- Jun 30, 2004
- Henderson, NV.
I feel your frustration laced with guilt because of not being able to do what you were asked.Thank you. I had tried a few other sites a long time ago (SikhNet being the one I can remember) and unfortunately found the same phenomenon as you do everywhere else on the web, which is people feeling more free to be abusive than they would in real life since they are not facing you and won't have to suffer a tight slap LOL. However, one one of them, unfortunately the name of which I cannot remember, I met a guy who was extremely nice, and he actually taught me via email video a better way to tie my dastar, a way which I have continued to this day; something for which I will always be grateful. I have had enough experiences to come to the conclusion that when you are dealing with people who claim to be Sikh that they are either very humble, kind, and helpful or are arrogant and egotistical. Maybe the latter is because we are so used to being abused that a lot of us puff up our feathers to compensate for it. However, when I found this site I was rather confused by its name. My understanding of "philosophy" is coming up with a premise and defending it with proof and debate. I don't understand how Sikhi is open to debate. Gurmat is Gurmat and SGGSJ and Rehat Maryada are very clear and self-explanatory. I am very new here and have asked only a handful of questions, one asking clarification of a rule in RM, the others asking for practical advice, as I believe that in Sikhi it is a question of how to do what is required, not a question if it should be done at all. I thought I could get advice from people with more Sikhi education than I--and few times I have--since this is for the time being the only place I am aware of where Sikhs can congregate online.
I did do the 30 minute earlier until you get used to it technique, and I got myself to 4am with no problems and feeling very excited to do my routine. It's just that in the past few weeks I have been having the difficulties with waking up and functioning. I suppose my diet is ok. Amritdharis are required to be vegetarian, and I eat a lot of protein in the form of beans, fresh vegetables and fruit and a bit of milk as well as take a multivitamin. Frankly, I am coming to the conclusion that I need to go to bed even earlier than I have been. I am hardwired to be a night owl, and going to bed by 8 or 9 is a real challenge for me, especially when I have to recite Rehras and Kirtan Sohila back to back LOL.
Thank you for your thoughts and words.
If you had shared with us where you had taken khandei de pahul and these things you are ordered to do, then this discussion would have been more fruitful rather than an antagonist kind as we are having it.
It is also interesting to notice that you wanted to know practicality about your morning ritual and when asked what Amritvela and Simran meant, all hell broke loose where I was accused of not helping the “newbies” and was being dismissive, both of them are false accusations.
I know you talk about respecting SRM and I have been trying to convince The honchos for its changes as it does not depict many Gurmat values. I even wrote an article about it here. You may find that interesting, perhaps.
You also mentioned that Amritdharis are supposed to be vegetarian which shows that you took Amrit from some cult because SRM, the one you respect and try to follow doesn’t prohibit meat because Gurbani says that even a leaf is brimming with life. There is a long thread here which has its title from Gurbani, Fools Who Wrangle Over Flesh l would urge you to read it and understand what Gurbani talks about meat and life in general.
Do you see you own self-contradiction where you reject parts of SRM?
How do you deal with this dilemma?
Don’t you think you can adjust your life in the framework of Sikhi in order not to feel guilty for not able to get up early? The reason being, Sikhi is not founded on guilt but on equality and justice for all. In other words, Sikhi is the gateway to freedom of thought and deeds.
I get up at 2:30 am to go for a walk in the hot Las Vegas weather.
Lastly, I would like to apologise to you and Rick if you felt offended by my comments.
SPN is the site that welcomes all, does not moderate posts. This kind of freedom of speech and thought should not be moderated nor censored as per Sikhi values and that is our goal here.
As we are not perfect, we all end up stepping on each other’s toes, the price of freedom, I guess.
Anyone of you can become moderators and help others. We are always in need of Sevadaars so we can help each other.
Fools Who Wrangle Over Flesh