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ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
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Chhant (78-81)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
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Ashtpadi (129-130)
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Bara Maha (133-136)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
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Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
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Chhant (435-462)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
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Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
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Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
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<blockquote data-quote="JawDroppingPhilosopher" data-source="post: 26471" data-attributes="member: 1630"><p>Yes your einstein theories of quantum physics havent scared me off lol.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>You complete {censored}, how can you believe everything in science, my point was that scientific theory is NEVER ALWAYS correct, now your taking my point out of context.</p><p> </p><p>"Any physical theory is always provisional, in the sense that it is only a hypothesis: you can never prove it. No matter how many times the results of experiments agree with some theory, you can never be sure that the next time the result will not contradict the theory." <strong>Stephen W. Hawking.</strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>Science has proved itself over and over again that its theories are incorrect, we still do not know how old this planet is, in scientific theory it is getting older as MATHEMATICS contradicts each theory.</strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>What you fail to understand is that only mathematics is universal, this is my only truth, not a book full of hypocrisy and symbolic rituals.</strong></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><span style="color: red">Mr Singh lol. I AGREE, yes the above basis is FACT but it is far from what i said in a previous post that scientists cannot measure how long it will be until the sun burns out, this is theorem</span> (refer back to the Stephen Hawking's quote) you realised this, and knew you couldnt prove this statement i made to be wrong... So you decide instead to tell me what the sun's composition is?... were did that come from?</strong></span><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p> </p><p>I can use smiley faces too<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>What are you talking about? Get this into your head... I FOLLOW NO RELIGION. I have freedom of thought, you, supporting your holy book of sikhism follow nothing beyond that! </p><p> </p><p>Your religion is similar to others in that it expresses a massive concept of <span style="font-size: 10px">numerology, the number 3 in numerology expresses a form of </span><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px">'neutrality', the fact that Guru Nanak arrived back after 3 days and proclaimed there is no hindu or muslim shows the concept of neutrality through the use of numerology in your religion, just like the 666 symbol, the 332 babylonian symbol, infact the 666 symbol is hidden worhip of the number 9, DO YOUR RESEARCH.<span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span>Infact where have you taken this conversation? My point originally was that todays religions originate from Babylonian religions which are all sun worship and moon worship... hinduism evolved from babylonia, sikhism evolved from hinduism ITS THE SAME THING!!!!</p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>When did i ask you about quantum physics?</strong></span> A subject which you clearly have no understanding of, I think you should understand that quantum physics is a concept your mind will <span style="color: red">never grasp</span> as it is <span style="color: red">imprisoned</span> and <span style="color: red">narrow</span>, quantum physics states that matter has an intelligence, which is what i said at the start, i believe God fills this entire universe, you believe God fills a house.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>No this is not actually my view, dont insult my intelligence, i read this garbage off a sikh missionary groups poster in one of your "holy" temples. SO IT IS YOUR PEOPLES VIEW They said AND I QUOTE.."Harmandir Sahib (Abode of God).</p><p> </p><p>Definition of Abode: <span style="color: red">The house or place where one lives.</span></p><p> </p><p>I think you should inform your own so called sikh religious people before you start analysing my freedom of thought with your closed minded religious theorem and simple understanding of OUR universe.</p><p> </p><p>Mr Jatinder, the fact that i gained the above quote from your "brotherhood" proves that you have bitten off more than you can chew.</p><p> </p><p>I have studied quantum physics for years, dont patronise me, its laughable. Maybe you should start by arranging your vocab in proper form before you dwell in the complex nature of our misunderstood universe.</p><p> </p><p><span style="color: red">There is no proof that Guru Nanak existed, this proof is clearly hidden due to the fact that sikhs do not want to accept that their main Guru fell to the will of "Allah", a Moon god. Yes, Guru Nanak was a muslim, the evidence that he did exist points to the fact that he was a muslim THERE IS PHYSICAL EVIDENCE, YOU LIKE THAT DONT YOU MR SINGH? BUT YOU BELIEVE A "THEORY" TO BE ALWAYS CORRECT? DO YOU BELIEVE THIS THEORY?