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<blockquote data-quote="Qasim" data-source="post: 26836" data-attributes="member: 2975"><p><strong>Re: Anti Sikh site.</strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: Black"><span style="color: darkred">dont post quotes from the koran here it is irrelevant to our discussion.</span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: black"> You don’t want to read quotes from The Holy Quran because you feel they are “irrelevant to the discussion?” so words like “glorified slavery”, “dismembered remains,” etc etc are relevant? Quit the double standards please. Also why don’t you ever use quotes from your holy books? You’re more than welcome to.</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span> </p><p> <strong><span style="color: black">we will tell you how to behave and live in accordance to gods submission,</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: black">Once again I urge you to use your intellect. Look around you at nature. Can’t you see that it is in submission to God? Look at how animals are in their habitat, all submitting to The Almighty in their own ways, the birds sing, migrate etc, cats perform ablution etc, even the trees glorify Him they are all performing their religion, meaning their way of life that fits into the delicate balance of all things. </span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: DarkRed">Seest thou not that to Allah bow down in worship all things that are in the heavens and on earth,- the sun, the moon, the stars; the hills, the trees, the animals; and a great number among mankind? Qur’an <em><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">22.018</span></em></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: black">Mankind is also a part of this nature but the unique characteristic of man is his free will, the freedom of choice which allows him to choose his way of life. Allah taught nature its religion </span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: DarkRed">"And your Lord taught the honey bee to build its cells in hills, on trees, and in (men's) habitations; Then to eat of all the produce (of the earth), and find with skill the spacious paths of its Lord: there issues from within their bodies a drink of varying colours, wherein is healing for men: verily in this is a Sign for those who give thought. (Surat an-Nahl (The Bee), 68-69)</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: black">and now He is teaching us, the way we learn is through books, the first commandment from Allah in the Quran is “iqra” which is “read”. The Quran is in a sense mans instruction guide for the heart, mind, body and soul. For the Creator is the only one who knows His creation.</span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: black">If mankind wasn’t given any guidance from The Almighty we all would have been in extreme turmoil and grave error. Man can become very distant from nature and can cause a lot of corruption and discontentment. Islam connects you back to nature where we all belong, where we all strayed from. It is not a burden but in fact a completion of God’s favour on mankind, the final piece of man as God’s creature. </span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #0076AE"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: #0076AE"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">'This day I have completed your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you and have selected for your Way of Life, Al-Islam."</span></strong></span></strong><span style="color: #0076AE">[Holy Quran, 5:3]</span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: black">This is why Islam and Muslims have existed since the beginning of time; they were and are the people in submission to the One God and His chosen way of life.</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color: black"> If you could have guided humanity then god would not have sent 11 motr masters to guide humanity have some shame and stop fooling yourself.</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: black">I haven’t seen any guidance from you, your style of expressing Sikhism doesn’t do it any favours. But I won’t judge a whole people due to the actions of one person. </span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: darkred"><span style="color: Black"><strong>Does not have anything to do with your question you are a pick and choose scholar</strong></span> </span></p><p> </p><p> I’m not a scholar. But yes I do pick and choose from the Quran the True knowledge Allah has granted all Muslims. Why don’t you ever quote your Holy books? I’d like to compare.</p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color: black">who uses lines from koran which bear no relation to my the passage they came from und then you use these to support an argument this is a poor evidence.</span></strong></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: black">Why don’t you try discussing some points like a proper discussion rather than complaining all the time? This is not what i was expecting from a "champion debater."</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color: black">you never read the whole thread on the slamic board you need to read it carefully it answers all your questions and plenty more</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: black">“winning” a discussion proves nothing. I’m here to talk to you Dillon. Nevertheless I will reply. Although this is the last of my posts to you on this discussion, God willing I will send you another separate one with answers for ALL your points on the discussion you “won.”</span></p><p> <span style="color: black"></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"></span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black">is this your evidence please don’t insult our intelligence,</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: black">I don’t have to, you do it yourself. READ</span></p><p> <span style="color: black">This is what I initially wrote in the last post</span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: black">Look below (its in blue)</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: blue">Do you agree with: </span></strong></p><p> <span style="color: black">Look above</span></p><p> <span style="color: black">Can you see it? It says </span><strong><span style="color: blue">DO YOU AGREE WITH: </span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <em><span style="color: black">(from last post –these words are not) The Sikh religion is regarded by many scholars as a syncretic religious system which borrows heavily from Hinduism and Sufi mysticism. Other scholars treat it as a branch of Hinduism's bhakti mystical devotion, as an attempt to reform Hinduism or as an attempt to harmonize Hinduism and Islam which ended up becoming its own religious tradition. <a href="http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/sikh/blfaq_sikh_beliefs.htm" target="_blank">http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/</a></span></em></p><p> </p><p></p><p> <span style="color: black">The link is to show where I got it from (its called referencing) and to genuinely see if you agreed or disagreed. A genuine question, to which, I got this “intelligent” reply.