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<blockquote data-quote="Ishna" data-source="post: 148471" data-attributes="member: 2709"><p>Better yet, this ang (417) even talks about rape: <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=417&g=1&h=1&r=1&t=1&p=0&k=0" target="_blank">http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=417&g=1&h=1&r=1&t=1&p=0&k=0</a> </p><p></p><p>I'm going to have to read this a few times because its very difficult for me to de-personalise Waheguru when I read some of the following tuks (<strong>please refer to the ang above to put the tuks into context</strong>):</p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><table cellspacing="5"><tbody><tr><td><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਦੂਤਾ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank">ਨੋ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AB%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%86" target="_blank">ਫੁਰਮਾਇਆ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਲੈ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%87" target="_blank">ਚਲੇ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਪਤਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87" target="_blank">ਗਵਾਇ </a> ॥</span></span></span> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span> <span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Ḏūṯā no furmā▫i▫ā lai cẖale paṯ gavā▫e.</span></span> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span> <span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">The order was given to the soldiers, who dishonored them, and carried them away.</span></span></span> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span> </td></tr> <tr><td> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%87" target="_blank">ਜੇ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਤਿਸੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B5%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਭਾਵੈ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%87" target="_blank">ਦੇ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%A1%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%88" target="_blank">ਵਡਿਆਈ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%87" target="_blank">ਜੇ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B5%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਭਾਵੈ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%87" target="_blank">ਦੇਇ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87" target="_blank">ਸਜਾਇ </a> ॥੪॥</span></span></span> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span> <span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Je ṯis bẖāvai ḏe vadi▫ā▫ī je bẖāvai ḏe▫e sajā▫e. ||4||</span></span> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span> <span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">If it is pleasing to God's Will, He bestows greatness; if is pleases His Will, He bestows punishment. ||4||</span></span></span> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span> </td></tr> <tr><td> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank">ਅਗੋ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%87" target="_blank">ਦੇ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%87" target="_blank">ਜੇ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%90" target="_blank">ਚੇਤੀਐ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%82" target="_blank">ਤਾਂ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਕਾਇਤੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਮਿਲੈ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87" target="_blank">ਸਜਾਇ </a> ॥</span></span></span> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span> <span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Ago ḏe je cẖeṯī▫ai ṯāʼn kā▫iṯ milai sajā▫e.</span></span> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span> <span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">If someone focuses on the Lord beforehand, then why should he be punished?</span></span></span> </td></tr></tbody></table></p><p>---</p><p><table cellspacing="5"><tbody><tr><td><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></td></tr> <tr><td> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਇਕਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਾ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%8F%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank">ਏਹੋ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86" target="_blank">ਲਿਖਿਆ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਬਹਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਬਹਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਰੋਵਹਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%96" target="_blank">ਦੁਖ </a> ॥</span></span></span> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span> <span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Iknĥā eho likẖi▫ā bahi bahi rovėh ḏukẖ.</span></span> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span> <span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">For some, it is pre-ordained that they shall sit and cry out in pain.</span></span></span> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span> </td></tr> <tr><td> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank">ਜੋ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਤਿਸੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B5%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਭਾਵੈ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank">ਸੋ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A5%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%90" target="_blank">ਥੀਐ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%95" target="_blank">ਨਾਨਕ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86" target="_blank">ਕਿਆ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%96" target="_blank">ਮਾਨੁਖ </a> ॥੭॥੧੧॥</span></span></span> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span> <span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Jo ṯis bẖāvai so thī▫ai Nānak ki▫ā mānukẖ. ||7||11||</span></span> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span> <span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">Whatever pleases Him, comes to pass. O Nanak, what is the fate of mankind? ||7||11||</span></span></span> </td></tr></tbody></table><strong></strong></p><p><strong>The following is from the next ang (418) found here: <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=418&g=1&h=0&r=1&t=1&p=0&k=0" target="_blank">http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=418&g=1&h=0&r=1&t=1&p=0&k=0</a> </strong></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><table cellspacing="5"><tbody><tr><td><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%87" target="_blank">ਆਪੇ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87" target="_blank">ਕਰੇ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%8F" target="_blank">ਕਰਾਏ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਕਰਤਾ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8" target="_blank">ਕਿਸ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank">ਨੋ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਆਖਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%88%E0%A8%90" target="_blank">ਸੁਣਾਈਐ </a> ॥</span></span></span> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span> <span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Āpe kare karā▫e karṯā kis no ākẖ suṇā▫ī▫ai.</span></span> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span> <span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">The Creator Himself acts, and causes others to act. Unto whom should we complain?