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Booklet On Chandi Charitar (Shahbaz Khalsa), Reply To Issues By Dalbeer Singh Ji
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<blockquote data-quote="vijaydeep Singh" data-source="post: 104967" data-attributes="member: 313"><p><strong>Re: Booklet on Chandi Charitar(Shahbaz Khalsa), Reply to issues by Dalbeer Singh Ji</strong></p><p></p><p>Gurfateh</p><p></p><p>Brother, </p><p></p><p>Welcome and Due respect to you.</p><p></p><p>Well there is one question from the useless person like das. From 1430 Angs(srroy but das could not use term pages) give at least a single quote which say that Shri Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji, Shri Guru Har Rai Sahib Ji, Shri Guru Harkishan Sahib Ji or Shri Guru Gobind Singh Ji were Gurus of Sikh.</p><p></p><p>Or say Shri Guru Gobind Singh Ji gave Guruship to Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.</p><p></p><p>In case your self do not find them. Then you will have to agree that there are many things in Gurmat, which are not included in Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, yet not contradictory to them.</p><p></p><p>In fact there is no bonding on Tenth Master either to not to remember the God with new names.</p><p></p><p>There is mythological serpent always singing new names to God.</p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1309&english=t&id=56122" target="_blank"><u>Page 1309, Line 12</u></a></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: BLACK">ਸਹਸ ਫਨੀ ਜਪਿਓ ਸੇਖਨਾਗੈ ਹਰਿ ਜਪਤਿਆ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਵੈਗੋ ॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: BLACK">सहस फनी जपिओ सेखनागै हरि जपतिआ अंतु न पावैगो ॥</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: BLACK">Sahas fanī japi▫o sekẖnāgai har japṯi▫ā anṯ na pāvaigo.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: BLACK">The serpent king chants and meditates on the Lord with his thousands of heads, but even by these chants, he cannot find the Lord's limits.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: green"><strong>Guru Ram Das</strong></span> - [SIZE=-1]<a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=1309&L=12" target="_blank"><u>view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</u></a></p><p>[/SIZE]<span style="font-size: 9px"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1390&english=t&id=59200" target="_blank"><u>Page 1390, Line 2</u></a></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: BLACK">ਗਾਵੈ ਗੁਣ ਸੇਸੁ ਸਹਸ ਜਿਹਬਾ ਰਸ ਆਦਿ ਅੰਤਿ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਗਿ ਧੁਨਾ ॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: BLACK">गावै गुण सेसु सहस जिहबा रस आदि अंति लिव लागि धुना ॥</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: BLACK">Gāvai guṇ ses sahas jihbā ras āḏ anṯ liv lāg ḏẖunā.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: BLACK">The thousand-tongued serpent king sings His Praises with delight, remaining lovingly attached to Him.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: green"><strong>Bard Kal-sahar</strong></span> - [SIZE=-1]<a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=1390&L=2" target="_blank"><u>view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</u></a>[/SIZE]<span style="font-size: 9px"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1390&english=t&id=59221" target="_blank"><u>Page 1390, Line 13</u></a></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: BLACK">ਗੁਣ ਗਾਵਹਿ ਪਾਯਾਲਿ ਭਗਤ ਨਾਗਾਦਿ ਭੁਯੰਗਮ ॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: BLACK">गुण गावहि पायालि भगत नागादि भुयंगम ॥</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: BLACK">Guṇ gāvahi pā▫yāl bẖagaṯ nāgāḏ bẖuyangam.