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<blockquote data-quote="Harry Haller" data-source="post: 163460" data-attributes="member: 14641"><p>Ambarsariaji, </p><p></p><p>I do not think any of these descriptions give true justice to the way I feel. Our 'church' lacks leadership and direction, and to be honest, I am not hugely sure what it stands for anymore. I do not reject any article of faith, although the third option seems slightly more appropriate. </p><p></p><p>The phrase 'able to choose' could equally apply to those that would try and dilute sikhism by, to quote Gyaniji, flouting their baldyness or drinking. To cut hair or drink is a personal choice and completely between you and God, to encourage others to do so and attempt to validate it is another thing. For the record I do both, and both hinder me to the state I would like to embrace. </p><p></p><p>No ji, I am the type of heretic that does not wish to follow blindly the rest of the herd. Maybe it is the objective of every Sikh to find the truth, but as I am unaware of anyone that has actually found the truth, which is unsurprising, as SGGS states that </p><p>(my own interpretation in blue)</p><p></p><p>ਮੰਨੇ ਕੀ ਗਤਿ ਕਹੀ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥</p><p>The state of the faithful cannot be described.</p><p><span style="color: Blue">If one attempts to tell you the way, clearly he is a liar</span></p><p></p><p> ਕੋ ਕਹੈ ਪਿਛੈ ਪਛੁਤਾਇ ॥</p><p> One who tries to describe this shall regret the attempt.</p><p><span style="color: blue">So clearly one who has no regrets attempting this, and gets a nice lifestyle and cars out of the deal, is not doing a great job, or has no knowledge to share</span></p><p><span style="color: blue"></span></p><p></p><p>ਕਾਗਦਿ ਕਲਮ ਨ ਲਿਖਣਹਾਰੁ </p><p> No paper, no pen, no scribe</p><p>ਮੰਨੇ ਕਾ ਬਹਿ ਕਰਨਿ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ </p><p> can record the state of the faithful.</p><p><span style="color: blue">It is clearly impossible for any person, once enlightened to share what he has</span></p><p><span style="color: blue"></span></p><p></p><p>ਐਸਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨੁ ਹੋਇ </p><p> Such is the Name of the Immaculate Lord.</p><p>ਜੇ ਕੋ ਮੰਨਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਮਨਿ ਕੋਇ ॥੧੨॥</p><p> ||12|| Only one who has faith comes to know such a state of mind. ||12||</p><p><span style="color: blue">By following Hukam one finds this state</span></p><p></p><p>ਮੰਨੈ ਸੁਰਤਿ ਹੋਵੈ ਮਨਿ ਬੁਧਿ ॥</p><p> The faithful have intuitive awareness and intelligence.</p><p>ਮੰਨੈ ਸਗਲ ਭਵਣ ਕੀ ਸੁਧਿ ॥</p><p>. The faithful know about all worlds and realms.</p><p>ਮੰਨੈ ਮੁਹਿ ਚੋਟਾ ਨਾ ਖਾਇ </p><p>. The faithful shall never be struck across the face.</p><p>ਮੰਨੈ ਜਮ ਕੈ ਸਾਥਿ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥</p><p> The faithful do not have to go with the Messenger of Death.</p><p>ਐਸਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨੁ ਹੋਇ </p><p><span style="color: blue">One who has found this state is truly enlightened</span></p><p><span style="color: blue"></span></p><p>. Such is the Name of the Immaculate Lord.</p><p>ਜੇ ਕੋ ਮੰਨਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਮਨਿ ਕੋਇ ॥੧੩॥</p><p>||13|| Only one who has faith comes to know such a state of mind. ||13||</p><p>ਮੰਨੈ ਮਾਰਗਿ ਠਾਕ ਨ ਪਾਇ ॥ </p><p>The path of the faithful shall never be blocked.</p><p>ਮੰਨੈ ਪਤਿ ਸਿਉ ਪਰਗਟੁ ਜਾਇ ॥</p><p>. The faithful shall depart with honor and fame.</p><p>ਮੰਨੈ ਮਗੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਪੰਥੁ ॥</p><p> The faithful do not follow empty religious rituals.</p><p><span style="color: blue">This is one facet, I believe that truly describes those enlightened, if it feels empty, if it feels ritualistic, if it has no point, it is not worth doing, be it Kesh, path, anything, do it with love, or don't bother</span></p><p><span style="color: blue"></span></p><p></p><p>ਮੰਨੈ ਧਰਮ ਸੇਤੀ ਸਨਬੰਧੁ ॥ </p><p> The faithful are firmly bound to the Dharma.</p><p>ਐਸਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨੁ ਹੋਇ ॥</p><p>Such is the Name of the Immaculate Lord.</p><p>ਜੇ ਕੋ ਮੰਨਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਮਨਿ ਕੋਇ ॥੧੪॥</p><p> ||14|| Only one who has faith comes to know such a state of mind. ||14||</p><p>ਮੰਨੈ ਪਾਵਹਿ ਮੋਖੁ ਦੁਆਰੁ ॥