</span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Sikhs complete history is filled with violent beheadings and wars, it is the egotistical nature of sikhs that they are a military "brotherhood" who killed thousends of muslims, muslims are no different this is why i was right when i said in my very first post that islam and sikhism are a human RACE if you hadnt noticed divided by WORDS! Stuck in the same boat.</p><p> </p><p>Christians and monotheistic religions have created more wars in history than anyone else! </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: red">Fisrt you say science is the only concept that can prove anything? Then in the same sentance you basicly say, "well it cant really but its good". Get real, i cant belive your actually still here.</span></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Im wrong am i? Why dont we look at the similarities of babylonian religions and todays so called "better" religions, you know a thousend years ago people believed the world was flat, that the sun was God, that there were thousends of Gods, today people would laugh at that, whats saying that people a thousend years from now WONT LAUGH AT WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN?!</p><p> </p><p>just look at the s<span style="font-size: 10px">imilarities, remember your religion sikhism is an evolved version of hinduism and islam, so it can also be taken into this arguement, just because your religion is young doesnt mean you can escape from the following comparitive analysis. You came from hinduism.</span></p><p> </p><p>Study the following page.</p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><a href="http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/jesus_similar.html" target="_blank">http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/jesus_similar.html</a></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Symbology of ancient babylonian gods exists of great proportions in modern day religions, in christianity for example we have the steeple or Obelisk, an obelisk is simply a large {censored}, the {censored} of Osiris this is an ancient Egyptian symbol which has evolved from babylon, so it started in babylon, then evolved into egyptian theology and now christianity.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Just like i said, if you research the dress of the Pope you will realise the similarities between the Popes clothes and that of an Egyptian <span style="font-size: 10px">Pharaoh, They are the SAME!!</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px">The sun symbolism is incredible! the word "church" also evolved from an ancient babylonian "ABODE!" of a goddess.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px">This is all truth, religions follow complex numerology and worship of the planets, the worship of the planet venus in Islam is also apparent, if you do your research you will realise it makes sense.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: red">"I can only show you the door, you have to walk through it"</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black">Go back to the beginning, go back 10,000 years ago and start your research.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: red">"For when one seeks to establish foundations, one must begin at the beginning."</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong><span style="color: black">The Statue of Liberty...to this day, kings still wear a round "crown of thorns", </span></strong><span style="color: black"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: black"><strong>symbolising the rays of the Sun!</strong></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong>Just like jesus!</strong></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong><span style="color: #ff9900">"GOD'S SUN"</span></strong>. Truly, "God's <span style="color: #ff9900"><strong>Sun/Son</strong></span> was... </span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px">THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px">As stated before, in the dark cold of night man realised his utter vulnerability to the elements. Each night, mankind was forced to wait for the " <span style="color: #ff9900"><strong>Risen</strong></span> Sun" to chase away the physical and mental insecurity brought on by the darkness. Therefore, the morning Sun focused man's attention on heavenly dependents for his frail, short existence on Earth, and in doing so, it became the appropriate symbol of divine benevolence from heaven.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px">So just as small fire brought limited light into man's own little world of darkness, likewise the "Great Fire of Day" served the whole Earth with its heavenly presence. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px">For this reason, it was said at Deut 4:24, and Heb 12:29 that the God of the Bible was a "Consuming Fire" in heaven. And so He is!</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px">It was accepted by all that man was bound to a life on Earth, but the sky was God the Father's abode - His dwelling place. Naturally, God's Son/Sun would also reside with his Father " <span style="color: #ff9900"><strong>up</strong></span> <span style="color: #ff9900"><strong>in </strong></span><span style="color: #ff9900"><strong>HEAVEN"</strong></span>. Ancient man saw in his male offspring his own image and likeness, and his own existence as a father was proved by the person of his son. It was assumed that God's 'Sun was but a <span style="color: #ff9900"><strong>visible representative</strong></span> of the unseen Creator in heaven. So it was said, "When you have seen the Sun, you have seen the Father ". or "The Father is glorified in his Sun/son".