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: BLACK">In the nether worlds, His Praises are sung by the devotees like Shaysh-naag in serpent form.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: green"><strong>Bard Kal-sahar</strong></span> - [SIZE=-1]<a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=1390&L=13" target="_blank"><u>view Shab</u></a></p><p>[/SIZE]<span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%8F%E0%A8%95" target="_blank">ਏਕ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%B9" target="_blank">ਜੀਹ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A3" target="_blank">ਗੁਣ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank">ਕਵਨ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਬਖਾਨੈ </a> ॥</span></span></span> </p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #008080">एक जीह गुण कवन बखानै ॥</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Ėk jīh guṇ kavan bakẖānai.</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">Which of Your Glorious Virtues can I chant with my one tongue?</span></span></span> </p><p></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B8" target="_blank">ਸਹਸ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AB%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਫਨੀ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%96" target="_blank">ਸੇਖ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਅੰਤੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank">ਨ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਜਾਨੈ </a> ॥</span></span></span> </p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #008080">सहस फनी सेख अंतु न जानै ॥</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Sahas fanī sekẖ anṯ na jānai.</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">Even the thousand-headed serpent does not know Your limit.</span></span></span> </p><p></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank">ਨਵਤਨ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE" target="_blank">ਨਾਮ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਜਪੈ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਦਿਨੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਰਾਤੀ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਇਕੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A3%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਗੁਣੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਨਾਹੀ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AD" target="_blank">ਪ੍ਰਭ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਕਹਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਸੰਗਾ </a> ॥੧੬॥</span></span></span> </p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #008080">नवतन नाम जपै दिनु राती इकु गुणु नाही प्रभ कहि संगा ॥१६॥</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Navṯan nām japai ḏin rāṯī ik guṇ nāhī parabẖ kahi sangā. ||16||</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">One may chant new names for You day and night, but even so, O God, no one can describe even one of Your Glorious Virtues. ||16||</span></span></span> </p><p>(Ang 1083)</p><p></p><p>Brother with folded hands das prays to you that only motive for giving reference from above is to tell that as God is limitless so are the name of That God.That is of course God of Sikhs.</p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1183&punjabi=t&id=51041" target="_blank"><u>ਪੰਨਾ 1183, ਸਤਰ 11</u></a></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: BLACK">ਸਚੁ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੁ ਨਿਤ ਨਵਾ ॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: BLACK">सचु परमेसरु नित नवा ॥</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: BLACK">Sacẖ parmesar niṯ navā.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: BLACK">The True Transcendent Lord is always new, forever fresh.