोइ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1]Rām nām ur mai gahi▫o jā kai sam nahī ko▫e.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080]I have enshrined the Lord's Name within my heart; there is nothing equal to it.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B9"]ਜਿਹ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A4"]ਸਿਮਰਤ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%9F"]ਸੰਕਟ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%9F%E0%A9%88"]ਮਿਟੈ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81"]ਦਰਸੁ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%8B"]ਤੁਹਾਰੋ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%87"]ਹੋਇ [/URL] ॥੫੭॥੧॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=#008080]जिह सिमरत संकट मिटै दरसु तुहारो होइ ॥५७॥१॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1]Jih simraṯ sankat mitai ḏaras ṯuhāro ho▫e. ||57||1||[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080]Meditating in remembrance on it, my troubles are taken away; I have received the Blessed Vision of Your Darshan. ||57||1||[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] (Ang 1429) And then another verse at the same Ang [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81"]ਤਰਸੁ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%86"]ਪਇਆ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF"]ਮਿਹਰਾਮਤਿ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%88"]ਹੋਈ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81"]ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%A3%E0%A9%81"]ਸਜਣੁ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86"]ਮਿਲਿਆ [/URL] ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=#008080]तरसु पइआ मिहरामति होई सतिगुरु सजणु मिलिआ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1]Ŧaras pa▫i▫ā mihrāmaṯ ho▫ī saṯgur sajaṇ mili▫ā.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080]You took pity on me, and blessed me with Your Mercy, and I have met the True Guru, my Friend.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%95"]ਨਾਨਕ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81"]ਨਾਮੁ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%88"]ਮਿਲੈ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%82"]ਤਾਂ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%82"]ਜੀਵਾਂ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81"]ਤਨੁ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81"]ਮਨੁ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A5%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%B5%E0%A9%88"]ਥੀਵੈ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86"]ਹਰਿਆ [/URL] ॥੧॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=#008080]नानक नामु मिलै तां जीवां तनु मनु थीवै हरिआ ॥१॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1]Nānak nām milai ṯāʼn jīvāʼn ṯan man thīvai hari▫ā. ||1||[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080]O Nanak, if I am blessed with the Naam, I live, and my body and mind blossom forth. ||1||[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] Ang 1429 So question is that why term Ram comes and not Nanak on the latest verse of Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ? Is Akal a student of 2 year missionary course conduct by atheist that should follow some rule and not start some unique thing, in unique faith of Sikhs that Akal will assume a poet to give direct verse to the followers of self ? Akal Bless and Thanks a lot for giving an opportunity to sing the praise of Akal. Vide yourself does Akal makes das to sing the glory of Akal. [/QUOTE]
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