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<blockquote data-quote="Scarlet Pimpernel" data-source="post: 148099" data-attributes="member: 15651"><p>Dear Gyani Ji ,Finding my way Ji</p><p> </p><p>Visa Vee Sin, I looked up english translation of "sinner" as in for example "purifier of the sinners" and there were over two hundred entries ,I have posted a few,and most of the instruction against alcohol was referring to the drunk (to alcohol abuse) rather than medicinal or social utility . <TABLE cellSpacing=25 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #0068cf"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=252&english=t&id=11036#l11036" target="_blank"><u>Page 252, Line 9</u></a></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">ਅਹੰਬੁਧਿ ਮਾਇਆ ਮਦ ਮਾਤੇ ॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">अह्मबुधि माइआ मद माते ॥</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">Ahaʼn▫buḏẖ mā▫i▫ā maḏ māṯe.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">they are <strong><span style="color: #ab5555">drunk</span></strong> with the wine of egotistical intellect and Maya.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: green"><strong>Guru Arjan Dev</strong></span>- [SIZE=-1]<span style="color: #0068cf"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=252&L=9&id=11036" target="_blank"><u>view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</u></a></span>[/SIZE]</p><p></TD></TR><TR><TD><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #0068cf"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=311&english=t&id=14223#l14223" target="_blank"><u>Page 311, Line 11</u></a></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">ਓਹ ਆਲੁ ਪਤਾਲੁ ਮੁਹਹੁ ਬੋਲਦੇ ਜਿਉ ਪੀਤੈ ਮਦਿ ਮਤਵਾਲੇ ॥੧੯॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">ओह आलु पतालु मुहहु बोलदे जिउ पीतै मदि मतवाले ॥१९॥</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">Oh āl paṯāl muhhu bolḏe ji▫o pīṯai maḏ maṯvāle. ||19||</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">With their mouths, they babble on about this and that, like the <strong><span style="color: #ab5555">drunk</span></strong>ard who has drunk his wine. ||19||</span></span></p><p><span style="color: green"><strong>Guru Ram Das</strong></span>- [SIZE=-1]<span style="color: #0068cf"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=311&L=11&id=14223" target="_blank"><u>view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</u></a></span>[/SIZE]</p><p></TD></TR><TR><TD><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #0068cf"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=351&english=t&id=16075#l16075" target="_blank"><u>Page 351, Line 8</u></a></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">ਮਨ ਕੀ ਮਤਿ ਮਤਾਗਲੁ ਮਤਾ ॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">मन की मति मतागलु मता ॥</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">Man kī maṯ maṯāgal maṯā.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">The intellect of the mind is like a <strong><span style="color: #ab5555">drunk</span></strong>en elephant.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: green"><strong>Guru Nanak Dev</strong></span>- [SIZE=-1]<span style="color: #0068cf"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=351&L=8&id=16075" target="_blank"><u>view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</u></a></span>[/SIZE]</p><p></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1231&english=t&id=52947#l52947" target="_blank"><u><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #0068cf">Page 1231, Line 5</span></span></u></a></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: black">ਤੀਨਿ ਭਉਨੇ ਲਪਟਾਇ ਰਹੀ ਕਾਚ ਕਰਮਿ ਨ ਜਾਤ ਸਹੀ ਉਨਮਤ ਅੰਧ ਧੰਧ ਰਚਿਤ ਜੈਸੇ ਮਹਾ ਸਾਗਰ ਹੋਹੇ ॥੧॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">तीनि भउने लपटाइ रही काच करमि न जात सही उनमत अंध धंध रचित जैसे महा सागर होहे ॥१॥</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">Ŧīn bẖa▫une laptā▫e rahī kācẖ karam na jāṯ sahī unmaṯ anḏẖ ḏẖanḏẖ racẖiṯ jaise mahā sāgar hohe. ||1||</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">Maya clings to the three worlds; those who are stuck in wrong actions cannot escape her. <strong><span style="color: #ab5555">Drunk</span></strong> and engrossed in blind worldly affairs, they are tossed about on the mighty ocean. ||1||<TABLE cellSpacing=25 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #0068cf"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=914&english=t&id=39197#l39197" target="_blank"><u>Page 914, Line 4</u></a></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">ਕਾਹੂ ਬਿਹਾਵੈ ਅਮਲੀ ਹੂਆ ॥</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">काहू बिहावै अमली हूआ ॥</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">Kāhū bihāvai amlī hū▫ā.</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">Some pass their lives getting <strong><span style="color: #ab5555">drunk</span></strong>.</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: green"><strong>Guru Arjan Dev</strong></span>- [SIZE=-1]<span style="color: #0068cf"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=914&L=4&id=39197" target="_blank"><u>view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</u></a></span></span></span><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></TD></TR><TR><TD><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #0068cf"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=971&english=t&id=41700#l41700" target="_blank"><u>Page 971, Line 4</u></a></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">ਲੰਪਟ ਚੋਰ ਦੂਤ ਮਤਵਾਰੇ ਤਿਨ ਸੰਗਿ ਸਦਾ ਬਸੇਰਾ ॥੩॥</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">ल्मपट चोर दूत मतवारे तिन संगि सदा बसेरा ॥३॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">Lampat cẖor ḏūṯ maṯvāre ṯin sang saḏā baserā. ||3||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black"><strong><span style="color: #ab5555">Drunk</span></strong>ards, thieves, and evil-doers - I constantly dwell with them. ||3||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="color: green"><strong>Devotee Kabir</strong></span>- [SIZE=-1]<span style="color: #0068cf"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=971&L=4&id=41700" target="_blank"><u>view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</u></a></span>[/SIZE]</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></span>[/SIZE]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scarlet Pimpernel, post: 148099, member: 15651"] Dear Gyani Ji ,Finding my way Ji Visa Vee Sin, I looked up english translation of "sinner" as in for example "purifier of the sinners" and there were over two hundred entries ,I have posted a few,and most of the instruction against alcohol was referring to the drunk (to alcohol abuse) rather than medicinal or social utility . <TABLE cellSpacing=25 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD>[SIZE=1][COLOR=#0068cf][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=252&english=t&id=11036#l11036"][U]Page 252, Line 9[/U][/URL][/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=black]ਅਹੰਬੁਧਿ ਮਾਇਆ ਮਦ ਮਾਤੇ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]अह्मबुधि माइआ मद माते ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]Ahaʼn▫buḏẖ mā▫i▫ā maḏ māṯe.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]they are [B][COLOR=#ab5555]drunk[/COLOR][/B] with the wine of egotistical intellect and Maya.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=green][B]Guru Arjan Dev[/B][/COLOR]- [SIZE=-1][COLOR=#0068cf][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=252&L=9&id=11036"][U]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok[/U][/URL][/COLOR][/SIZE] </TD></TR><TR><TD>[SIZE=1][COLOR=#0068cf][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=311&english=t&id=14223#l14223"][U]Page 311, Line 11[/U][/URL][/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=black]ਓਹ ਆਲੁ ਪਤਾਲੁ ਮੁਹਹੁ ਬੋਲਦੇ ਜਿਉ ਪੀਤੈ ਮਦਿ ਮਤਵਾਲੇ ॥੧੯॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]ओह आलु पतालु मुहहु बोलदे जिउ पीतै मदि मतवाले ॥१९॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]Oh āl paṯāl muhhu bolḏe ji▫o pīṯai maḏ maṯvāle. ||19||[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]With their mouths, they babble on about this and that, like the [B][COLOR=#ab5555]drunk[/COLOR][/B]ard who has drunk his wine. ||19||[/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=green][B]Guru Ram Das[/B][/COLOR]- [SIZE=-1][COLOR=#0068cf][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=311&L=11&id=14223"][U]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok[/U][/URL][/COLOR][/SIZE] </TD></TR><TR><TD>[SIZE=1][COLOR=#0068cf][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=351&english=t&id=16075#l16075"][U]Page 351, Line 8[/U][/URL][/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=black]ਮਨ ਕੀ ਮਤਿ ਮਤਾਗਲੁ ਮਤਾ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]मन की मति मतागलु मता ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]Man kī maṯ maṯāgal maṯā.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]The intellect of the mind is like a [B][COLOR=#ab5555]drunk[/COLOR][/B]en elephant.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=green][B]Guru Nanak Dev[/B][/COLOR]- [SIZE=-1][COLOR=#0068cf][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=351&L=8&id=16075"][U]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok[/U][/URL][/COLOR][/SIZE] </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>[URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1231&english=t&id=52947#l52947"][U][SIZE=4][COLOR=#0068cf]Page 1231, Line 5[/COLOR][/SIZE][/U][/URL] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=4][COLOR=black]ਤੀਨਿ ਭਉਨੇ ਲਪਟਾਇ ਰਹੀ ਕਾਚ ਕਰਮਿ ਨ ਜਾਤ ਸਹੀ ਉਨਮਤ ਅੰਧ ਧੰਧ ਰਚਿਤ ਜੈਸੇ ਮਹਾ ਸਾਗਰ ਹੋਹੇ ॥੧॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]तीनि भउने लपटाइ रही काच करमि न जात सही उनमत अंध धंध रचित जैसे महा सागर होहे ॥१॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]Ŧīn bẖa▫une laptā▫e rahī kācẖ karam na jāṯ sahī unmaṯ anḏẖ ḏẖanḏẖ racẖiṯ jaise mahā sāgar hohe. ||1||[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]Maya clings to the three worlds; those who are stuck in wrong actions cannot escape her. [B][COLOR=#ab5555]Drunk[/COLOR][/B] and engrossed in blind worldly affairs, they are tossed about on the mighty ocean. ||1||<TABLE cellSpacing=25 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD>[SIZE=1][COLOR=#0068cf][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=914&english=t&id=39197#l39197"][U]Page 914, Line 4[/U][/URL][/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=black]ਕਾਹੂ ਬਿਹਾਵੈ ਅਮਲੀ ਹੂਆ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]काहू बिहावै अमली हूआ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]Kāhū bihāvai amlī hū▫ā.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]Some pass their lives getting [B][COLOR=#ab5555]drunk[/COLOR][/B].[/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=green][B]Guru Arjan Dev[/B][/COLOR]- [SIZE=-1][COLOR=#0068cf][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=914&L=4&id=39197"][U]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok[/U][/URL][/COLOR][/COLOR][/SIZE][COLOR=black] </TD></TR><TR><TD>[SIZE=1][COLOR=#0068cf][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=971&english=t&id=41700#l41700"][U]Page 971, Line 4[/U][/URL][/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=black]ਲੰਪਟ ਚੋਰ ਦੂਤ ਮਤਵਾਰੇ ਤਿਨ ਸੰਗਿ ਸਦਾ ਬਸੇਰਾ ॥੩॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]ल्मपट चोर दूत मतवारे तिन संगि सदा बसेरा ॥३॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]Lampat cẖor ḏūṯ maṯvāre ṯin sang saḏā baserā. ||3||[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black][B][COLOR=#ab5555]Drunk[/COLOR][/B]ards, thieves, and evil-doers - I constantly dwell with them. ||3||[/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=green][B]Devotee Kabir[/B][/COLOR]- [SIZE=-1][COLOR=#0068cf][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=971&L=4&id=41700"][U]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok[/U][/URL][/COLOR][/SIZE] </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>[/COLOR][/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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