</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 15px">Since <strong>life is energy</strong>, and energy from the Sun gave life, and we sustained our very existence by taking energy in from our food (which came directly from God's Sun), the Sun/son(jesus) must <span style="color: #ff9900"><strong>give up its life</strong></span> supporting energy so that <span style="color: #ff9900"><strong>we may</strong></span> continue to <span style="color: #ff9900"><strong>live</strong></span>. </span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 15px">"God's Sun gives his life for us to live."</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px">Logically, even if man himself died, as long as the Sun comes up each day, life on Earth will continue forever. Therefore, it was said in the ancient texts that everlasting life was "the gift" that the Father gives through his Sun. For..."God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten SUN that we may have life everlasting"....on Earth! </span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong>Not for you personally</strong> - but <span style="color: #ff9900"><strong>ON EARTH</strong></span>... <span style="color: #ff9900"><strong>everlasting life!</strong></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: black"><strong>Deeper analysis of christianity brings us to light of the age of </strong><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong>Pisces, if you notice the symbolism of the "fish" the "fisherman", the Popes hat is infact a large Fish shaped hat when turned to its side.</strong></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong>LOOK!!!! ITS TRUE!!!!</strong></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong><a href="http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n2029.cfm" target="_blank">http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n2029.cfm</a></strong></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></p><p>The fact that jesus and his 12 <span style="font-size: 10px">disciples represent the 12 months in a year, yet these religions as i said are filled with occult (hidden) numerology and symbolism, we find that there are infact 13 months in a year, YES THATS RIGHT!!! </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">just count the days after the 28th day, and it will usually add up to 28 or 29 depending on leap year factors, the hidden month represents the SUN.</span></p><p> </p><p>(I worked this out myself without research so i dont know yet if this is plausable)</p><p> </p><p>Yes also our language tells us the truth, pointy symbols in ancient babylonia symbolised evil and the devil, (just like a knife, lightning bolt, witches hat, just look at the way you talk... say Evil and notice the sharp voicing of this word deVil, eVil</p><p> </p><p>Now say, Son, Sun, God, Jesus, Yeyshua, do you see the comparison? The fact that people saw roundness and wholeness as good such as the sun and evil as sharp, it is in our language.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong><span style="color: black">But this is only the tip of the iceburg.</span></strong></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong>I am not closed minded, </strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong>I am not blinded, </strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong>I am me, </strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong>Therefore i am free, </strong></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong>I am not belonging to a religion, i belong to infinite energy and endless thought. </strong></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong><span style="font-size: 15px">I THINK THEREFORE I AM</span></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JawDroppingPhilosopher, post: 26471, member: 1630"] Yes your einstein theories of quantum physics havent scared me off lol. You complete {censored}, how can you believe everything in science, my point was that scientific theory is NEVER ALWAYS correct, now your taking my point out of context. "Any physical theory is always provisional, in the sense that it is only a hypothesis: you can never prove it. No matter how many times the results of experiments agree with some theory, you can never be sure that the next time the result will not contradict the theory." [B]Stephen W. Hawking.[/B] [B]Science has proved itself over and over again that its theories are incorrect, we still do not know how old this planet is, in scientific theory it is getting older as MATHEMATICS contradicts each theory.[/B] [B]What you fail to understand is that only mathematics is universal, this is my only truth, not a book full of hypocrisy and symbolic rituals.[/B] [SIZE=3][B][COLOR=red]Mr Singh lol. I AGREE, yes the above basis is FACT but it is far from what i said in a previous post that scientists cannot measure how long it will be until the sun burns out, this is theorem[/COLOR] (refer back to the Stephen Hawking's quote) you realised this, and knew you couldnt prove this statement i made to be wrong... So you decide instead to tell me what the sun's composition is?... were did that come from?