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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="Archived_member14" data-source="post: 137830" data-attributes="member: 586"><p>Navdeep88 ji,</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Nav: please stop assuming that everything anybody writes needs to be dissected intellectually, im sure you could break down anything to find fault in it but that is not sufficient! intelligence can be stretched to survival... </p><p></p><p></p><p>C: I’m usually impressed by people’s ability to analyze and summarize another person’s ideas, something I’m not good at myself, which is why I kind of liked Sinister ji’s message. Plus I got the impression that he did this with a sense of humor which again is something I lack. Normally I hate criticisms, but there are times when I wish someone would come out and point out any wrong thinking on my part. The truth is the bitter medicine which I think we all need to take from time to time. </p><p></p><p>I agree with you that not all dissection of thought is helpful given that not everyone does it with good intentions. Of course this usually comes down to difference in belief, since the person who analyzes is coming in from a different view and the underlying motive may therefore be to question the other person’s views. However I don’t think this is the case with Sinister ji here, I think he was genuinely trying to be helpful.</p><p></p><p>===========</p><p>Nav: the heart is about LIVING and that is what I wanted to know about. the LOVE that a person feels, the GRATITUDE...those things feel much better, and therefore, are truthful to the state of my heart and also my mind.</p><p></p><p>C: I think Sinister ji was addressing this as well when he made this comment, “can thought affect emotions...and if thought can affect emotions can those emotions then affect thought? (just a thought... or wait was that an emotion?)”</p><p></p><p>Being truthful to ourselves is perhaps the most difficult of achievements. Usually we behave like the axe, sharp on only one side ready to chop at other people’s ideas and their character, unable to turn around and do the same with our own. And one reason for this is the strong attachments to the ideas that we have, including taking for granted and thinking that we “know” such things as living, love and so on. I think it is therefore helpful that someone else in analyzing our thoughts directs our attention to those things about ourselves that we usually overlook. Such a person would then be like a friend who points out the treasure to us, since nothing is more worthy than to come to discover our own faults. The other kind of friend, one who always praises and sides with us may turn out to be someone we could have done without all along.</p><p></p><p>=========</p><p>Nav: I wanted to know how an athiest could continue to be, when their emotions are at such a height, when their need is so dire...is there not a moment when their constant drumbeat of "its just me, its just me" gives up to something else.</p><p></p><p></p><p>C: Could not your line of enquiry have as well given a ‘believer’ pause for thought? </p><p>In suggesting that an atheist might turn to God when faced with death, should this not cause the theist to review his own position “now”? Does he believe in God out of fear? Are the reasonings that he uses to justify the belief a deceptive veil behind which is a strong attachment to self? And would this not in fact be as much about “me, mine and I” as it is for the atheist or anyone else?</p><p></p><p>=========</p><p></p><p>Nav: and Caspian Ji, what you describe with such pride, I see as a lost opportunity... because I see so little growth (other than intellectual) from your standpoint.</p><p></p><p></p><p>C: Since from the little that I’ve read Caspian ji say, I don’t see that he dismisses the need for good deeds; I’d encourage this in him as I have done with respect to theists here and elsewhere. Believing in God or not should not come in the way in this regard. </p><p></p><p>I hope there has been something useful to think about in the above.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Archived_member14, post: 137830, member: 586"] Navdeep88 ji, Nav: please stop assuming that everything anybody writes needs to be dissected intellectually, im sure you could break down anything to find fault in it but that is not sufficient! intelligence can be stretched to survival... C: I’m usually impressed by people’s ability to analyze and summarize another person’s ideas, something I’m not good at myself, which is why I kind of liked Sinister ji’s message. Plus I got the impression that he did this with a sense of humor which again is something I lack. Normally I hate criticisms, but there are times when I wish someone would come out and point out any wrong thinking on my part. The truth is the bitter medicine which I think we all need to take from time to time. I agree with you that not all dissection of thought is helpful given that not everyone does it with good intentions. Of course this usually comes down to difference in belief, since the person who analyzes is coming in from a different view and the underlying motive may therefore be to question the other person’s views. However I don’t think this is the case with Sinister ji here, I think he was genuinely trying to be helpful. =========== Nav: the heart is about LIVING and that is what I wanted to know about. the LOVE that a person feels, the GRATITUDE...those things feel much better, and therefore, are truthful to the state of my heart and also my mind. C: I think Sinister ji was addressing this as well when he made this comment, “can thought affect emotions...and if thought can affect emotions can those emotions then affect thought? (just a thought... or wait was that an emotion?)” Being truthful to ourselves is perhaps the most difficult of achievements. Usually we behave like the axe, sharp on only one side ready to chop at other people’s ideas and their character, unable to turn around and do the same with our own. And one reason for this is the strong attachments to the ideas that we have, including taking for granted and thinking that we “know” such things as living, love and so on. I think it is therefore helpful that someone else in analyzing our thoughts directs our attention to those things about ourselves that we usually overlook. Such a person would then be like a friend who points out the treasure to us, since nothing is more worthy than to come to discover our own faults. The other kind of friend, one who always praises and sides with us may turn out to be someone we could have done without all along. ========= Nav: I wanted to know how an athiest could continue to be, when their emotions are at such a height, when their need is so dire...is there not a moment when their constant drumbeat of "its just me, its just me" gives up to something else. C: Could not your line of enquiry have as well given a ‘believer’ pause for thought? In suggesting that an atheist might turn to God when faced with death, should this not cause the theist to review his own position “now”? Does he believe in God out of fear? Are the reasonings that he uses to justify the belief a deceptive veil behind which is a strong attachment to self? And would this not in fact be as much about “me, mine and I” as it is for the atheist or anyone else? ========= Nav: and Caspian Ji, what you describe with such pride, I see as a lost opportunity... because I see so little growth (other than intellectual) from your standpoint. C: Since from the little that I’ve read Caspian ji say, I don’t see that he dismisses the need for good deeds; I’d encourage this in him as I have done with respect to theists here and elsewhere. Believing in God or not should not come in the way in this regard. I hope there has been something useful to think about in the above. [/QUOTE]
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