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<blockquote data-quote="Qasim" data-source="post: 26786" data-attributes="member: 2975"><p><strong>Re: Anti Sikh site.</strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">To Mr I.S. Dillon</span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">My questions were related to “CaramelChocolate” comments which I thought needed tackling as statements such as “</span></span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Typical Abrahamic-religion style thinking” are insulting to soooooo many people, billions (it’s bad enough to insult one person!)<strong><span style="color: black">. I think you’re undermining him/her by answering questions that weren’t for you, nevertheless, I’d like to lay some ground rules for discussion between you and me because phrases like, “anytime buddy anytime!!!!!!!:}--}:” suggest to me you speak from emotion rather than from reason, (I may be wrong for only God truly knows but your replies seem rather hostile towards Islam and Muslims and lack any evidence for statements such as, “a recent invention by Islamic scholars”.) A religious discussion should not be about scoring points, it’s not a competition, it should keep pride far at bay for the souls fate rests with the Truth not pride and honour, so I respectfully ask you brother Dillon to keep insulting remarks (such as “glorified slavery”) away from this debate, I’m looking for facts and real thought provoking arguments from the Sikh community. </span></strong></span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">One other point is misinterpretation, it’s understandable that it can happen and proves how we have filtered vision and understandings of the world around us. But deliberate misinterpretations are not the ways of a respectable person. Any genuine mistakes are fine though.</span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> <strong>so they became false when islam appeared?</strong></p><p><strong></strong> Other religions are not false because <strong>remaining elements</strong> of truth still exist in them (i.e. the belief that God is One), in fact this proves that all religions come from the same source, God, unless they are completely false (i.e. scientology) (which only exist due to the Will of The Limitless). The Almighty speaks in many places of past religions and past prophets that were sent for a people for a certain time. As Muslims we are told to love and accept all prophets all religions and all books.</p><p> <strong></strong></p><p><strong>sikhism also appeared </strong></p><p><strong></strong> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">How did Sikhism “appear”? Were there revelations from The Almighty guiding mankind to live as Sikhs? The same God that sent revelations to mankind before Sikhism? (Show me some scripture pls)</span></span></p><p> </p><p> <strong></strong></p><p><strong>and and showed how muslims strayed from gods message </strong></p><p><strong></strong> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">In the same way I can say that God shows how Sikh people have strayed from the truth even though Sikhism came after Islam. Every religion has its black sheep, people of all kinds stray from religion. The righteous exist in all religions. </span></span></p><p> <strong></strong></p><p><strong>read the sggs and you will learn what a muslim is supposed to be.</strong></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The sggs is a little late in telling what a muslim is supposed to be as the Quran already does this, maybe its because Sikhism “</span></span>borrows” heavily from Islamic teachings? (Is this true?) </p><p> <strong></strong></p><p><strong>a recent invention by islamic scholars,</strong></p><p><strong></strong> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">(about Islam sent for the whole of mankind)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span> </p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">False. There are many places in the Quran where God speaks to mankind as a whole. </span></span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #990000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>O mankind!</strong> Worship your Lord (Allah), who has created you As well as those before you; Do so that you are saved. It is He Who has made the earth A resting-place for you, And the sky a canopy, And sent down water from above With which He brought forth fruits for your sustenance. Do not, then, set up rivals to Allah When you know (the truth). (The Qura'n 2:21-22)</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: DarkRed">And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant (Muhammad), then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides God, if your (doubts) are true. </span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: DarkRed">Qur'an 2:23</span></span></p><p> <strong></strong></p><p> <strong>christianity also claims to be for the whole of mankind, </strong></p><p><strong></strong> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Not in their scriptures. Jesus (p.b.u.h) was for his nation at his time.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p> <span style="color: green">"These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: 'Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of </span><span style="color: green">Israel</span><span style="color: green">.' </span><span style="color: blue">(From the NIV Bible, Matthew 10:5-6)</span><span style="color: green">"</span></p><p><span style="color: green"></span></p><p> <span style="color: green"></span></p><p><span style="color: green"></span> </p><p> <span style="color: green">"He (Jesus) answered, 'I was sent only to the lost sheep of </span><span style="color: green">Israel</span><span style="color: green">.'