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: green">ਮਃ 5</span></span></p><p></p><p>There are a few verses which are there in Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, but we follow something contradictory to it in Sikhism. Das is sure that brilliant and motivated Sikh will follow the lines from Shri Dasham Granth Sahib ,then one told in Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, when he is faced by an offense by anti Panthic forces.</p><p></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AB%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਫਰੀਦਾ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank">ਜੋ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਤੈ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਮਾਰਨਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%82" target="_blank">ਮੁਕੀਆਂ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਤਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਾ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank">ਨ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87" target="_blank">ਮਾਰੇ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%98%E0%A9%81%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਘੁੰਮਿ </a> ॥</span></span></span> </p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #008080">फरीदा जो तै मारनि मुकीआं तिन्हा न मारे घुमि ॥</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Farīḏā jo ṯai māran mukī▫āʼn ṯinĥā na māre gẖumm.</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">Fareed, do not turn around and strike those who strike you with their fists.</span></span></span> </p><p></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%9C%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਆਪਨੜੈ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%98%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਘਰਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%88%E0%A8%90" target="_blank">ਜਾਈਐ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%88%E0%A8%B0" target="_blank">ਪੈਰ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਤਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਾ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%87" target="_blank">ਦੇ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A9%81%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਚੁੰਮਿ </a> ॥੭॥</span></span></span> </p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #008080">आपनड़ै घरि जाईऐ पैर तिन्हा दे चुमि ॥७॥</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Āpnaṛai gẖar jā▫ī▫ai pair ṯinĥā ḏe cẖumm. ||7||</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">Kiss their feet, and return to your own home. ||7||</span></span></span> (Ang 1378)</p><p></p><p>While What Tenth Master said.</p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolDevanSpl'">ਚੁ ਕਾਰ ਅਜ਼ ਹਮਹ ਹੀਲਤੇ ਦਰ ਗੁਜ਼ਸ਼ਤ ॥ ਹਲਾਲ ਅਸਤ ਬੁਰਦਨ ਬ ਸ਼ਮਸ਼ੀਰ ਦਸਤ ॥੨੨॥</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolDevanSpl'">चु कार अज़ हमह हीलते दर गुज़शत ॥ हलाल असत बुरदन ब शमशीर दसत ॥२२॥</span></p><p>When all other methods fail, it is proper to hold the sword in hand.22.</p><p></p><p>(Jaffernammah Sahib)</p><p>God is remembered as weapons in Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji also.</p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1021&punjabi=t&id=43613" target="_blank"><u>ਪੰਨਾ 1021, ਸਤਰ 1</u></a></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: BLACK">ਆਪੇ ਧਨਖੁ ਆਪੇ ਸਰਬਾਣਾ ॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: BLACK">आपे धनखु आपे सरबाणा ॥</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: BLACK">Āpe ḏẖanakẖ āpe sarbāṇā.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: BLACK">He Himself is the bow, and He Himself is the archer.