[/B][/SIZE]:) I can use smiley faces too:) What are you talking about? Get this into your head... I FOLLOW NO RELIGION. I have freedom of thought, you, supporting your holy book of sikhism follow nothing beyond that! Your religion is similar to others in that it expresses a massive concept of [SIZE=2]numerology, the number 3 in numerology expresses a form of [/SIZE][SIZE=2][SIZE=2]'neutrality', the fact that Guru Nanak arrived back after 3 days and proclaimed there is no hindu or muslim shows the concept of neutrality through the use of numerology in your religion, just like the 666 symbol, the 332 babylonian symbol, infact the 666 symbol is hidden worhip of the number 9, DO YOUR RESEARCH.[SIZE=2] [/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][SIZE=2][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][/SIZE]Infact where have you taken this conversation? My point originally was that todays religions originate from Babylonian religions which are all sun worship and moon worship... hinduism evolved from babylonia, sikhism evolved from hinduism ITS THE SAME THING!!!! [SIZE=3][B]When did i ask you about quantum physics?[/B][/SIZE] A subject which you clearly have no understanding of, I think you should understand that quantum physics is a concept your mind will [COLOR=red]never grasp[/COLOR] as it is [COLOR=red]imprisoned[/COLOR] and [COLOR=red]narrow[/COLOR], quantum physics states that matter has an intelligence, which is what i said at the start, i believe God fills this entire universe, you believe God fills a house. No this is not actually my view, dont insult my intelligence, i read this garbage off a sikh missionary groups poster in one of your "holy" temples. SO IT IS YOUR PEOPLES VIEW They said AND I QUOTE.."Harmandir Sahib (Abode of God). Definition of Abode: [COLOR=red]The house or place where one lives.[/COLOR] I think you should inform your own so called sikh religious people before you start analysing my freedom of thought with your closed minded religious theorem and simple understanding of OUR universe. Mr Jatinder, the fact that i gained the above quote from your "brotherhood" proves that you have bitten off more than you can chew. I have studied quantum physics for years, dont patronise me, its laughable. Maybe you should start by arranging your vocab in proper form before you dwell in the complex nature of our misunderstood universe. [COLOR=red]There is no proof that Guru Nanak existed, this proof is clearly hidden due to the fact that sikhs do not want to accept that their main Guru fell to the will of "Allah", a Moon god. Yes, Guru Nanak was a muslim, the evidence that he did exist points to the fact that he was a muslim THERE IS PHYSICAL EVIDENCE, YOU LIKE THAT DONT YOU MR SINGH? BUT YOU BELIEVE A "THEORY" TO BE ALWAYS CORRECT? DO YOU BELIEVE THIS THEORY?[/COLOR] Sikhs complete history is filled with violent beheadings and wars, it is the egotistical nature of sikhs that they are a military "brotherhood" who killed thousends of muslims, muslims are no different this is why i was right when i said in my very first post that islam and sikhism are a human RACE if you hadnt noticed divided by WORDS! Stuck in the same boat. Christians and monotheistic religions have created more wars in history than anyone else! [COLOR=red]Fisrt you say science is the only concept that can prove anything? Then in the same sentance you basicly say, "well it cant really but its good". Get real, i cant belive your actually still here.[/COLOR] Im wrong am i? Why dont we look at the similarities of babylonian religions and todays so called "better" religions, you know a thousend years ago people believed the world was flat, that the sun was God, that there were thousends of Gods, today people would laugh at that, whats saying that people a thousend years from now WONT LAUGH AT WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN?! just look at the s[SIZE=2]imilarities, remember your religion sikhism is an evolved version of hinduism and islam, so it can also be taken into this arguement, just because your religion is young doesnt mean you can escape from the following comparitive analysis. You came from hinduism.[/SIZE] Study the following page. [SIZE=2][URL="http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/jesus_similar.html"]http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/jesus_similar.html[/URL][/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Symbology of ancient babylonian gods exists of great proportions in modern day religions, in christianity for example we have the steeple or Obelisk, an obelisk is simply a large {censored}, the {censored} of Osiris this is an ancient Egyptian symbol which has evolved from babylon, so it started in babylon, then evolved into egyptian theology and now christianity.[/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Just like i said, if you research the dress of the Pope you will realise the similarities between the Popes clothes and that of an Egyptian [SIZE=2]Pharaoh, They are the SAME!![/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][SIZE=2]The sun symbolism is incredible! the word "church" also evolved from an ancient babylonian "ABODE!" of a goddess.[/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][SIZE=2]This is all truth, religions follow complex numerology and worship of the planets, the worship of the planet venus in Islam is also apparent, if you do your research you will realise it makes sense.[/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][SIZE=2][COLOR=red]"I can only show you the door, you have to walk through it"[/COLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE] [COLOR=black]Go back to the beginning, go back 10,000 years ago and start your research.