</span> <span style="color: blue">(From the NIV Bible, Matthew </span><span style="color: blue">15:24</span><span style="color: blue">)</span><span style="color: green">"</span> </p><p></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Even the Bible prophesises the coming of the final Messenger for the whole of mankind, Muhammad (p.b.u.h) <a href="http://jamaat.net/deedat.htm" target="_blank">http://jamaat.net/deedat.htm</a>. So does the jewish scripture and hindu scriptures. Dr Zakir Naik, Islam and Hindusim debate on google video. </span></span></p><p> </p><p> <strong></strong></p><p><strong>the quote you used from the koran about messengers sent to different tribes does not mean that those tribes could not spread the same message to all and sundry.</strong></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I didn’t use a quote from the Quran in my last post. But here’s one,</span></span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: red">"<strong>Mankind was one single nation,</strong> and God sent Messengers with glad tidings and warnings; and with them He sent the Book in truth, to judge between people in matters wherein they differed; but the People of the Book, after the clear Signs came to them, did not differ among themselves, except through selfish contumacy. God by His Grace Guided the believers to the Truth, concerning that wherein they differed. For God guided whom He will to a path that is straight. </span><span style="color: blue">(The Noble Quran, 2:213)</span><span style="color: red">"</span></p><p> </p><p> <strong>sikhism still isnt a religion sikhism is sikhism their is no paralell </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">What is Sikhism then? Isn’t it a compilation of Hinduism and Islam, and an attempt to join the two? </span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">This is the definition of religion,</span></span></p><p> <strong>a. </strong>Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.</p><p> <strong>b. </strong>A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.</p><p> <strong>2. </strong>The life or condition of a person in a religious order.</p><p> <strong>3. </strong>A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.</p><p> <strong>4. </strong>A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.</p><p> (<a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/" target="_blank">http://www.thefreedictionary.com/</a>)</p><p> doesn't this make Sikhism a religion?<strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>it is the only direct revelation from god (something which can never be rebuked) compiled by the pen of the guru, no angels and no devtas were involved </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Contradiction: Direct revelation from God – compiled by the pen of the Guru. Don’t believe in Angels or the Unseen? </span></span></p><p> [16:8] ...and He creates other things beyond your knowledge... </p><p> [24:45] ...Allah creates what He wills... </p><p> </p><p> He knows what you know not.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>god made sure he did the job well </strong></p><p><strong></strong> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">“God made sure?” This is not the God of Islam, He doesn’t make sure of anything, </span></p><p> </p><p> [41:39] "...For He (Allah) has power over all things." </p><p> [3:47] "...when He has decreed a matter, He only says to it, 'Be', and it is." </p><p> </p><p> <strong></strong></p><p><strong>their is no parallel in the world history if you know of one then bring forward the proof and we will discuss it.</strong></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I can write a book and call it unique, but is it the Truth? Tell me, what is parallel in world history? The answer is nothing is.</span></span></p><p> </p><p> <strong></strong></p><p><strong>angel gabrielle was not god and koran was also compiled in the hearts and minds of the companions</strong></p><p><strong></strong> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'">The Quran was revealed to Muhammad (p.b.u.h) over a period of 23 years. The revelations came to him through various means, sometimes through dreams, sometimes through the Angel Gabrielle, and sometimes through inspiration. </span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'">"Sometimes it comes to me like the ringing of a bell and that is the hardest on me, then he departs from me and I retain in memory from him what he says; and sometimes the Angel comes to me in the likeness of a man and speaks to me and I retain in memory what he says."</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Prophet Muhammad.</span></p><p> <span style="color: DarkRed">If we revealed this Quran to a mountain, you would see it trembling, crumbling, out of reverence for GOD. We cite these examples for the people, that they may reflect. Quran [59:21]</span></p><p> </p><p> <strong></strong></p><p> <strong>where did you here that it was gods guidance? </strong></p><p><strong></strong> God says in the Quran.</p><p></p><p></p><p> <span style="color: DarkRed">This is the Book (the Qur'an), whereof there is no doubt, a guidance to those who are <em>Al-Muttaqun </em>[the pious and righteous persons who fear Allah much (abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which He has forbidden) and love Allah much (perform all kinds of good deeds which He has ordained)]. (2:2)</span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: DarkRed">"You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for </span></p><p><span style="color: DarkRed">yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkRed">brain, and you are responsible for using them." (17:36) </span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: DarkRed"> </span></span></p><p> <strong></strong></p><p><strong>then muslims are very sinful people indeed.