</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color: black">if i call your mother a slag is that valid proof that your mother is a slag?, if people spread rumours they will suffer this is gods law, if you personally think that sikhism is as the defintion you have provided then you arrived at this defintion yourself you must challenge yourself and provide evidence from where you found this defintion, these defintions are oblivious to sikhs our religion is a sovereing independant faith any attempt to assimilate it it by other faiths highlights the self-respect deficit in those relligious traditions.</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: black">For this reason this discussion stops here. I heard that you were a “Champion Debater” Mr Dillon and had initially hoped for a deep discussion, but instead I find myself talking to a person who is governed by his emotions and lower self. I don’t think you should be representing your religion on these posts as you’re obviously doing more harm than good. Your language is despicable.</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span> </p><p> <strong><span style="color: black">your allah is a very dismal god,</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: black">Wretched ignorant man. How dare you speak of such? It’s clear to me now that you’re not a true Sikh or a man of religion…hypocrite. This is my last post, you’re damaging the respect of Sikh people, as well as the Image of Sikhism itself, you have no right to speak for your religion.</span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color: black">god never gave a direct revelation before only angels sent down their opions of what was right this is why isalm is wrong and far from the truth, </span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: black">Aren’t you contradicting yourself there? Sikhism doesn’t believe in angels or does it? This is the last post to you for I no longer want to hear any brainless insulting remarks towards any religion.</span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color: black">gurus words came from directly as ther souls were always living in gods charan this is a remarkable difference, your prophet was not even a messenger he wrote nothing down, hearts and minds are not enuff.</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: black">You speak out of shear ignorance. Muhammad was the most influential man in history.</span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: black">READ the words of a non-Muslim.</span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: black">http://www.amaana.org/ismailim.html</span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: black">Well thank you for you replies Mr Dillon; it’s been a time wasting experience talking to you. You need to learn to read replies without your paranoid anti-Islamic vision in order to pose questions and answers with some substance rather than emotional fanaticism. Your post on “Allah being a dismal god” was completely unacceptable, this is the type of statement I would expect from an atheist, or an enemy of God. Not a Sikh.</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p> Reply with what you want, i'm done.</p><p>peace be to you.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Qasim, post: 26836, member: 2975"] [b]Re: Anti Sikh site.[/b] [B][COLOR=Black][COLOR=darkred]dont post quotes from the koran here it is irrelevant to our discussion.[/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR] [COLOR=black] You don’t want to read quotes from The Holy Quran because you feel they are “irrelevant to the discussion?” so words like “glorified slavery”, “dismembered remains,” etc etc are relevant? Quit the double standards please. Also why don’t you ever use quotes from your holy books? You’re more than welcome to. [/COLOR] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black]we will tell you how to behave and live in accordance to gods submission,[/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Once again I urge you to use your intellect. Look around you at nature. Can’t you see that it is in submission to God? Look at how animals are in their habitat, all submitting to The Almighty in their own ways, the birds sing, migrate etc, cats perform ablution etc, even the trees glorify Him they are all performing their religion, meaning their way of life that fits into the delicate balance of all things. [/COLOR] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkRed]Seest thou not that to Allah bow down in worship all things that are in the heavens and on earth,- the sun, the moon, the stars; the hills, the trees, the animals; and a great number among mankind? Qur’an [I][FONT=Verdana]22.018[/FONT][/I][/COLOR][COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Mankind is also a part of this nature but the unique characteristic of man is his free will, the freedom of choice which allows him to choose his way of life. Allah taught nature its religion [/COLOR] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkRed]"And your Lord taught the honey bee to build its cells in hills, on trees, and in (men's) habitations; Then to eat of all the produce (of the earth), and find with skill the spacious paths of its Lord: there issues from within their bodies a drink of varying colours, wherein is healing for men: verily in this is a Sign for those who give thought. (Surat an-Nahl (The Bee), 68-69) [/COLOR] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]and now He is teaching us, the way we learn is through books, the first commandment from Allah in the Quran is “iqra” which is “read”. The Quran is in a sense mans instruction guide for the heart, mind, body and soul. For the Creator is the only one who knows His creation.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]If mankind wasn’t given any guidance from The Almighty we all would have been in extreme turmoil and grave error. Man can become very distant from nature and can cause a lot of corruption and discontentment. Islam connects you back to nature where we all belong, where we all strayed from. It is not a burden but in fact a completion of God’s favour on mankind, the final piece of man as God’s creature. [/COLOR] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR][B][COLOR=#0076AE][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#0076AE] [B][FONT=Verdana]'This day I have completed your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you and have selected for your Way of Life, Al-Islam."