</p><p>. The faithful find the Door of Liberation.</p><p>ਮੰਨੈ ਪਰਵਾਰੈ ਸਾਧਾਰੁ </p><p>The faithful uplift and redeem their family and relations.</p><p><span style="color: blue">They do not do this by preaching, they do it by action, they do not try and convert, they are sewadars to the world</span></p><p></p><p>ਮੰਨੈ ਤਰੈ ਤਾਰੇ ਗੁਰੁ ਸਿਖ </p><p>. The faithful are saved, and carried across with the Sikhs of the Guru.</p><p>ਮੰਨੈ ਨਾਨਕ ਭਵਹਿ ਨ ਭਿਖ ॥</p><p>. The faithful, O Nanak, do not wander around begging.</p><p><span style="color: blue">But even by finding enlightenment, one still has to earn a living, use your brain, use your intellect, there is no shame in economic success, use this good fortune to assist, rather than walking round begging and borrowing</span></p><p></p><p>ਐਸਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨੁ ਹੋਇ ॥</p><p>. Such is the Name of the Immaculate Lord.</p><p>ਜੇ ਕੋ ਮੰਨਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਮਨਿ ਕੋਇ ॥੧੫॥</p><p> ||15|| Only one who has faith comes to know such a state of mind. ||15||</p><p>ਪੰਚ ਪਰਵਾਣ ਪੰਚ ਪਰਧਾਨੁ ॥</p><p>The chosen ones, the self-elect, are accepted and approved.</p><p>ਪੰਚੇ ਪਾਵਹਿ ਦਰਗਹਿ ਮਾਨੁ ॥</p><p> The chosen ones are honored in the Court of the Lord.</p><p>ਪੰਚੇ ਸੋਹਹਿ ਦਰਿ ਰਾਜਾਨੁ ॥</p><p> The chosen ones look beautiful in the courts of kings.</p><p>ਪੰਚਾ ਕਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਏਕੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ॥ </p><p>The chosen ones meditate single-mindedly on the Guru.</p><p>ਜੇ ਕੋ ਕਹੈ ਕਰੈ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ ॥</p><p> No matter how much anyone tries to explain and describe them,</p><p>ਕਰਤੇ ਕੈ ਕਰਣੈ ਨਾਹੀ ਸੁਮਾਰੁ </p><p> the actions of the Creator cannot be counted.</p><p><span style="color: blue">So clearly it is up to each and every one of us to find this path, to ask questions, to answer questions, to keep asking, keep learning until all avenues are exhausted, and enlightenment shines like a big shiny thing. </span></p><p></p><p></p><p>I therefore have the hugest respect for anyone who puts themself on a pedestal and questions established ways, not in the hope of being lauded, but knowing full well they will be derided, they will have their turbans whacked off, they will be harassed, they are the ants looking for sugar, and they are always the ones that regret trying to describe the truth. </p><p></p><p>Moral of the story, listen to those who are facing an avalanche of shoes, and see those in big cars and mansions for what they are</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harry Haller, post: 163460, member: 14641"] Ambarsariaji, I do not think any of these descriptions give true justice to the way I feel. Our 'church' lacks leadership and direction, and to be honest, I am not hugely sure what it stands for anymore. I do not reject any article of faith, although the third option seems slightly more appropriate. The phrase 'able to choose' could equally apply to those that would try and dilute sikhism by, to quote Gyaniji, flouting their baldyness or drinking. To cut hair or drink is a personal choice and completely between you and God, to encourage others to do so and attempt to validate it is another thing. For the record I do both, and both hinder me to the state I would like to embrace. No ji, I am the type of heretic that does not wish to follow blindly the rest of the herd. Maybe it is the objective of every Sikh to find the truth, but as I am unaware of anyone that has actually found the truth, which is unsurprising, as SGGS states that (my own interpretation in blue) ਮੰਨੇ ਕੀ ਗਤਿ ਕਹੀ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥ The state of the faithful cannot be described. [COLOR="Blue"]If one attempts to tell you the way, clearly he is a liar[/COLOR] ਕੋ ਕਹੈ ਪਿਛੈ ਪਛੁਤਾਇ ॥ One who tries to describe this shall regret the attempt. [COLOR="blue"]So clearly one who has no regrets attempting this, and gets a nice lifestyle and cars out of the deal, is not doing a great job, or has no knowledge to share [/COLOR] ਕਾਗਦਿ ਕਲਮ ਨ ਲਿਖਣਹਾਰੁ No paper, no pen, no scribe ਮੰਨੇ ਕਾ ਬਹਿ ਕਰਨਿ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ can record the state of the faithful. [COLOR="blue"]It is clearly impossible for any person, once enlightened to share what he has [/COLOR] ਐਸਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨੁ ਹੋਇ Such is the Name of the Immaculate Lord. ਜੇ ਕੋ ਮੰਨਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਮਨਿ ਕੋਇ ॥