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">These are the types of comments I’d like to keep clear from. It’s an attack on a people; if you’re a true Sikh then such thoughts shouldn’t cross your mind. To a small minded person it would seem you’re giving a bad name to Sikhism but, praise be to The Almighty, I can see that this is a personal problem, Dillon and not associated to the thoughts of the majority of the Sikh faith.</span></span></p><p> </p><p> <strong>no where does sikhism guarantee salvation for sikhs themselves let alone members of other faiths, </strong></p><p><strong></strong> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">true. If I didn’t have guarantee from The Almighty for salvation then all actions could be in vain i.e. hopeless if they’re not in the remembrance and name of Allah.</span></span></p><p> </p><p> <strong></strong></p><p><strong>its about discovering god within and that will always be a subjective truth,</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center">“I <strong>looked</strong> upon every Cross, in every church, Yet He was not there. I went to the temples of India And the shrines of China Yet He was not there. I searched the mountains of Herat and Candalar Yet He was not there. I scaled the distant peak of Mount Qaf Only to find The empty nest of the Phoenix. I visited the Ka'be But He was not in that tourist site Amidst pilgrims young and old. I read the books of AvicennaBut His wisdom went beyond all the words. I went to the highest court, Within the distance of “two bow-lengths,” But He was not there. <strong>Then</strong> I <strong>looked</strong> within my own heart And there I found Him-He was nowhere else.”</p> </p><p> <p style="text-align: right"><p style="text-align: right"> Imam Rumi</p> </p><p> </p><p> It’s ironic how you’re using Islam to fight Islam, but at the same time you’re preaching Islam.</p><p> </p><p> <strong> your defintion of truth is defined differently to sikhisms </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Only one definition is True. God has not forsaken mankind to mere definitions of truth, the Truth is plain and simple.</span></span></p><p> </p><p> <strong>the path to truth in islam by way of qasims statement is that the truth or god is to be found on the outside,</strong></p><p><strong></strong> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The entire universe is <strong>inside of you</strong>. God can only be acknowledged in the heart of man because that’s where everything exists. Even when we read a physical book, we’re the ones who interpret it inside our heads. All that exists outside is an illusion which even science agrees with. Muslims don’t associate God with anything physical, don’t praise the creation praise the Creator.</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><a href="http://www.harunyahya.com/html/m_video_index.htm" target="_blank">http://www.harunyahya.com/html/m_video_index.htm</a> watch the secret beyond matter.</span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Does Sikhism have an Exoteric side?</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> <strong>ask a scientist this is not a matter of religion. </strong></p><p><strong></strong> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Do you have faith in scientists? Science can describe to you in great detail what you are seeing, but Islam prescribes to you what you’re experiencing (it gives it meaning), for only God Almighty can do such a thing.</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">“Science without religion is lame i.e. a pathetic excuse)” Albert Einstein.</span></span></p><p> </p><p> <strong></strong></p><p><strong>spiritual enlightenment is the purpose of human birth.</strong></p><p> Show me proof of this purpose.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> <strong>pride is not a problem the problem is ego these are not the same, </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The ego has pride. Pride does not belong to the soul for the soul understands the universal truth that we are all equal. The ego wants superiority over others and acts arrogantly. Even if the Truth were to be as visible as the stars pride would cast clouds over his horizon filtering his vision and make him deny it. </span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Spiritual pride suffocates the soul and detaches it from nature.</span></p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Everyone is mentioned in the Quran.</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">When you read the Quran it tells you your position, which group you’re in, you can’t escape God. </span></p><p> </p><p> He knoweth all that is in the heavens and the earth, and He knoweth what ye conceal and what ye publish. And Allah is Aware of what is in the breasts (of men).</p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span><strong>(about womens clothing) whilst i may not prefer it ultimately my argument is culturally based, </strong></p><p><strong></strong> Culture</p><p> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The totality of <strong>socially transmitted behaviour patterns</strong>, arts, <strong>beliefs</strong>, institutions, and all other products of human work and thought.</li> </ul><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">What behaviour is good is what God has permitted what is sinful is what God has made forbidden. Societies are changing across the globe following what they say is good and bad without any moral contemplation, slowly the whole world will follow one capitalist culture, so should we sit back and wave goodbye to ours? </span></p><p> </p><p> <strong></strong></p><p><strong>not all societies have men who are out to rape women</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">It’s ironic how the highest rape figures are in countries with an “open and free” culture i.e. </span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">America</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> (which is a deception in it self), however rape has existed for centuries and should be dealt with justly. Think Islam is unfair and degrading to women? Why then are most converts in the West women? Check out google video, Zakir Naik, women’s rights in Islam.