[/FONT][/B][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=#0076AE][Holy Quran, 5:3][/COLOR][COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]This is why Islam and Muslims have existed since the beginning of time; they were and are the people in submission to the One God and His chosen way of life. [/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black] If you could have guided humanity then god would not have sent 11 motr masters to guide humanity have some shame and stop fooling yourself.[/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]I haven’t seen any guidance from you, your style of expressing Sikhism doesn’t do it any favours. But I won’t judge a whole people due to the actions of one person. [/COLOR] [COLOR=darkred][COLOR=Black][B]Does not have anything to do with your question you are a pick and choose scholar[/B][/COLOR] [/COLOR] [COLOR=darkred] [/COLOR] I’m not a scholar. But yes I do pick and choose from the Quran the True knowledge Allah has granted all Muslims. Why don’t you ever quote your Holy books? I’d like to compare. [COLOR=YellowGreen][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black]who uses lines from koran which bear no relation to my the passage they came from und then you use these to support an argument this is a poor evidence.[/COLOR][/B][COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Why don’t you try discussing some points like a proper discussion rather than complaining all the time? This is not what i was expecting from a "champion debater." [/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black]you never read the whole thread on the slamic board you need to read it carefully it answers all your questions and plenty more[/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]“winning” a discussion proves nothing. I’m here to talk to you Dillon. Nevertheless I will reply. Although this is the last of my posts to you on this discussion, God willing I will send you another separate one with answers for ALL your points on the discussion you “won.”[/COLOR] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black]is this your evidence please don’t insult our intelligence,[/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]I don’t have to, you do it yourself. READ[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]This is what I initially wrote in the last post[/COLOR] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Look below (its in blue)[/COLOR] [B][COLOR=blue]Do you agree with: [/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=black]Look above[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Can you see it? It says [/COLOR][B][COLOR=blue]DO YOU AGREE WITH: [/COLOR][/B][COLOR=black][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=black](from last post –these words are not) The Sikh religion is regarded by many scholars as a syncretic religious system which borrows heavily from Hinduism and Sufi mysticism. Other scholars treat it as a branch of Hinduism's bhakti mystical devotion, as an attempt to reform Hinduism or as an attempt to harmonize Hinduism and Islam which ended up becoming its own religious tradition. [URL="http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/sikh/blfaq_sikh_beliefs.htm"]http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/[/URL][/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black]The link is to show where I got it from (its called referencing) and to genuinely see if you agreed or disagreed. A genuine question, to which, I got this “intelligent” reply. [/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black]if i call your mother a slag is that valid proof that your mother is a slag?, if people spread rumours they will suffer this is gods law, if you personally think that sikhism is as the defintion you have provided then you arrived at this defintion yourself you must challenge yourself and provide evidence from where you found this defintion, these defintions are oblivious to sikhs our religion is a sovereing independant faith any attempt to assimilate it it by other faiths highlights the self-respect deficit in those relligious traditions.[/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]For this reason this discussion stops here. I heard that you were a “Champion Debater” Mr Dillon and had initially hoped for a deep discussion, but instead I find myself talking to a person who is governed by his emotions and lower self. I don’t think you should be representing your religion on these posts as you’re obviously doing more harm than good. Your language is despicable. [/COLOR] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black]your allah is a very dismal god,[/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=black]Wretched ignorant man. How dare you speak of such? It’s clear to me now that you’re not a true Sikh or a man of religion…hypocrite. This is my last post, you’re damaging the respect of Sikh people, as well as the Image of Sikhism itself, you have no right to speak for your religion.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black]god never gave a direct revelation before only angels sent down their opions of what was right this is why isalm is wrong and far from the truth, [/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=black]Aren’t you contradicting yourself there? Sikhism doesn’t believe in angels or does it? This is the last post to you for I no longer want to hear any brainless insulting remarks towards any religion.[/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black]gurus words came from directly as ther souls were always living in gods charan this is a remarkable difference, your prophet was not even a messenger he wrote nothing down, hearts and minds are not enuff.[/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=black]You speak out of shear ignorance. Muhammad was the most influential man in history.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]READ the words of a non-Muslim.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]http://www.amaana.org/ismailim.html[/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=black]Well thank you for you replies Mr Dillon; it’s been a time wasting experience talking to you. You need to learn to read replies without your paranoid anti-Islamic vision in order to pose questions and answers with some substance rather than emotional fanaticism. Your post on “Allah being a dismal god” was completely unacceptable, this is the type of statement I would expect from an atheist, or an enemy of God. Not a Sikh. [/COLOR] Reply with what you want, i'm done. peace be to you. [COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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