</span></span></span> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span> </td></tr> <tr><td> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਦੁਖੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਸੁਖੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਤੇਰੈ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A3%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਭਾਣੈ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B5%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਹੋਵੈ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8" target="_blank">ਕਿਸ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A5%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਥੈ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87" target="_blank">ਜਾਇ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%88%E0%A8%90" target="_blank">ਰੂਆਈਐ </a> ॥</span></span></span> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span> <span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Ḏukẖ sukẖ ṯerai bẖāṇai hovai kis thai jā▫e rū▫ā▫ī▫ai.</span></span> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span> <span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">Pleasure and pain come by Your Will; unto whom should we go and cry?</span></span></span> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span> </td></tr> <tr><td> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਹੁਕਮੀ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਹੁਕਮਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%8F" target="_blank">ਚਲਾਏ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਵਿਗਸੈ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%95" target="_blank">ਨਾਨਕ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86" target="_blank">ਲਿਖਿਆ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%88%E0%A8%90" target="_blank">ਪਾਈਐ </a> ॥੭॥੧੨॥</span></span></span> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span> <span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Hukmī hukam cẖalā▫e vigsai Nānak likẖi▫ā pā▫ī▫ai. ||7||12||</span></span> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span> <span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">The Commander issues His Command, and is pleased. O Nanak, we receive what is written in our destiny. ||7||12||</span></span></span> </td></tr></tbody></table>---</p><p></p><p>Now according to Macauliffe this whole section of bani is referring to Babar's invasion of Sayidipur. I get a very different interpretation if I read the angs as just <strong>stand alone Gurbani</strong> with no knowledge of the events (soldiers become the soldiers of Death, it becomes spiritual) but when I read it in the context of the historical events, then they become human soldiers in my mind. It's hard to explain. I think it's bad to read stories about how bania were composed because it clouds the true meanings I think. But I could be way off!</p><p></p><p>I can understand the rationale for the above tuks in the context of the environment of greed and decadence which Guru Nanak Dev Ji is referring to at Sayidipur. I can see how when you get too comfortable, any little bad thing is in fact a terrible, terrible thing. I can see how greed and complacency set you up for spiritual and materialistic failure.</p><p></p><p>I can fathom a "cause and effect force of hukam" perspective, in that if you are greedy or get too used to your cushy ways then you'll perceive yourself being "punished" by having things taken away from you, when it's just hukam, and that you don't perceive a "punishment" if you aren't greedy or complacent, because you're more accepting of hukam and Naam can't be taken away from you like your comfy bed and money, therefore no punishment can be inflicted.</p><p></p><p>I'm still trying to fathom the suffering of innocents though, born in terrible places. They haven't had the exposure to Gurbani to become fortified with Naam to endure torture, abuse and accept it if they can't fight it. The 5 year old girl in Congo born to a starving mother, who is constantly on the run and suffers abuse until she's killed by her rapist -- the above Gurbani doesn't tackle that particular subject. I need to keep looking. Just thinking out loud, don't mind me. :interestedkudi:</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ishna, post: 148471, member: 2709"] Better yet, this ang (417) even talks about rape: [URL]http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=417&g=1&h=1&r=1&t=1&p=0&k=0[/URL] I'm going to have to read this a few times because its very difficult for me to de-personalise Waheguru when I read some of the following tuks ([B]please refer to the ang above to put the tuks into context[/B]): [SIZE=2] [/SIZE]<table cellspacing="5"><tbody><tr><td>[FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=2][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BE"]ਦੂਤਾ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%8B"]ਨੋ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AB%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%86"]ਫੁਰਮਾਇਆ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%88"]ਲੈ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%87"]ਚਲੇ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF"]ਪਤਿ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87"]ਗਵਾਇ [/URL] ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=2] [/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=2]Ḏūṯā no furmā▫i▫ā lai cẖale paṯ gavā▫e.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=2] [/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080]The order was given to the soldiers, who dishonored them, and carried them away.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=2] [/SIZE] </td></tr> <tr><td> [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=2][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%87"]ਜੇ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81"]ਤਿਸੁ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B5%E0%A9%88"]ਭਾਵੈ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%87"]ਦੇ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%A1%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%88"]ਵਡਿਆਈ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%87"]ਜੇ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B5%E0%A9%88"]ਭਾਵੈ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%87"]ਦੇਇ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87"]ਸਜਾਇ [/URL] ॥੪॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=2] [/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=2]Je ṯis bẖāvai ḏe vadi▫ā▫ī je bẖāvai ḏe▫e sajā▫e. ||4||[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=2] [/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080]If it is pleasing to God's Will, He bestows greatness; if is pleases His Will, He bestows punishment. ||4||[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=2] [/SIZE] </td></tr> <tr><td> [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=2][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%8B"]ਅਗੋ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%87"]ਦੇ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%87"]ਜੇ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%90"]ਚੇਤੀਐ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%82"]ਤਾਂ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81"]ਕਾਇਤੁ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%88"]ਮਿਲੈ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87"]ਸਜਾਇ [/URL] ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=2] [/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=2]Ago ḏe je cẖeṯī▫ai ṯāʼn kā▫iṯ milai sajā▫e.