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><strong> glorified slavery</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">What’s your goal in saying such a thing? Read:</span></span></p><p> He knoweth what ye conceal and what ye publish. And Allah is Aware of what is in the breasts (of men).</p><p> </p><p> <strong>is this a logical argument which islam has aided you with?</strong></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Once again you direct any faults of a person or people with Islam. That’s called small minded.</span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p> <strong>through self-realisation man can save the whole world its called enlightenment.</strong></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: DarkRed"><em>Consider the human self and He Who perfected it</em></span><em><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: DarkRed">And how He imbued it with awareness</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: DarkRed">of what is right and wrong. </span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: DarkRed">The one who helps this self to grow in a clean way</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: DarkRed">attains to happiness.</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: DarkRed"></span> <span style="color: DarkRed">The one who buries it in darkness is really lost.</span></em></p><p> </p><p> Only The Almighty can help and guide the self to self realisation for the self belongs to Him. He guides whom He Wills. You can have a thousand years experience but if you don’t have the understanding you won’t see behind the veil of your own experiences. Islam is this understanding. </p><p> <strong></strong></p><p> <strong></strong></p><p> <strong></strong></p><p><strong>if your religion satisfied your conditions then you would be in a state of submission but something inside makes you feel like saving others,</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">It is a duty of every Muslim to invite people to the Truth, it’s out of necessity as well as love. Google Video Zakir Naik Islam Hinduism debate with Ravi Shankar.</span></span></p><p> </p><p> <strong></strong></p><p> <strong>i would say your religion does have a great purpose but not to save mankind but to enslave it and glorify the slavery whith alot of rhetoric, but we wont be fooled.</strong></p><p> <strong></strong></p><p> <strong></strong> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Would you except Islam if every single one of your questions and uncertainties were to be made clear? Yes or no.</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: DarkRed"></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkRed"></span> <span style="color: DarkRed">God does not wrong people in any way; rather it is people who wrong themselves. Quran 10:44</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></p><p> <span style="color: DarkRed"></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></p><p> <strong><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Aavaw khanda da bardush karaw</span></span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Come let’s exercise our double-edged swords</span></span></em></strong></p><p> </p><p> <em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Islam is a religion of peace, the only sword it hold is that of intellect, the one that spread across the world.</span></span></em></p><p> </p><p> <strong><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Zalam da rooh noo azaadi devaw</span></span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Free the trapped souls of the tyrants</span></span></em></strong></p><p> </p><p> <em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Who is man to free a trapped soul? It is only Allah Lord of The Worlds who is in full control.</span></span></em></p><p> </p><p> <strong><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Bani inna noo mittaa na lugai</span></span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Gurbani doesn’t seem sweet to them</span></span></em></strong></p><p> </p><p> <em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The words of man can be useful but not mistaken for Absolute.</span></span></em></p><p> </p><p> <strong><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Paar khanda da japee naal marai laalkarai</span></span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">But they scream in ecstasy when embracing our double–edged swords</span></span></em></strong></p><p> </p><p> <em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Very bad consequences, so would you save mankind by killing them all? </span></span></em></p><p> </p><p> <strong><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Anaak naal takhat see vakaundei</span></span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">With pride they showed their strength</span></span></em></strong></p><p> </p><p> <em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Who are you talking about here?</span></span></em></p><p> </p><p> <strong><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Takhat naa rehi baas tukre tukre</span></span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Strength vanished, now just dismembered remains</span></span></em></strong></p><p> </p><p> <em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Good observation. It’s called death and it comes to all.