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Word By Word Translation Of Triya Charitars 21, 22, 23 And 71
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<blockquote data-quote="vijaydeep Singh" data-source="post: 49720" data-attributes="member: 313"><p><strong>Re: Wrod by word translation of Triya Charitars 21,22,23 and 71</strong></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">1.why did lord told his men to snatch turbans?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Lord came away from Paunta,while getting dowen towards kapal mochan.He hunted over there(Hindus do not hunt while going to pilgrimage so this lord was not Hindu and infact Kapal Mochan is of Vaishanav or Vishnu worshiper veggi people.Hunting over there is a sin).</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Lordted had his desicples coming to him.Lord wanted to gift them turban as robe of honour.He sent his men to Bads of Paunta Town.Who could be those bad?Bad is one who is a trader,selling turbans.That due to hindu zealot things did not economically cooprated with men of Lord.So men did not get turbans.Nor could they buy it locally.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">So it was planed to snatch this from one who is found urinating at plirimage centre.May be at that time person wil be least prepaired to counter the attack.But when infantry men joined the meeting.They planed to snatch the turban of all who were to visit the pilgrimage site as they were termed Manmukh.Or they planed to snatch only ftom Manmukh or they snatched onmly from manmukh.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Those turbans were cleaned by Lord and given to disciples .Some others were sold to them(either disciples or other good Hindus over there who were not pro upper caste or anti Sikh).Rest were distributed to soldier.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Then lord left for town(this time it is not mentiond that it was Paunta only)So this could be some other towen.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Fools could not understand the secret of Lord.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Some historical references.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">1.At the time of Tenth Guru Maharaj in Majhas Sikhs stated to loot the opponent .(Bhangu’s book)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">2.At the time of Banda,when he was refused bread/roti from a lady,while he was hungery,he snatched it from lady.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">3.When Bedwa took mustard oil and black grams and iron as donation of Saturn deity or shani dev.Sikhs on order of Guru looted that back and made Barhas(cutlets) of food and made Iron Bangle or Karha from that iron.(Second is from Suraj Prakash).</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">When Sikhs have power and people act bad and do not sell them goods.What should a Sikh do to teach a lesson to communal and racial guy?And what is wrong to remove turban of a Manmukh.There could be Manmukhs in grab of Sikhs and they may visit hindu pilgrimage centre.Should they be allowed to don turban? In past Sikhs did carry out snatching of resources from evil.</span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Did this at all happened Guru at all.?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Verse onto First Guru used term Neech/lower for him and also dog.It is telling in humble way by making own examples.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Verse unto Ninth Master has many evil acts attached to mind.People can say that tis could be the mind of addressee and not the Master but there are verse where he talks of his mind.his own example to preach has been used and his mind may not be like that.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Is running way OK in Gurmat?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Tactical retreat is OK.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Guru left Anandpur Sahib and Chamkaur obeying Sikhs.But from Paur to safer Malwas he moved himself while staying at Machhiwara’s jungle.Peple thought Guru is no more.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">While moving out of Chamkaur also a gameplan was made.Foru people moved in four direction after putting off enemies torches with arrows. They shouted Peer of Hind(Guru) is going.All foe fought each other and many died in confusion.Such confusion is there in 22nd Character.</span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">There is a verse onto Ninth Master where running away is said to be OK in some contexts.Kiratpur Sahib and Anandpur Sahib were based upon tactical repositioning from Amritsar Sahib to Kiratpur Sahib and from there Anandpur sahib and also going to Paunat aalso has tacties involved. </span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="vijaydeep Singh, post: 49720, member: 313"] [b]Re: Wrod by word translation of Triya Charitars 21,22,23 and 71[/b] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]1.why did lord told his men to snatch turbans?[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Lord came away from Paunta,while getting dowen towards kapal mochan.He hunted over there(Hindus do not hunt while going to pilgrimage so this lord was not Hindu and infact Kapal Mochan is of Vaishanav or Vishnu worshiper veggi people.Hunting over there is a sin).[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Lordted had his desicples coming to him.Lord wanted to gift them turban as robe of honour.He sent his men to Bads of Paunta Town.Who could be those bad?Bad is one who is a trader,selling turbans.That due to hindu zealot things did not economically cooprated with men of Lord.So men did not get turbans.Nor could they buy it locally.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]So it was planed to snatch this from one who is found urinating at plirimage centre.May be at that time person wil be least prepaired to counter the attack.But when infantry men joined the meeting.They planed to snatch the turban of all who were to visit the pilgrimage site as they were termed Manmukh.Or they planed to snatch only ftom Manmukh or they snatched onmly from manmukh.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Those turbans were cleaned by Lord and given to disciples .Some others were sold to them(either disciples or other good Hindus over there who were not pro upper caste or anti Sikh).Rest were distributed to soldier.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Then lord left for town(this time it is not mentiond that it was Paunta only)So this could be some other towen.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Fools could not understand the secret of Lord.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Some historical references.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]1.At the time of Tenth Guru Maharaj in Majhas Sikhs stated to loot the opponent .(Bhangu’s book)[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]2.At the time of Banda,when he was refused bread/roti from a lady,while he was hungery,he snatched it from lady.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]3.When Bedwa took mustard oil and black grams and iron as donation of Saturn deity or shani dev.Sikhs on order of Guru looted that back and made Barhas(cutlets) of food and made Iron Bangle or Karha from that iron.(Second is from Suraj Prakash).[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]When Sikhs have power and people act bad and do not sell them goods.What should a Sikh do to teach a lesson to communal and racial guy?And what is wrong to remove turban of a Manmukh.There could be Manmukhs in grab of Sikhs and they may visit hindu pilgrimage centre.Should they be allowed to don turban? In past Sikhs did carry out snatching of resources from evil.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Did this at all happened Guru at all.?[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Verse onto First Guru used term Neech/lower for him and also dog.It is telling in humble way by making own examples.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Verse unto Ninth Master has many evil acts attached to mind.People can say that tis could be the mind of addressee and not the Master but there are verse where he talks of his mind.his own example to preach has been used and his mind may not be like that.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Is running way OK in Gurmat?[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Tactical retreat is OK.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Guru left Anandpur Sahib and Chamkaur obeying Sikhs.But from Paur to safer Malwas he moved himself while staying at Machhiwara’s jungle.Peple thought Guru is no more.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]While moving out of Chamkaur also a gameplan was made.Foru people moved in four direction after putting off enemies torches with arrows. They shouted Peer of Hind(Guru) is going.All foe fought each other and many died in confusion.Such confusion is there in 22nd Character.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]There is a verse onto Ninth Master where running away is said to be OK in some contexts.Kiratpur Sahib and Anandpur Sahib were based upon tactical repositioning from Amritsar Sahib to Kiratpur Sahib and from there Anandpur sahib and also going to Paunat aalso has tacties involved. [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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