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: green">ਮਃ 1</span></span> - [SIZE=-1]<a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=1021&L=1" target="_blank"><u>view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</u></a></p><p></p><p>Then regarding Sarbanha, Sar Banha both means to arrow also as given by Mahankosh for first meaning.</p><p>[/SIZE]<u><strong>[SIZE=-1]Mahan Kosh Encyclopedia[/SIZE]</strong></u> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolDevanSpl'">[SIZE=-0]<span style="color: #080844"> ਦੇਖੋ, ਸਰ ੪। (2) ਸੰ. ਸ਼ਰਵਾਣਿ. ਤੀਰ ਚਲਾਕੇ ਨਿਰਬਾਹ ਕਰਨ ਵਾਲਾ. ਕਮਾਣ ਰੱਖਣ ਵ</span>[/SIZE]</span><u><strong>[SIZE=-1]Mahan Kosh Encyclopedia[/SIZE]</strong></u> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolDevanSpl'">[SIZE=-0]<span style="color: #080844"> ਸੰ. सरस {ਸੰਗ੍ਯਾ}. ਤਾਲ. "ਸਰ ਭਰਿ ਥਲ ਹਰੀਆਵਲੇ". (ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਃ ਮਃ ੧) "ਨਉ ਸਰ ਸੁਭਰ ਦਸਵੈਂ ਪੂਰੇ". (ਸਿਧਗੋਸਟਿ) ਇਸ ਥਾਂ ਸਰ ਦਾ ਅਰਥ ਇੰਦ੍ਰੀਆਂ ਹਨ। (2) ਜਲ. "ਭਾਣੈ ਥਲ ਸਿਰਿ ਸਰ ਵਹੈ". (ਸੂਹੀ ਮਃ ੧. ਸੁਚਜੀ) ਟਿੱਬੇ ਉੱਪਰ ਪਾਨੀ ਵਹੈ। (3) शर. ਸ਼ਰ. ਤੀਰ. ਬਾਣ. "ਸਰ ਸੰਧੈ ਆਗਾਸ ਕਉ". (ਵਾਰ ਮਾਝ ਮਃ ੨)। (4) ਕਾਨਾ. ਸਰਕੁੜੇ ਦਾ ਕਾਨਾ. "ਆਪੇ ਧਨੁਖ ਆਪੇ ਸਰ ਬਾਣਾ". (ਮਾਰੂ ਸੋਲਹੇ ਮਃ ੧) ਆਪੇ ਕਾਨਾ ਹੈ ਆਪੇ ਲੋਹੇ ਦੀ ਮੁਖੀ। (5) ਪੰਜ ਸੰਖ੍ਯਾ ਬੋਧਕ ਸ਼ਬਦ, ਕਿਉਂਕਿ ਕਾਮ ਦੇ ਪੰਜ ਬਾਣ ਮੰਨੇ ਹਨ। (6) ਦੁੱਧ ਦੀ ਮਲਾਈ। (7) ਖਸ. ਉਸ਼ੀਰ। (8) ਪ੍ਰਾ. ਯੋਗ੍ਯ ਸਮਾ. ਮੁਨਾਸਿਬ ਵੇਲਾ. "ਸਰ ਅਪਸਰ ਕੀ ਸਾਰ ਨ ਜਾਣਹਿ". (ਸੋਰ ਮਃ ੧)। (9) ਤੁੱਲ. ਬਰਾਬਰ. "ਨਾਮੇ ਸਰ ਭਰਿ ਸੋਨਾ ਲੇਹੁ". (ਭੈਰ ਨਾਮਦੇਵ)। (10) ਸਮੁੰਦਰ. ਸਾਗਰ। (11) ਸ੍ਵਾਸ. ਸੁਰ. ਦਮ. "ਆਵਤ ਜਾਤ ਨਾਕ ਸਰ ਹੋਈ". (ਗੌਂਡ ਕਬੀਰ) ਨਾਕਦਮ ਹੋਈ। (12) ਫ਼ਾ. __ ਸਿਰ. ਸੀਸ. "ਮਮ ਸਰ ਮੂਇ ਅਜਰਾਈਲ ਗਰਿਫਤਹ". (ਤਿਲੰ ਮਃ ੧) "ਨ ਅਕਲ ਸਰ". (ਵਾਰ ਸਾਰ ਮਃ ੧)। (13) ਫਤੇ. ਜਿੱਤ. "ਦੇਸ ਸਰਬ ਸਰ ਕੀਨੋ". (ਗੁਪ੍ਰਸੂ)। (14) ਸਰਦਾਰ। (15) ਅ਼. __ ਸ਼ੱਰ. ਬਦੀ. ਬੁਰਾਈ। (16) ਡਿੰਗ. ਸਰ. ਦੁੱਧ</span>[/SIZE]</span><span style="font-family: 'AnmolDevanSpl'">[SIZE=-0]<span style="color: #080844">ਾਲਾ ਸਿਪਾਹੀ. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolDevanSpl'"><span style="color: #080844"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolDevanSpl'"><span style="color: #080844"></span>[/SIZE]</span>[SIZE=-1]</p><p>[/SIZE]Lastly kindly provide a referance from Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, which tells that Sikh Gurus are not to use any other name of God outside Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ?</p><p></p><p>(off the topic, Well one email was sent to you few minutes before das got your link for this reply. This means that there is some telepathic contact between yourself and das, kindly see you in box, same email will be made public soon for the interest of Panth,That is about working for Sikhism and not for our idealogical differences)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="vijaydeep Singh, post: 104967, member: 313"] [b]Re: Booklet on Chandi Charitar(Shahbaz Khalsa), Reply to issues by Dalbeer Singh Ji[/b] Gurfateh Brother, Welcome and Due respect to you. Well there is one question from the useless person like das. From 1430 Angs(srroy but das could not use term pages) give at least a single quote which say that Shri Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji, Shri Guru Har Rai Sahib Ji, Shri Guru Harkishan Sahib Ji or Shri Guru Gobind Singh Ji were Gurus of Sikh. Or say Shri Guru Gobind Singh Ji gave Guruship to Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. In case your self do not find them. Then you will have to agree that there are many things in Gurmat, which are not included in Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, yet not contradictory to them. In fact there is no bonding on Tenth Master either to not to remember the God with new names. There is mythological serpent always singing new names to God. [SIZE=1][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1309&english=t&id=56122"][U]Page 1309, Line 12[/U][/URL][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=BLACK]ਸਹਸ ਫਨੀ ਜਪਿਓ ਸੇਖਨਾਗੈ ਹਰਿ ਜਪਤਿਆ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਵੈਗੋ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=BLACK]सहस फनी जपिओ सेखनागै हरि जपतिआ अंतु न पावैगो ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=BLACK]Sahas fanī japi▫o sekẖnāgai har japṯi▫ā anṯ na pāvaigo.