੧੨॥ ||12|| Only one who has faith comes to know such a state of mind. ||12|| [COLOR="blue"]By following Hukam one finds this state[/COLOR] ਮੰਨੈ ਸੁਰਤਿ ਹੋਵੈ ਮਨਿ ਬੁਧਿ ॥ The faithful have intuitive awareness and intelligence. ਮੰਨੈ ਸਗਲ ਭਵਣ ਕੀ ਸੁਧਿ ॥ . The faithful know about all worlds and realms. ਮੰਨੈ ਮੁਹਿ ਚੋਟਾ ਨਾ ਖਾਇ . The faithful shall never be struck across the face. ਮੰਨੈ ਜਮ ਕੈ ਸਾਥਿ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥ The faithful do not have to go with the Messenger of Death. ਐਸਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨੁ ਹੋਇ [COLOR="blue"]One who has found this state is truly enlightened [/COLOR] . Such is the Name of the Immaculate Lord. ਜੇ ਕੋ ਮੰਨਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਮਨਿ ਕੋਇ ॥੧੩॥ ||13|| Only one who has faith comes to know such a state of mind. ||13|| ਮੰਨੈ ਮਾਰਗਿ ਠਾਕ ਨ ਪਾਇ ॥ The path of the faithful shall never be blocked. ਮੰਨੈ ਪਤਿ ਸਿਉ ਪਰਗਟੁ ਜਾਇ ॥ . The faithful shall depart with honor and fame. ਮੰਨੈ ਮਗੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਪੰਥੁ ॥ The faithful do not follow empty religious rituals. [COLOR="blue"]This is one facet, I believe that truly describes those enlightened, if it feels empty, if it feels ritualistic, if it has no point, it is not worth doing, be it Kesh, path, anything, do it with love, or don't bother [/COLOR] ਮੰਨੈ ਧਰਮ ਸੇਤੀ ਸਨਬੰਧੁ ॥ The faithful are firmly bound to the Dharma. ਐਸਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨੁ ਹੋਇ ॥ Such is the Name of the Immaculate Lord. ਜੇ ਕੋ ਮੰਨਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਮਨਿ ਕੋਇ ॥੧੪॥ ||14|| Only one who has faith comes to know such a state of mind. ||14|| ਮੰਨੈ ਪਾਵਹਿ ਮੋਖੁ ਦੁਆਰੁ ॥ . The faithful find the Door of Liberation. ਮੰਨੈ ਪਰਵਾਰੈ ਸਾਧਾਰੁ The faithful uplift and redeem their family and relations. [COLOR="blue"]They do not do this by preaching, they do it by action, they do not try and convert, they are sewadars to the world[/COLOR] ਮੰਨੈ ਤਰੈ ਤਾਰੇ ਗੁਰੁ ਸਿਖ . The faithful are saved, and carried across with the Sikhs of the Guru. ਮੰਨੈ ਨਾਨਕ ਭਵਹਿ ਨ ਭਿਖ ॥ . The faithful, O Nanak, do not wander around begging. [COLOR="blue"]But even by finding enlightenment, one still has to earn a living, use your brain, use your intellect, there is no shame in economic success, use this good fortune to assist, rather than walking round begging and borrowing[/COLOR] ਐਸਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨੁ ਹੋਇ ॥ . Such is the Name of the Immaculate Lord. ਜੇ ਕੋ ਮੰਨਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਮਨਿ ਕੋਇ ॥੧੫॥ ||15|| Only one who has faith comes to know such a state of mind. ||15|| ਪੰਚ ਪਰਵਾਣ ਪੰਚ ਪਰਧਾਨੁ ॥ The chosen ones, the self-elect, are accepted and approved. ਪੰਚੇ ਪਾਵਹਿ ਦਰਗਹਿ ਮਾਨੁ ॥ The chosen ones are honored in the Court of the Lord. ਪੰਚੇ ਸੋਹਹਿ ਦਰਿ ਰਾਜਾਨੁ ॥ The chosen ones look beautiful in the courts of kings. ਪੰਚਾ ਕਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਏਕੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ॥ The chosen ones meditate single-mindedly on the Guru. ਜੇ ਕੋ ਕਹੈ ਕਰੈ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ ॥ No matter how much anyone tries to explain and describe them, ਕਰਤੇ ਕੈ ਕਰਣੈ ਨਾਹੀ ਸੁਮਾਰੁ the actions of the Creator cannot be counted. [COLOR="blue"]So clearly it is up to each and every one of us to find this path, to ask questions, to answer questions, to keep asking, keep learning until all avenues are exhausted, and enlightenment shines like a big shiny thing. [/COLOR] I therefore have the hugest respect for anyone who puts themself on a pedestal and questions established ways, not in the hope of being lauded, but knowing full well they will be derided, they will have their turbans whacked off, they will be harassed, they are the ants looking for sugar, and they are always the ones that regret trying to describe the truth. Moral of the story, listen to those who are facing an avalanche of shoes, and see those in big cars and mansions for what they are [/QUOTE]
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