</span></span></em></p><p> </p><p> <strong><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Atam noo millai phere ek mocka</span></span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Now we have given their souls another chance</span></span></em></strong></p><p> </p><p> <em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">So by killing the soul you give it another chance? Who gave you this right?</span></span></em></p><p> </p><p> <strong><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Jummeh aw jeevan jis kaye gursikha</span></span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">To be born in a life as a gursikh</span></span></em></strong></p><p> </p><p> <em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Justifying your actions. Drinking also helps.</span></span></em></p><p> </p><p> <strong><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Phere naa zalam da nazar takreh</span></span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Never again allow the glance of the tyrants</span></span></em></strong></p><p> <strong><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></strong></p><p> <strong><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></strong></p><p> <em>Romanticism is a weapon of satan.</em></p><p> </p><p> <strong><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Sareer teh rooh khanda karoo bakreh</span></span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The double-edged sword again will separate the soul from its body</span></span></em></strong></p><p> </p><p> <em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">This is pretty violent and seriously puts me off Sikhism (if this is what it preaches.)please explain the meaning and purpose of this “poem”.</span></span></em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Qasim, post: 26786, member: 2975"] [b]Re: Anti Sikh site.[/b] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]To Mr I.S. Dillon[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]My questions were related to “CaramelChocolate” comments which I thought needed tackling as statements such as “[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][FONT=Verdana]Typical Abrahamic-religion style thinking” are insulting to soooooo many people, billions (it’s bad enough to insult one person!)[B][COLOR=black]. I think you’re undermining him/her by answering questions that weren’t for you, nevertheless, I’d like to lay some ground rules for discussion between you and me because phrases like, “anytime buddy anytime!!!!!!!:}--}:” suggest to me you speak from emotion rather than from reason, (I may be wrong for only God truly knows but your replies seem rather hostile towards Islam and Muslims and lack any evidence for statements such as, “a recent invention by Islamic scholars”.) A religious discussion should not be about scoring points, it’s not a competition, it should keep pride far at bay for the souls fate rests with the Truth not pride and honour, so I respectfully ask you brother Dillon to keep insulting remarks (such as “glorified slavery”) away from this debate, I’m looking for facts and real thought provoking arguments from the Sikh community. [/COLOR][/B][/FONT] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]One other point is misinterpretation, it’s understandable that it can happen and proves how we have filtered vision and understandings of the world around us. But deliberate misinterpretations are not the ways of a respectable person. Any genuine mistakes are fine though.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B]so they became false when islam appeared? [/B] Other religions are not false because [B]remaining elements[/B] of truth still exist in them (i.e. the belief that God is One), in fact this proves that all religions come from the same source, God, unless they are completely false (i.e. scientology) (which only exist due to the Will of The Limitless). The Almighty speaks in many places of past religions and past prophets that were sent for a people for a certain time. As Muslims we are told to love and accept all prophets all religions and all books.[B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B] sikhism also appeared [/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]How did Sikhism “appear”? Were there revelations from The Almighty guiding mankind to live as Sikhs? The same God that sent revelations to mankind before Sikhism? (Show me some scripture pls)[/FONT][/COLOR] [B] and and showed how muslims strayed from gods message [/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]In the same way I can say that God shows how Sikh people have strayed from the truth even though Sikhism came after Islam. Every religion has its black sheep, people of all kinds stray from religion. The righteous exist in all religions. [/FONT][/COLOR] [B] read the sggs and you will learn what a muslim is supposed to be.[/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The sggs is a little late in telling what a muslim is supposed to be as the Quran already does this, maybe its because Sikhism “[/FONT][/COLOR]borrows” heavily from Islamic teachings? (Is this true?) [B] a recent invention by islamic scholars, [/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana](about Islam sent for the whole of mankind) [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]False. There are many places in the Quran where God speaks to mankind as a whole. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#990000][FONT=Arial][B]O mankind![/B] Worship your Lord (Allah), who has created you As well as those before you; Do so that you are saved. It is He Who has made the earth A resting-place for you, And the sky a canopy, And sent down water from above With which He brought forth fruits for your sustenance. Do not, then, set up rivals to Allah When you know (the truth). (The Qura'n 2:21-22)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=DarkRed]And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant (Muhammad), then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides God, if your (doubts) are true. [/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=DarkRed]Qur'an 2:23[/COLOR][/FONT] [B] christianity also claims to be for the whole of mankind, [/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Not in their scriptures. Jesus (p.b.u.h) was for his nation at his time. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=green]"These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: 'Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of [/COLOR][COLOR=green]Israel[/COLOR][COLOR=green].' [/COLOR][COLOR=blue](From the NIV Bible, Matthew 10:5-6)[/COLOR][COLOR=green]" [/COLOR] [COLOR=green] [/COLOR] [COLOR=green]"He (Jesus) answered, 'I was sent only to the lost sheep of [/COLOR][COLOR=green]Israel[/COLOR][COLOR=green].'[/COLOR] [COLOR=blue](From the NIV Bible, Matthew [/COLOR][COLOR=blue]15:24[/COLOR][COLOR=blue])[/COLOR][COLOR=green]"[/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Even the Bible prophesises the coming of the final Messenger for the whole of mankind, Muhammad (p.b.u.h) [URL="http://jamaat.net/deedat.htm"]http://jamaat.net/deedat.htm[/URL]. So does the jewish scripture and hindu scriptures. Dr Zakir Naik, Islam and Hindusim debate on google video. [/FONT][/COLOR] [B] the quote you used from the koran about messengers sent to different tribes does not mean that those tribes could not spread the same message to all and sundry.[/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I didn’t use a quote from the Quran in my last post. But here’s one,[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red]"[B]Mankind was one single nation,[/B] and God sent Messengers with glad tidings and warnings; and with them He sent the Book in truth, to judge between people in matters wherein they differed; but the People of the Book, after the clear Signs came to them, did not differ among themselves, except through selfish contumacy. God by His Grace Guided the believers to the Truth, concerning that wherein they differed. For God guided whom He will to a path that is straight. [/COLOR][COLOR=blue](The Noble Quran, 2:213)[/COLOR][COLOR=red]"[/COLOR] [B]sikhism still isnt a religion sikhism is sikhism their is no paralell [/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]What is Sikhism then? Isn’t it a compilation of Hinduism and Islam, and an attempt to join the two? [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] This is the definition of religion,[/FONT][/COLOR] [B]a. [/B]Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe. [B]b. [/B]A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship. [B]2. [/B]The life or condition of a person in a religious order. [B]3. [/B]A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader. [B]4. [/B]A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion. ([url]http://www.thefreedictionary.com/[/url]) doesn't this make Sikhism a religion?[B] it is the only direct revelation from god (something which can never be rebuked) compiled by the pen of the guru, no angels and no devtas were involved [/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Contradiction: Direct revelation from God – compiled by the pen of the Guru. Don’t believe in Angels or the Unseen? [/FONT][/COLOR] [16:8] ...and He creates other things beyond your knowledge... [24:45] ...Allah creates what He wills... He knows what you know not. [B]god made sure he did the job well [/B] [FONT=Verdana] “God made sure?” This is not the God of Islam, He doesn’t make sure of anything, [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana] [/FONT] [41:39] "...For He (Allah) has power over all things." [3:47] "...when He has decreed a matter, He only says to it, 'Be', and it is." [B] their is no parallel in the world history if you know of one then bring forward the proof and we will discuss it.[/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] I can write a book and call it unique, but is it the Truth? Tell me, what is parallel in world history? The answer is nothing is.[/FONT][/COLOR] [B] angel gabrielle was not god and koran was also compiled in the hearts and minds of the companions [/B] [FONT=Arial]The Quran was revealed to Muhammad (p.b.u.h) over a period of 23 years. The revelations came to him through various means, sometimes through dreams, sometimes through the Angel Gabrielle, and sometimes through inspiration. [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]"Sometimes it comes to me like the ringing of a bell and that is the hardest on me, then he departs from me and I retain in memory from him what he says; and sometimes the Angel comes to me in the likeness of a man and speaks to me and I retain in memory what he says."[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Prophet Muhammad.[/FONT][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=DarkRed]If we revealed this Quran to a mountain, you would see it trembling, crumbling, out of reverence for GOD. We cite these examples for the people, that they may reflect. Quran [59:21][/COLOR] [B] where did you here that it was gods guidance? [/B] God says in the Quran. [COLOR=DarkRed]This is the Book (the Qur'an), whereof there is no doubt, a guidance to those who are [I]Al-Muttaqun [/I][the pious and righteous persons who fear Allah much (abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which He has forbidden) and love Allah much (perform all kinds of good deeds which He has ordained)]. (2:2)[/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkRed] [/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkRed]"You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them." (17:36) [/COLOR][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=DarkRed] [/COLOR][/FONT] [B] then muslims are very sinful people indeed. [/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]These are the types of comments I’d like to keep clear from. It’s an attack on a people; if you’re a true Sikh then such thoughts shouldn’t cross your mind. To a small minded person it would seem you’re giving a bad name to Sikhism but, praise be to The Almighty, I can see that this is a personal problem, Dillon and not associated to the thoughts of the majority of the Sikh faith.