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=BLACK]The serpent king chants and meditates on the Lord with his thousands of heads, but even by these chants, he cannot find the Lord's limits.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=green][B]Guru Ram Das[/B][/COLOR] - [SIZE=-1][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=1309&L=12"][U]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok[/U][/URL] [/SIZE][SIZE=1][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1390&english=t&id=59200"][U]Page 1390, Line 2[/U][/URL][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=BLACK]ਗਾਵੈ ਗੁਣ ਸੇਸੁ ਸਹਸ ਜਿਹਬਾ ਰਸ ਆਦਿ ਅੰਤਿ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਗਿ ਧੁਨਾ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=BLACK]गावै गुण सेसु सहस जिहबा रस आदि अंति लिव लागि धुना ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=BLACK]Gāvai guṇ ses sahas jihbā ras āḏ anṯ liv lāg ḏẖunā.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=BLACK]The thousand-tongued serpent king sings His Praises with delight, remaining lovingly attached to Him.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=green][B]Bard Kal-sahar[/B][/COLOR] - [SIZE=-1][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=1390&L=2"][U]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok[/U][/URL][/SIZE][SIZE=1][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1390&english=t&id=59221"][U]Page 1390, Line 13[/U][/URL][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=BLACK]ਗੁਣ ਗਾਵਹਿ ਪਾਯਾਲਿ ਭਗਤ ਨਾਗਾਦਿ ਭੁਯੰਗਮ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=BLACK]गुण गावहि पायालि भगत नागादि भुयंगम ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=BLACK]Guṇ gāvahi pā▫yāl bẖagaṯ nāgāḏ bẖuyangam.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=BLACK]In the nether worlds, His Praises are sung by the devotees like Shaysh-naag in serpent form.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=green][B]Bard Kal-sahar[/B][/COLOR] - [SIZE=-1][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=1390&L=13"][U]view Shab[/U][/URL] [/SIZE][FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%8F%E0%A8%95"]ਏਕ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%B9"]ਜੀਹ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A3"]ਗੁਣ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%A8"]ਕਵਨ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%88"]ਬਖਾਨੈ [/URL] ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=#008080]एक जीह गुण कवन बखानै ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1]Ėk jīh guṇ kavan bakẖānai.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080]Which of Your Glorious Virtues can I chant with my one tongue?[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B8"]ਸਹਸ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AB%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80"]ਫਨੀ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%96"]ਸੇਖ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81"]ਅੰਤੁ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8"]ਨ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%88"]ਜਾਨੈ [/URL] ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=#008080]सहस फनी सेख अंतु न जानै ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1]Sahas fanī sekẖ anṯ na jānai.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080]Even the thousand-headed serpent does not know Your limit.