[/COLOR] [SIZE=2][SIZE=2][COLOR=red]"For when one seeks to establish foundations, one must begin at the beginning."[/COLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][SIZE=2][B][COLOR=black]The Statue of Liberty...to this day, kings still wear a round "crown of thorns", [/COLOR][/B][COLOR=black] [B]symbolising the rays of the Sun![/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][SIZE=2][B]Just like jesus![/B][/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][SIZE=2][B][COLOR=#ff9900]"GOD'S SUN"[/COLOR][/B]. Truly, "God's [COLOR=#ff9900][B]Sun/Son[/B][/COLOR] was... THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD.[/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][SIZE=2]As stated before, in the dark cold of night man realised his utter vulnerability to the elements. Each night, mankind was forced to wait for the " [COLOR=#ff9900][B]Risen[/B][/COLOR] Sun" to chase away the physical and mental insecurity brought on by the darkness. Therefore, the morning Sun focused man's attention on heavenly dependents for his frail, short existence on Earth, and in doing so, it became the appropriate symbol of divine benevolence from heaven.[/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][SIZE=2]So just as small fire brought limited light into man's own little world of darkness, likewise the "Great Fire of Day" served the whole Earth with its heavenly presence. For this reason, it was said at Deut 4:24, and Heb 12:29 that the God of the Bible was a "Consuming Fire" in heaven. And so He is![/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][SIZE=2]It was accepted by all that man was bound to a life on Earth, but the sky was God the Father's abode - His dwelling place. Naturally, God's Son/Sun would also reside with his Father " [COLOR=#ff9900][B]up[/B][/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff9900][B]in [/B][/COLOR][COLOR=#ff9900][B]HEAVEN"[/B][/COLOR]. Ancient man saw in his male offspring his own image and likeness, and his own existence as a father was proved by the person of his son. It was assumed that God's 'Sun was but a [COLOR=#ff9900][B]visible representative[/B][/COLOR] of the unseen Creator in heaven. So it was said, "When you have seen the Sun, you have seen the Father ". or "The Father is glorified in his Sun/son".[/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][SIZE=2][SIZE=4]Since [B]life is energy[/B], and energy from the Sun gave life, and we sustained our very existence by taking energy in from our food (which came directly from God's Sun), the Sun/son(jesus) must [COLOR=#ff9900][B]give up its life[/B][/COLOR] supporting energy so that [COLOR=#ff9900][B]we may[/B][/COLOR] continue to [COLOR=#ff9900][B]live[/B][/COLOR]. "God's Sun gives his life for us to live."[/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][SIZE=2]Logically, even if man himself died, as long as the Sun comes up each day, life on Earth will continue forever. Therefore, it was said in the ancient texts that everlasting life was "the gift" that the Father gives through his Sun. For..."God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten SUN that we may have life everlasting"....on Earth! [B]Not for you personally[/B] - but [COLOR=#ff9900][B]ON EARTH[/B][/COLOR]... [COLOR=#ff9900][B]everlasting life![/B][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][B]Deeper analysis of christianity brings us to light of the age of [/B][SIZE=2] [B]Pisces, if you notice the symbolism of the "fish" the "fisherman", the Popes hat is infact a large Fish shaped hat when turned to its side.[/B] [B]LOOK!!!! ITS TRUE!!!![/B] [B][URL="http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n2029.cfm"]http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n2029.cfm[/URL][/B] [/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE] The fact that jesus and his 12 [SIZE=2]disciples represent the 12 months in a year, yet these religions as i said are filled with occult (hidden) numerology and symbolism, we find that there are infact 13 months in a year, YES THATS RIGHT!!! [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]just count the days after the 28th day, and it will usually add up to 28 or 29 depending on leap year factors, the hidden month represents the SUN.[/SIZE] (I worked this out myself without research so i dont know yet if this is plausable) Yes also our language tells us the truth, pointy symbols in ancient babylonia symbolised evil and the devil, (just like a knife, lightning bolt, witches hat, just look at the way you talk... say Evil and notice the sharp voicing of this word deVil, eVil Now say, Son, Sun, God, Jesus, Yeyshua, do you see the comparison? The fact that people saw roundness and wholeness as good such as the sun and evil as sharp, it is in our language. [SIZE=2] [/SIZE] [SIZE=2][SIZE=2][B][COLOR=black]But this is only the tip of the iceburg.[/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][SIZE=2][B]I am not closed minded, [/B][/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][SIZE=2][B]I am not blinded, [/B][/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][SIZE=2][B]I am me, [/B][/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][SIZE=2][B]Therefore i am free, [/B][/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][SIZE=2][B]I am not belonging to a religion, i belong to infinite energy and endless thought. [/B][/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][SIZE=2][B][SIZE=4]I THINK THEREFORE I AM[/SIZE][/B] [/SIZE][/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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