[/FONT][/COLOR] [B]no where does sikhism guarantee salvation for sikhs themselves let alone members of other faiths, [/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]true. If I didn’t have guarantee from The Almighty for salvation then all actions could be in vain i.e. hopeless if they’re not in the remembrance and name of Allah.[/FONT][/COLOR] [B] its about discovering god within and that will always be a subjective truth, [/B] [CENTER][CENTER]“I [B]looked[/B] upon every Cross, in every church, Yet He was not there. I went to the temples of India And the shrines of China Yet He was not there. I searched the mountains of Herat and Candalar Yet He was not there. I scaled the distant peak of Mount Qaf Only to find The empty nest of the Phoenix. I visited the Ka'be But He was not in that tourist site Amidst pilgrims young and old. I read the books of AvicennaBut His wisdom went beyond all the words. I went to the highest court, Within the distance of “two bow-lengths,” But He was not there. [B]Then[/B] I [B]looked[/B] within my own heart And there I found Him-He was nowhere else.”[/CENTER][/CENTER] [RIGHT][RIGHT] Imam Rumi[/RIGHT][/RIGHT] It’s ironic how you’re using Islam to fight Islam, but at the same time you’re preaching Islam. [B] your defintion of truth is defined differently to sikhisms [/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Only one definition is True. God has not forsaken mankind to mere definitions of truth, the Truth is plain and simple.[/FONT][/COLOR] [B]the path to truth in islam by way of qasims statement is that the truth or god is to be found on the outside, [/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] The entire universe is [B]inside of you[/B]. God can only be acknowledged in the heart of man because that’s where everything exists. Even when we read a physical book, we’re the ones who interpret it inside our heads. All that exists outside is an illusion which even science agrees with. Muslims don’t associate God with anything physical, don’t praise the creation praise the Creator.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][URL="http://www.harunyahya.com/html/m_video_index.htm"]http://www.harunyahya.com/html/m_video_index.htm[/URL] watch the secret beyond matter.[/FONT][/COLOR] Does Sikhism have an Exoteric side? [B]ask a scientist this is not a matter of religion. [/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Do you have faith in scientists? Science can describe to you in great detail what you are seeing, but Islam prescribes to you what you’re experiencing (it gives it meaning), for only God Almighty can do such a thing.[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]“Science without religion is lame i.e. a pathetic excuse)” Albert Einstein.[/FONT][/COLOR] [B] spiritual enlightenment is the purpose of human birth.[/B] Show me proof of this purpose. [B]pride is not a problem the problem is ego these are not the same, [/B] [FONT=Verdana]The ego has pride. Pride does not belong to the soul for the soul understands the universal truth that we are all equal. The ego wants superiority over others and acts arrogantly. Even if the Truth were to be as visible as the stars pride would cast clouds over his horizon filtering his vision and make him deny it. [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Spiritual pride suffocates the soul and detaches it from nature.[/FONT] [B][FONT=Verdana]Everyone is mentioned in the Quran.[/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/B] [FONT=Verdana]When you read the Quran it tells you your position, which group you’re in, you can’t escape God. [/FONT] He knoweth all that is in the heavens and the earth, and He knoweth what ye conceal and what ye publish. And Allah is Aware of what is in the breasts (of men). [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][/FONT][B](about womens clothing) whilst i may not prefer it ultimately my argument is culturally based, [/B] Culture [LIST] [*]The totality of [B]socially transmitted behaviour patterns[/B], arts, [B]beliefs[/B], institutions, and all other products of human work and thought. [/LIST] [FONT=Verdana]What behaviour is good is what God has permitted what is sinful is what God has made forbidden. Societies are changing across the globe following what they say is good and bad without any moral contemplation, slowly the whole world will follow one capitalist culture, so should we sit back and wave goodbye to ours? [/FONT] [B] not all societies have men who are out to rape women [/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]It’s ironic how the highest rape figures are in countries with an “open and free” culture i.e. [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]America[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] (which is a deception in it self), however rape has existed for centuries and should be dealt with justly. Think Islam is unfair and degrading to women? Why then are most converts in the West women? Check out google video, Zakir Naik, women’s rights in Islam.[/FONT][/COLOR] [B] glorified slavery [/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]What’s your goal in saying such a thing? Read:[/FONT][/COLOR] He knoweth what ye conceal and what ye publish. And Allah is Aware of what is in the breasts (of men). [B]is this a logical argument which islam has aided you with?