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%A8"]ਨਵਤਨ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE"]ਨਾਮ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%88"]ਜਪੈ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81"]ਦਿਨੁ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%80"]ਰਾਤੀ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%81"]ਇਕੁ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A3%E0%A9%81"]ਗੁਣੁ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%80"]ਨਾਹੀ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AD"]ਪ੍ਰਭ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF"]ਕਹਿ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%BE"]ਸੰਗਾ [/URL] ॥੧੬॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=#008080]नवतन नाम जपै दिनु राती इकु गुणु नाही प्रभ कहि संगा ॥१६॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1]Navṯan nām japai ḏin rāṯī ik guṇ nāhī parabẖ kahi sangā. ||16||[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080]One may chant new names for You day and night, but even so, O God, no one can describe even one of Your Glorious Virtues. ||16||[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] (Ang 1083) Brother with folded hands das prays to you that only motive for giving reference from above is to tell that as God is limitless so are the name of That God.That is of course God of Sikhs. [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1183&punjabi=t&id=51041"][U]ਪੰਨਾ 1183, ਸਤਰ 11[/U][/URL][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=BLACK]ਸਚੁ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੁ ਨਿਤ ਨਵਾ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=BLACK]सचु परमेसरु नित नवा ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=BLACK]Sacẖ parmesar niṯ navā.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=BLACK]The True Transcendent Lord is always new, forever fresh.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=green]ਮਃ 5[/COLOR][/FONT] There are a few verses which are there in Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, but we follow something contradictory to it in Sikhism. Das is sure that brilliant and motivated Sikh will follow the lines from Shri Dasham Granth Sahib ,then one told in Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, when he is faced by an offense by anti Panthic forces. [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AB%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%BE"]ਫਰੀਦਾ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B"]ਜੋ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%88"]ਤੈ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF"]ਮਾਰਨਿ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%82"]ਮੁਕੀਆਂ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE"]ਤਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਾ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8"]ਨ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87"]ਮਾਰੇ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%98%E0%A9%81%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BF"]ਘੁੰਮਿ [/URL] ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=#008080]फरीदा जो तै मारनि मुकीआं तिन्हा न मारे घुमि ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1]Farīḏā jo ṯai māran mukī▫āʼn ṯinĥā na māre gẖumm.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080]Fareed, do not turn around and strike those who strike you with their fists.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%9C%E0%A9%88"]ਆਪਨੜੈ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%98%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF"]ਘਰਿ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%88%E0%A8%90"]ਜਾਈਐ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%88%E0%A8%B0"]ਪੈਰ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE"]ਤਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਾ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%87"]ਦੇ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A9%81%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BF"]ਚੁੰਮਿ [/URL] ॥