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=2] [/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080]If someone focuses on the Lord beforehand, then why should he be punished?[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] </td></tr></tbody></table> --- <table cellspacing="5"><tbody><tr><td>[SIZE=2] [/SIZE]</td></tr> <tr><td> [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=2][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE"]ਇਕਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਾ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%8F%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8B"]ਏਹੋ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86"]ਲਿਖਿਆ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF"]ਬਹਿ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF"]ਬਹਿ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF"]ਰੋਵਹਿ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%96"]ਦੁਖ [/URL] ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=2] [/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=2]Iknĥā eho likẖi▫ā bahi bahi rovėh ḏukẖ.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=2] [/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080]For some, it is pre-ordained that they shall sit and cry out in pain.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=2] [/SIZE] </td></tr> <tr><td> [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=2][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B"]ਜੋ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81"]ਤਿਸੁ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B5%E0%A9%88"]ਭਾਵੈ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%8B"]ਸੋ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A5%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%90"]ਥੀਐ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%95"]ਨਾਨਕ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86"]ਕਿਆ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%96"]ਮਾਨੁਖ [/URL] ॥੭॥੧੧॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=2] [/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=2]Jo ṯis bẖāvai so thī▫ai Nānak ki▫ā mānukẖ. ||7||11||[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=2] [/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080]Whatever pleases Him, comes to pass. O Nanak, what is the fate of mankind? ||7||11||[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] </td></tr></tbody></table>[B] The following is from the next ang (418) found here: [URL]http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=418&g=1&h=0&r=1&t=1&p=0&k=0[/URL] [/B] [SIZE=2] [/SIZE]<table cellspacing="5"><tbody><tr><td>[FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=2][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%87"]ਆਪੇ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87"]ਕਰੇ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%8F"]ਕਰਾਏ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BE"]ਕਰਤਾ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8"]ਕਿਸ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%8B"]ਨੋ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BF"]ਆਖਿ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%88%E0%A8%90"]ਸੁਣਾਈਐ [/URL] ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=2] [/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=2]Āpe kare karā▫e karṯā kis no ākẖ suṇā▫ī▫ai.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=2] [/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080]The Creator Himself acts, and causes others to act. Unto whom should we complain?[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=2] [/SIZE] </td></tr> <tr><td> [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=2][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%81"]ਦੁਖੁ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%81"]ਸੁਖੁ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%88"]ਤੇਰੈ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A3%E0%A9%88"]ਭਾਣੈ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B5%E0%A9%88"]ਹੋਵੈ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8"]ਕਿਸ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A5%E0%A9%88"]ਥੈ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87"]ਜਾਇ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%88%E0%A8%90"]ਰੂਆਈਐ [/URL] ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=2] [/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=2]Ḏukẖ sukẖ ṯerai bẖāṇai hovai kis thai jā▫e rū▫ā▫ī▫ai.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=2] [/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080]Pleasure and pain come by Your Will; unto whom should we go and cry?[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=2] [/SIZE] </td></tr> <tr><td> [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=2][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%80"]ਹੁਕਮੀ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BF"]ਹੁਕਮਿ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%8F"]ਚਲਾਏ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%88"]ਵਿਗਸੈ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%95"]ਨਾਨਕ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86"]ਲਿਖਿਆ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%88%E0%A8%90"]ਪਾਈਐ [/URL] ॥੭॥੧੨॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=2] [/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=2]Hukmī hukam cẖalā▫e vigsai Nānak likẖi▫ā pā▫ī▫ai. ||7||12||[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=2] [/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080]The Commander issues His Command, and is pleased. O Nanak, we receive what is written in our destiny. ||7||12||[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] </td></tr></tbody></table>--- Now according to Macauliffe this whole section of bani is referring to Babar's invasion of Sayidipur. I get a very different interpretation if I read the angs as just [B]stand alone Gurbani[/B] with no knowledge of the events (soldiers become the soldiers of Death, it becomes spiritual) but when I read it in the context of the historical events, then they become human soldiers in my mind. It's hard to explain. I think it's bad to read stories about how bania were composed because it clouds the true meanings I think. But I could be way off! I can understand the rationale for the above tuks in the context of the environment of greed and decadence which Guru Nanak Dev Ji is referring to at Sayidipur. I can see how when you get too comfortable, any little bad thing is in fact a terrible, terrible thing. I can see how greed and complacency set you up for spiritual and materialistic failure. I can fathom a "cause and effect force of hukam" perspective, in that if you are greedy or get too used to your cushy ways then you'll perceive yourself being "punished" by having things taken away from you, when it's just hukam, and that you don't perceive a "punishment" if you aren't greedy or complacent, because you're more accepting of hukam and Naam can't be taken away from you like your comfy bed and money, therefore no punishment can be inflicted. I'm still trying to fathom the suffering of innocents though, born in terrible places. They haven't had the exposure to Gurbani to become fortified with Naam to endure torture, abuse and accept it if they can't fight it. The 5 year old girl in Congo born to a starving mother, who is constantly on the run and suffers abuse until she's killed by her rapist -- the above Gurbani doesn't tackle that particular subject. I need to keep looking. Just thinking out loud, don't mind me. :interestedkudi: [/QUOTE]
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