[/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Once again you direct any faults of a person or people with Islam. That’s called small minded.[/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][/FONT] [B]through self-realisation man can save the whole world its called enlightenment.[/B] [COLOR=DarkRed][I]Consider the human self and He Who perfected it[/I][/COLOR][I][COLOR=DarkRed] And how He imbued it with awareness of what is right and wrong. The one who helps this self to grow in a clean way attains to happiness. [/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkRed]The one who buries it in darkness is really lost.[/COLOR][/I] Only The Almighty can help and guide the self to self realisation for the self belongs to Him. He guides whom He Wills. You can have a thousand years experience but if you don’t have the understanding you won’t see behind the veil of your own experiences. Islam is this understanding. [B] if your religion satisfied your conditions then you would be in a state of submission but something inside makes you feel like saving others, [/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]It is a duty of every Muslim to invite people to the Truth, it’s out of necessity as well as love. Google Video Zakir Naik Islam Hinduism debate with Ravi Shankar.[/FONT][/COLOR] [B] i would say your religion does have a great purpose but not to save mankind but to enslave it and glorify the slavery whith alot of rhetoric, but we wont be fooled. [/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Would you except Islam if every single one of your questions and uncertainties were to be made clear? Yes or no.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkRed] [/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkRed]God does not wrong people in any way; rather it is people who wrong themselves. Quran 10:44 [/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkRed] [/COLOR] [B][I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Aavaw khanda da bardush karaw Come let’s exercise our double-edged swords[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B] [I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Islam is a religion of peace, the only sword it hold is that of intellect, the one that spread across the world.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [B][I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Zalam da rooh noo azaadi devaw Free the trapped souls of the tyrants[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B] [I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Who is man to free a trapped soul? It is only Allah Lord of The Worlds who is in full control.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [B][I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Bani inna noo mittaa na lugai Gurbani doesn’t seem sweet to them[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B] [B][I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B] [I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The words of man can be useful but not mistaken for Absolute.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [B][I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Paar khanda da japee naal marai laalkarai But they scream in ecstasy when embracing our double–edged swords[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B] [I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Very bad consequences, so would you save mankind by killing them all? [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [B][I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Anaak naal takhat see vakaundei With pride they showed their strength[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B] [I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Who are you talking about here?[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [B][I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Takhat naa rehi baas tukre tukre Strength vanished, now just dismembered remains[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B] [I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Good observation. It’s called death and it comes to all.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [B][I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Atam noo millai phere ek mocka Now we have given their souls another chance[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B] [I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]So by killing the soul you give it another chance? Who gave you this right?[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [B][I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Jummeh aw jeevan jis kaye gursikha To be born in a life as a gursikh[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B] [B][I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B] [I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Justifying your actions. Drinking also helps.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [B][I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B] [B][I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Phere naa zalam da nazar takreh Never again allow the glance of the tyrants [/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B] [I]Romanticism is a weapon of satan.[/I] [B][I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Sareer teh rooh khanda karoo bakreh The double-edged sword again will separate the soul from its body[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B] [B][I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B] [I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]This is pretty violent and seriously puts me off Sikhism (if this is what it preaches.)please explain the meaning and purpose of this “poem”.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [/QUOTE]
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