੭॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=#008080]आपनड़ै घरि जाईऐ पैर तिन्हा दे चुमि ॥७॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1]Āpnaṛai gẖar jā▫ī▫ai pair ṯinĥā ḏe cẖumm. ||7||[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080]Kiss their feet, and return to your own home. ||7||[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] (Ang 1378) While What Tenth Master said. [FONT=AnmolDevanSpl]ਚੁ ਕਾਰ ਅਜ਼ ਹਮਹ ਹੀਲਤੇ ਦਰ ਗੁਜ਼ਸ਼ਤ ॥ ਹਲਾਲ ਅਸਤ ਬੁਰਦਨ ਬ ਸ਼ਮਸ਼ੀਰ ਦਸਤ ॥੨੨॥[/FONT] [FONT=AnmolDevanSpl]चु कार अज़ हमह हीलते दर गुज़शत ॥ हलाल असत बुरदन ब शमशीर दसत ॥२२॥[/FONT] When all other methods fail, it is proper to hold the sword in hand.22. (Jaffernammah Sahib) God is remembered as weapons in Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji also. [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1021&punjabi=t&id=43613"][U]ਪੰਨਾ 1021, ਸਤਰ 1[/U][/URL][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=BLACK]ਆਪੇ ਧਨਖੁ ਆਪੇ ਸਰਬਾਣਾ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=BLACK]आपे धनखु आपे सरबाणा ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=BLACK]Āpe ḏẖanakẖ āpe sarbāṇā.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=BLACK]He Himself is the bow, and He Himself is the archer.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=green]ਮਃ 1[/COLOR][/FONT] - [SIZE=-1][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=1021&L=1"][U]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok[/U][/URL] Then regarding Sarbanha, Sar Banha both means to arrow also as given by Mahankosh for first meaning. [/SIZE][U][B][SIZE=-1]Mahan Kosh Encyclopedia[/SIZE][/B][/U] [FONT=AnmolDevanSpl][SIZE=-0][COLOR=#080844] ਦੇਖੋ, ਸਰ ੪। (2) ਸੰ. ਸ਼ਰਵਾਣਿ. ਤੀਰ ਚਲਾਕੇ ਨਿਰਬਾਹ ਕਰਨ ਵਾਲਾ. ਕਮਾਣ ਰੱਖਣ ਵ[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][U][B][SIZE=-1]Mahan Kosh Encyclopedia[/SIZE][/B][/U] [FONT=AnmolDevanSpl][SIZE=-0][COLOR=#080844] ਸੰ. सरस {ਸੰਗ੍ਯਾ}. ਤਾਲ. "ਸਰ ਭਰਿ ਥਲ ਹਰੀਆਵਲੇ". (ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਃ ਮਃ ੧) "ਨਉ ਸਰ ਸੁਭਰ ਦਸਵੈਂ ਪੂਰੇ". (ਸਿਧਗੋਸਟਿ) ਇਸ ਥਾਂ ਸਰ ਦਾ ਅਰਥ ਇੰਦ੍ਰੀਆਂ ਹਨ। (2) ਜਲ. "ਭਾਣੈ ਥਲ ਸਿਰਿ ਸਰ ਵਹੈ". (ਸੂਹੀ ਮਃ ੧. ਸੁਚਜੀ) ਟਿੱਬੇ ਉੱਪਰ ਪਾਨੀ ਵਹੈ। (3) शर. ਸ਼ਰ. ਤੀਰ. ਬਾਣ. "ਸਰ ਸੰਧੈ ਆਗਾਸ ਕਉ". (ਵਾਰ ਮਾਝ ਮਃ ੨)। (4) ਕਾਨਾ. ਸਰਕੁੜੇ ਦਾ ਕਾਨਾ. "ਆਪੇ ਧਨੁਖ ਆਪੇ ਸਰ ਬਾਣਾ". (ਮਾਰੂ ਸੋਲਹੇ ਮਃ ੧) ਆਪੇ ਕਾਨਾ ਹੈ ਆਪੇ ਲੋਹੇ ਦੀ ਮੁਖੀ। (5) ਪੰਜ ਸੰਖ੍ਯਾ ਬੋਧਕ ਸ਼ਬਦ, ਕਿਉਂਕਿ ਕਾਮ ਦੇ ਪੰਜ ਬਾਣ ਮੰਨੇ ਹਨ। (6) ਦੁੱਧ ਦੀ ਮਲਾਈ। (7) ਖਸ. ਉਸ਼ੀਰ। (8) ਪ੍ਰਾ. ਯੋਗ੍ਯ ਸਮਾ. ਮੁਨਾਸਿਬ ਵੇਲਾ. "ਸਰ ਅਪਸਰ ਕੀ ਸਾਰ ਨ ਜਾਣਹਿ". (ਸੋਰ ਮਃ ੧)। (9) ਤੁੱਲ. ਬਰਾਬਰ. "ਨਾਮੇ ਸਰ ਭਰਿ ਸੋਨਾ ਲੇਹੁ". (ਭੈਰ ਨਾਮਦੇਵ)। (10) ਸਮੁੰਦਰ. ਸਾਗਰ। (11) ਸ੍ਵਾਸ. ਸੁਰ. ਦਮ. "ਆਵਤ ਜਾਤ ਨਾਕ ਸਰ ਹੋਈ". (ਗੌਂਡ ਕਬੀਰ) ਨਾਕਦਮ ਹੋਈ। (12) ਫ਼ਾ. __ ਸਿਰ. ਸੀਸ. "ਮਮ ਸਰ ਮੂਇ ਅਜਰਾਈਲ ਗਰਿਫਤਹ". (ਤਿਲੰ ਮਃ ੧) "ਨ ਅਕਲ ਸਰ". (ਵਾਰ ਸਾਰ ਮਃ ੧)। (13) ਫਤੇ. ਜਿੱਤ. "ਦੇਸ ਸਰਬ ਸਰ ਕੀਨੋ". (ਗੁਪ੍ਰਸੂ)। (14) ਸਰਦਾਰ। (15) ਅ਼. __ ਸ਼ੱਰ. ਬਦੀ. ਬੁਰਾਈ। (16) ਡਿੰਗ. ਸਰ. ਦੁੱਧ[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=AnmolDevanSpl][SIZE=-0][COLOR=#080844]ਾਲਾ ਸਿਪਾਹੀ. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=-1] [/SIZE]Lastly kindly provide a referance from Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, which tells that Sikh Gurus are not to use any other name of God outside Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ? (off the topic, Well one email was sent to you few minutes before das got your link for this reply. This means that there is some telepathic contact between yourself and das, kindly see you in box, same email will be made public soon for the interest of Panth,That is about working for Sikhism and not for our idealogical differences) [/QUOTE]
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